Frontier of Defense v1.3

[Arisato]

feel free to test and kill those troops

 

[APproject]

I rate this resource by 1/5 and I recomend it to be Rejected due to these problems.

1. Why heroes has same names as other ones?
2. Hero icons does not match the model and makes no sense.
3. Hero voice also does not match it's model and makes no sense aswell.
4. Some kind of powerful creatures are clearly noticeable in the other side of cliff, I can easily attack it with my abilities, at the spot where enemy units appears.
5. Terrain and entire environment was developed awfully.
6. Items, that are being sold, lacks of proper description and hotkeys.
7. Hero abilities are missing X; Y positions, it is just randomly set in the abilities window.
8. Hero abilities are missing proper description.
9. Hero attack sound does not match the model. Does it sound good if a sword makes sound like a hammer bashes into something hard?
10. I choosed 5 Min survival and I made it by single player, did it all with one hero and when 5 minutes expired, somewhy I didn't win. It is not only a massive disbalance but an error aswell. Then why seting a timer for survival, if after timer ends, game is still on?
11. Please set enemy units to patrol instead of making them walk somewhere by force, because of this I get an advantage, enemy units do not attack me, but they stack and dont move properly.

Afterall I am surprised, how a resource can lack of so many things and contains so many mistakes after this amount of updates?

 

[Arisato]

I told you, NEVER PLAY 5 MINUTES ALONE.
i've said it in the description, if you play it ALONE, then you can NEVER win except you are very professional, and i'll make some sense in the sounds
thank you. it is NOT imbalance,

at Level 1
You will be granted a great handicap

at Level 2
even if your level is 20, it's hard to believe that you can LOSE

at level 3
even if your level is 40 , you can lose except if you play 3 people or more

at level 4
to hell if you play solo, (i mean the character will go to the hell of damage :])

i'm unhappy that you rate 1/5, almost every people rate it because of the Fun Factor and the Idea that i used basic abilities to make it look cooler than a basic ability.

stop being cocky ya know since i'm still an intermediate mapper, slow down on me
its only at version v0.5d , mind you! hhe

 

[APproject]

I told you, NEVER PLAY 5 MINUTES ALONE.
i've said it in the description, if you play it ALONE, then you can NEVER win except you are very professional, and i'll make some sense in the sounds
thank you. it is NOT imbalance,

at Level 1
You will be granted a great handicap

at Level 2
even if your level is 20, it's hard to believe that you can LOSE

at level 3
even if your level is 40 , you can lose except if you play 3 people or more

at level 4
to hell if you play solo, (i mean the character will go to the hell of damage :])

i'm unhappy that you rate 1/5, almost every people rate it because of the Fun Factor and the Idea that i used basic abilities to make it look cooler than a basic ability.

stop being cocky ya know since i'm still an intermediate mapper, slow down on me
its only at version v0.5d , mind you! hhe

You told me not to play alone? But I did and I successfully survived 5 minutes, timer was expired, but game didn't end. I survied it! Why game is still on? In description I see that all I have to do is to survive the timer, protect meself and castle. It contains a massive disbalance. Never play alone, unless I am very professional? Seems like I am way too professional according you. But I have named it already - disbalance. Afterall, I didn't ask you to tell me the system how your map works. People who rate 4 or 5 just for abilities that have changed special effects knows nothing about reviewing maps.
Being new at maps making, don't give you a right to upload low quality resources. Map had been updated dozen of times and I've seen much better resources without any update, just with first try. So please don't complain about my rating, because so far it don't deserve more than that.

 

[-Peper-]

People who rate 4 or 5 just for abilities that have changed special effects knows nothing about reviewing maps.

Okay, i'm object!
The victory conditions won't work on singleplayer, so.....
And what? No disbalance in my problem, if you playing older version, the enemies WAY TO EASY. Then, WAY TO HARD.
And now, WAY TO WHAT?
Ok, so Izanagi, you must make the level of Enemies vary with player if you don't want any complaints.

 

[Arisato]

Being new at maps making, don't give you a right to upload low quality resources. Map had been updated dozen of times and I've seen much better resources without any update, just with first try. So please don't complain about my rating, because so far it don't deserve more than that.

i totally object your words
you could say it with tones not harsh.
i'm not new at maps making, i'm just still a boy (in junior high schol)interested at english subject and warcraft III mapping also animating models
and that "don't give you a right to upload LOW quality resources."
is this map low quality... because my friends and some of the players that chatted with me says that this map rocks, just need improvements and more features.

