Necrotic Beam Ver. Knavish Kookaburra

[Vinz]

I adore Vel'Koz and this spell. Good work!

 

[Devalut]

Thanks! I'm so pleased you like it!

 

[Yours Truly]

haha

 

[Devalut]

haha

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I'll take a whack at it, doubt I can recreate the walking backwards part unfortunately.

Edit: took a shot at it.
Twisted Barricade | HIVE

 

[Yours Truly]

I'll take a whack at it, doubt I can recreate the walking backwards part unfortunately.

Edit: took a shot at it.
Twisted Barricade | HIVE

Oh you didn't have to. (It was an inside joke of how Pantheon's E can fully negate Vel'koz's ult)

 

[Devalut]

Oh you didn't have to. (It was an inside joke of how Pantheon's E can fully negate Vel'koz's ult)

It was a fun exercise that helped me find bugs in my Necrotic beam and learn more about cone checking!
Suggest more shit dammit!

 

[Pyrogasm]

Suggest more shit dammit!

There are a boatload of unfinished ideas in this thread: The Spell Request Thread (Now with vJASS!) - Wc3C.net

 

[Devalut]

@Pyrogasm
Love the fish avatar!
Also security warning?

 

[Pyrogasm]

It's because Vexorian modified the site vB code years ago and google sees it as a security risk. Nothing wrong with the site.

 

[Devalut]

Thought as much, and now I'm cringing at the era of "Naruto" requests, This is all your fault Pyrogasm.

 

[Wrda]

Additional Mention: Dragged me kicking and screaming into the wonderful world of JASS & Lua.

I see that autistic tenacity is something you got from trying not to get killed by these two languages.
Apart from that, the spell looks dope.
I see everything but JASS in there if you know what I mean, custom scripts don't count
The JASS tag is confusing xd

 

[Bain_Rebirth]

I love the spell! The only issue I can find is that at Level 3 it is unable to be redirected with the mouse.

 

[Devalut]

@Wrda
I use the Mouse Util Snippet by @MyPad, I didn't know if I needed to still categorize it as GUI, to be safe, I'll leave it as is until i'm informed otherwise.

@Majistey
Excellent eye, fixed!

 

[IcemanBo]

A cool spell.

• Maybe one static dummy unit can be used instead of creating one per cast: Single Target Spell for Multiple Units
• You might consider using Line Segment Enumeration .v2.1a to outsource math logics
• Level of the ability when casted should be indexed, too, as it's relevant for dealing demage etc. The power/behaviour of spell could change in middle, if level of the ability gets changed somehow for the unit.
• OwnerOfCaster could be indexed to reduce repetitive function calls in loop.
• Level configs could just start at "1", it's bit more intuitive imo, and all the -1 calculations would not be needed in cast trigger.
  
• Some more temp variables would improve readability a bit and might be even a bit more performant. For example "((Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Index]) - 1)]" is used often in cast trigger or "PickedUnit/LastCreatedUnit/LastCreatedSpecialEffect" in loop trigger.

 

[Devalut]

@IcemanBo
Excellent suggestions, I will get started asap!

Edit:
>Level of the ability when casted should be indexed, too, as it's relevant for dealing demage etc. The power/behaviour of spell could change in middle, if level of the ability gets changed somehow for the unit.
Skipping this since all the stats are calculated at cast

Edit2: Changes made, thanks @IcemanBo!
(let me know if I butchered something ham-handed like...)

 

[IcemanBo]

There are two lines computing the ability level anew during a loop run:

Set EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] = (EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] + EyBe_Config_Speed[(Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Loop])]
Set EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] = (EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] - EyBe_Config_Speed[(Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Loop])])​

that's why maybe the level can be indexed, so it stays stable for one instance.

There's now not one dummy per cast, but it's probably even possible to use only one dummy caster for all instances and for all casts. One dummy that is never removed, but just fields, or owner of dummy (player) is adapted to match one instance's needs.

Btw, I'm not really sure yet , but I feel maybe those lines in loop might be shortened, at the comment with "err Mathematics" and the many if-then-else statements, where sometimes 360° is added.. what do they do?

 

[Pyrogasm]

at the comment with "err Mathematics" and the many if-then-else statements, where sometimes 360° is added.. what do they do?

It's a sequence of angle operations to determine if the caster needs to turn right or left to most quickly face in the direction of the mouse cursor. A couple angles have to be in the -180 to 180 range so you can't just modulo them. The last two ifs could be combined, though, because the edge case where the angle is exactly 0 is unlikely ever to occur:

• If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions
  • If - Conditions
    • EyBe_Real[0] Greater than or equal to 0.00
  • Then - Actions
    • Set EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] = (EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] + EyBe_Config_Speed[(Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Loop])])
  • Else - Actions
    • Set EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] = (EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] - EyBe_Config_Speed[(Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Loop])])

 

[IcemanBo]

The caster just needs to face mouse x/y, I'm not sure I understand.