"and this map had been updated DOZEN of times"
that is not true, and do not rate the map 1/5 because i've updated it only few times.

Okay, i'm object!
The victory conditions won't work on singleplayer, so.....
And what? No disbalance in my problem, if you playing older version, the enemies WAY TO EASY. Then, WAY TO HARD.
And now, WAY TO WHAT?
Ok, so Izanagi, you must make the level of Enemies vary with player if you don't want any complaints.

Thankyou nice idea you have there
i'll make the first waves stronger so it i'll be tough!

 

[APproject]

I see you aren't willing to improve your work. Being young boy in not an excuse too.. And yes, it is low, comparing to others it is. You obviously shouldn't leave previewing maps just for your friends, if they say its awsome - it doesn't mean it is. Maybe it is cool for your friends, but giving 4 or 5 just for an effort you pour is not right.

Only because of my preview's fifth, tenth and eleventh points you get this rate. Fix all of these and I shall preview it again, I might take a deeper look into it, but not now, when in first minutes I see what's wrong with it.

 

[Arisato]

you're not right, i need comments and such as

keep on doing it and maybe i'll make you impressed after you've seen the things i've improved after your comments and others

 

[-Peper-]

Okay, chill down your guys. Don't make this to a thread war.....
APproject
First, He is right, he improved this since ver 2.0. Even he do daily updates.
Second, you're right. I agree the terrain is bad, trigger is bad, or the others.
Why? Because he work alone. Izanagi, i suggest get a team.

 

[Arisato]

i agree, i do not want this thread to be a war thread

my triggers are normal and works perfectly fine(but it is bad)
Terrain is bad but i didn't make the terrain, my friend Briegxal in the indonesian community made it
.

PS:
i'm going to release v0.6 with balance and general improvements

PSS:
-Peper-
you are an indonesian right? (don't bother opening the site since it has been shutted down

 

[-Peper-]

Okay, haha. Waiting your updates.

 

[Arisato]

yeah it will be updated probably in an hour when i get home from here (hehe)

 

[Zealon]

Ok sorry I took so long.

Firstly, thanks for crediting me *blush* +rep

*bugs and stuff*

-now I like the whole general idea, but it seems like somthings missing. There needs to be somthing else; more ideas about what he does.
-I forgot about those boots of speed, now to save people the trouble of picking them up and then selling the ones they don't need. You need to make it that every hero has boots of speed as a starting item already in their inventory. Or just give players starting money to buy it from a store.
-when I go to those two enemy heros, I can just kill them both in the begining with a shockwave ability or somthing.
-the currant items don't help that much, I recommend that you make another set of items that increase your total health and mana, and another set of items that increase your health regeneration and mana regeneration.
-when you pick your hero or respawn, its hard to tell where they are at first, or if they have respawed you don't know until you read the message. Make it that the camera takes you to the spot, and select the hero for you. It gives the game a better feeling of gameplay, and makes things easier
-some hero abilities are much more powerful then others, and some abilities are not set properly in X and Y positions.
-with some heros, when you learn an ability, it has an icon, but when you look at that ability once you've learned it. It has a different icon?

And thats all for now.

These bugs are just small problems that can be easily fixed, nothing major. But the mods can also be quite strict so fixing them could possibly be the difference between REJECTION and APPROVAL

You did a good job fixing those balencing issues with the units, exept at the begining, its just a little too easy
I'm not giving my vote just yet, I'll first wait for your next update ;D

 

[Arisato]

i'll fix those immediately

and thanks +rep

the icon stuff is light bringer's right?

i'll do it now


UPDATE:

okay then let's start...


YES YES YES YES
updated

thankyou for being patient and please test, the general should work fine, the icons should work fine, the sound effects will work fine, the boots of speed will be given after selecting a hero..

EDIT2:

Zealon, can you tell me what does X and Y of the abilities icons means?
i can't make it, since i do not know how to set it properly..

 

[-Peper-]

X And Y are the Coordinates of ablities place.
Example coordinate X=1 and y=1 will place the ability in bottom left (I think)
And you updated it! Rep+

 

[Zealon]

Zealon, can you tell me what does X and Y of the abilities icons means?
i can't make it, since i do not know how to set it properly..

There are some very skilled people on THW. You should quickly make a thread on the World editor help section. And ask them to explain the method to you, I'm not too good with explaining.

and thanks +rep

Lulz, you forgot to

updated

awesome I will test it.

 

[Arisato]

thank you for commenting


if you can make a tutorial for me.. + rep on the way

 

[-Peper-]

For what?

 

[Darkzealot_128]

Remove all peasant abilitys from the hero chooser as I asked you to before, make more items and weapons, and maybe change the models of your warcraft 3 heros to normal warcraft 3 models because they all look completely different. And lastly, get a better loading screen image, the current one looks ugly.

 

[APproject]

Okay, chill down your guys. Don't make this to a thread war.....
APproject
First, He is right, he improved this since ver 2.0. Even he do daily updates.
Second, you're right. I agree the terrain is bad, trigger is bad, or the others.
Why? Because he work alone. Izanagi, i suggest get a team.

I said that he is not willing to improve only because all he did was complaining about my prieview. Working alone is not a major problem that might cause plenty of mistakes, working alone is the same, but slower, way to create your map. Of course if he needs help, go ahead, I have nothing against it. So far I don't care, he has someone in the team or not, I look straight to the map.
I see map is being updated, I raise my rating from 1/5 to 2/5.

 

[Arisato]

For what?

for X Y icon places

and can someone make a loading screen.. i can't.. since i'm not an image maker o.o


APProject:
"I said that he is not willing to improve only because all he did was complaining about my prieview. Working alone is not a major problem that might cause plenty of mistakes, working alone is the same, but slower, way to create your map. Of course if he needs help, go ahead, I have nothing against it. So far I don't care, he has someone in the team or not, I look straight to the map.
I see map is being updated, I raise my rating from 1/5 to 2/5."

i complained because some of your comments are false
thankyou for raising but i think i'll make you raise more

 

[-Peper-]

I can, or ask Dragonson.
What image you want to be the cover?
And effects.
NB: Mod (maybe) leaves this unreviewed because this map can still improved.

 

[Zealon]

and can someone make a loading screen.. i can't.. since i'm not an image maker o.o

sorry I can't do any of that stuff either

Anyway I tested the latest version, about this and the previous update, Its great how you've fixed alot of the problems with the heros, the global exp factor, and the enemy heros that were killable, so thats good ^^

*bugs*

-ok theres a big problem with the respawning, whenever you die or your general dies, the medical expences takes away all your money.
-another problem I forgot to mention last time, is that the enemies give you to much money, by the time I was lvl 50 and I've already had all the best items for some time, my total gold was somthing like 60000; with nothing left to buy D:
-a feature that might make the game a little more interesting, is either custom music, or music from the other warcraft 3 races, I just find the human music so boring
-the only way for me to lose is when the commander dies, which happens alot. Could I suggest that you change the victory conditions to make it that he can die without you losing. Make it that every few seconds a small force of your soldiers spawn and and attack move toward the enemies, and when your commander dies, the soldiers stop spawning. That way you will only lose when your fortress is destroyed. And when your commander dies you have pretty much lost, anyway. So that idea might work.
-another idea is that you could make a mercinary camp so that you can hire stuff to fight for you, just because there is nothing much to do with your money when you have all the items.
-a huge problem is that the enemies get stuck, they gather by the river and block the whole path. And when you finally kill all the units that are blocking the path, the other path starts to bock up, maybe just make the paths over the river bigger? coz thats where the blocking starts.

There is still alot of improvment though; I hope you continue work on this, and I look forward to the next upate, good job

 

[Arisato]

thx.. peper and Zealon, and peper, the image is like heroes are striking a mass number of troops
make the heroes the same as in the map and the mass number of troops are all of the races in the map , if you can make it thankyou then

mercenary camp .. okay..

then 1 unit will give 10 gold!
medical expenses takes ALL gold??!?!

the commander dies and we lose
isn't that a must?

i'll update it..

 

[Zealon]

the commander dies and we lose
isn't that a must?

Well, like I said, you'll pretty much lose anyway because you're survival will almost depend on your troops. And when your commander dies, troops stop coming

then 1 unit will give 10 gold!

that will work nicely

medical expenses takes ALL gold??!?!

yeah its a strange bug....

mercenary camp .. okay..

Awesome

i'll update it..

I can't wait

 

[Arisato]

eh i think 20 gold each creep, since i will be adding a tome system

mercenary camp will be added though. if the commander dies, , the mercenary camp can't do anything

 

[Zealon]

Yeah good idea.

 

[Arisato]

eh i think when the frontier leader dies, it will respawn , but after the boss fight it will never respawn anymore(the last boss fight!)


EDIT:

here goes...

UPDATED

YES YES YES YES YES YES

someone try it and give me feedbacks about the new things..!

 

[-Peper-]

Your loading screen is ready, but it don't have any background.
Can you give me a pic for background so they look like bashing in battlefield?

 

[SetaSouji]

whoa this map progressed REALLY fast

Izanagi
i'll give 5/5 )))) since this is one of my best co-operated work with you

 

[Arisato]

thanks Seta, come to my house tomorrow
and -Peper- i think the loading screen will be used in V0.6c/v0.7, since it will look BASHFUL right?!!?

and a wall paper.. i dunno just make it the theme like a war feeling

 

[-Peper-]

Huff, can't upload a single things right now...
But, i tell you. the pic is the heroes surrounded/circling/bashing the enemies, with seta attacking, dark knight using his gaia flare or what, lightbringer jumping, yosuke raising his arm calling persona, etc.

 

[Arisato]

CAn'T WAIT TO USE IT ))))))))))))))))))))


Gimme that now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zealon]

A very nice minimap preview

I'll try out out the map, later today.

 

[Arisato]

thanks , ill be waiting ) for the reviews

 

[Zealon]

I've just finnished testing. I have to say, this map has gone through an amazing amout of improvments. There are still a couple of small suff you could improve, but seriously, exellent job with the fixes. I can't give you my full review yet, because I need to sleep now, But I'm giving this a rating of 3/5

VOTING FOR APPROVAL

 

[Arisato]

thank you ))

for approval voting and good nighty )

its sad from 4/5 to 3/5 but voting for approval makes me happier )))))))

duhhhhhh duuh dududuh waiting -peper-'s loading screen

 

[Arisato]

Bump

 

[-Peper-]

Fuck, the quota has been refilled. But somewhat the signal is 0, stupid smart modem.... I dunno why... Sorry Izanagi...

 

[Arisato]

I'm opening my a group so...

if you want to join here!

Frontier of Defense group

 

[Zealon]

*Zealon's bug report*

-I just notised that the (forgot his name) dosn't have a texture. I thought that it was supposed to be like that until I saw your screenshot of him in the discription.
-the mercinary camp works really well with this type of gamplay, the only problem is that at the momment, soldiers cost too little and you can buy yourself an army in the first couple minutes of the game.
-the enemies are slightly too easy, they have very little health and can be killed in one hit.
-the bosses are killed in just a few seconds because some of the hero abilities are way too powerful. In that WH40k map I showed you, the bosses are really challenging because they kill you in 7 hits. They have sooo much health, yet since they have no HP regeneration so they are still killable. So basicly, the bosses just need some suping up.
-the discriptions needs fixing, in the icons and stuff.
-when you choose a hero, it dosn't bring your camera to the hero; which is kinda annoying. but it does move the camera when your hero respawns so thats good
-the fountains heal you too fast.
-the timer at the top of the screen says: Level 4 reinforc... For people new to the game, it might sound like its a good thing, like reinforcments for your troops. So you could change it to somthing like this: Level 4 enemies... or this: Wave Level 4... But you don't have to change it, its not really essential.

Sorry for all the new bugs, I try to bring all the problems one at a time; so its not too overwhelming

And the amount of cash you get for every kill is perfect, nice fix
I'll raise my vote, when some of the mentioned problems are fixed, sorry 3/5

VOTING FOR APPROVAL

 

[-Peper-]

The elven knight, if i don't wrong.

 

[Arisato]

YES , now i can stil get rockin!

Zealon, i'm happy that you found BUGS )))) i can do more stuffs now!!

 

[Zealon]

Glad I could help

 

[-Peper-]

Woops, this is the Loading Screen i promised.
Btw i remade it because all my data erased......
Tell me if you want remake.

 

[Arisato]

Peper, can you make me a better one???

its very good indeed, but make the text some where ,where it could not annoy the image ^^
make those enemies spreaded around the heroes and the heroes are bashing them! , Yosuke summoning persona and light bringer bashing them! and the Shadow knight bursting poisonouse venoms, and the mage and elf warrior is using spells on them

it will be VERY cool if you can , its okay now, but make it more detail

 

[-Peper-]

Okay, i suggest we change it to better version on v1.0 ^^.

 

[Arisato]

?? i mean the loading screen..?

 

[-Peper-]

Yeah....
I mean we change the loading screen on ver 1.0.

 

[Arisato]

UPDATED, SEE CHANGES @.@

Now there is more fun in the game