 

[Devalut]

@IcemanBo
>There are two lines computing the ability level anew during a loop run:

>Set EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] = (EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] + EyBe_Config_Speed[(Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Loop])]
>Set EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] = (EyBe_UnitC_Angle[EyBe_Loop] - EyBe_Config_Speed[(Level of EyBe_Config_Ability[0] for EyBe_Caster[EyBe_Loop])])

>that's why maybe the level can be indexed, so it stays stable for one instance.
A little extra speed is perfectly fine if it means one less variable

>There's now not one dummy per cast, but it's probably even possible to use only one dummy caster for all instances and for all casts. One dummy that is never removed, but just fields, or owner of dummy (player) is adapted to match one instance's needs.
Ah, that does sound interesting, I'll try and get that done.

>Btw, I'm not really sure yet , but I feel maybe those lines in loop might be shortened, at the comment with "err Mathematics" and the many if-then-else statements, where sometimes 360° is added.. what do they do?
As Pyrogasm says, at my early versions the beam could not do a full rotation without doing some divination by entra- err, mathematics.

@Pyrogasm
>It's a sequence of angle operations to determine if the caster needs to turn right or left to most quickly face in the direction of the mouse cursor. A couple angles have to be in the -180 to 180 range so you can't just modulo them. The last two ifs could be combined, though, because the edge case where the angle is exactly 0 is unlikely ever to occur:
Right, I'll get started

Thank you both for your help!

Edit:
@IcemanBo
On the subject of one dummy, assuming I create a single dummy via the config, what about multiple instances, is it just changing the owner each time, or keeping it neutral, and in that case am I needing to grant visibility modifiers for neutral passive so the dummy can see the target to cast?

 

[IcemanBo]

Changing owner should be fine during cast usage, and neutral passive is maybe a good default state. : )

 

[Devalut]

@IcemanBo
What about simply keeping it as neutral passive?
My worry is visibility, if the dummy can't see the target it won't cast it, but if I give it vision radius it will grant vision to the caster for greater a distance than the spell accounts for, while keeping it neutral and giving it a modest vision radius will allow it to cast and avoid giving the player and further advantage.
Do you agree?

 

[Pyrogasm]

I’ve always set my dummy sight radius to 0 and changed its owner before casting. I am unaware of a situation this wouldn’t work; afaik you can order with triggers a unit to do something to a unit its owner can’t see.

 

[IcemanBo]

I think Pyro is correct.

About changing owner.. in this specific case maybe it doesn't matter much I'm not sure. But in general I believe it's better if the dummy gets the owner of casting unit during acting, as maybe when the dummy kills or damaging a unit. Some other user triggers can react more correctly, when they know the owner of cast/damage source instead of only knowing passive player.

 

[Devalut]

@IcemanBo, damage is credited to caster, debuff is sourced to dummy.

 

[IcemanBo]

I was just thinking in what case it could make much sense to change owner of a dummy.

 

[Devalut]

@IcemanBo
ah, my mistake.

@Pyrogasm
You're right vision doesn't matter!

 

[xorkatoss]

ahh very nice system! extra points for being GUI too

I didn't read all of the code but after a quick look everything seems to be fine.


Not sure if this has been mentioned before:
A small detail, when checking for mouse X/Y if the mouse is on the UI then it returns 0.00 values.

When that happens the beam is always redirected to that point:

Spoiler: Image

An easy fix would be to just check if mouse x/y is 0.00 and then don't move the beam.

 

[Devalut]

Ah, excellent I'll fix that asap, thank you for the heads up!
Edit: Thank you for the rating!

 

[Deathslip]

Hey Devalut, first off insanely amazing spell, you honestly killed it. Secondly, I'd like to know if there is a way to make this deal the damage it does, but also heal the caster for said damage at the same time? Kind of like a pseudo "Life Steal" of sorts.

 

[Devalut]

Yep, head to the Perioidic portion of the trigger:

 

[Deathslip]

Yep, head to the Perioidic portion of the trigger:
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Thank you so much!!!

 

[P3in]

@Devalut , hello, do you know how can i add some lifesteal to this? by lifesteal i mean to heal himself for like 10x spell level per second or something like that, to not be an instant heal but per second, i want to use this for ilidan's eye beam, i run a hero def type of map where i make classes from wow and some that are just ideas and now i am making the demon hunter class and the 2 specs and one custom third spec.(Havoc,Vengeance,Tormentor)
And if you have an earlier version of the spell? As 1.28.5 can't open this..

 

[Devalut]

@P3in
Pretty much the same as the screenshot a few posts up above.

Finally since the damage occurs 4 times a second (based on the tick rate (default 0.25)) you can multiply the heal amount by the tick rate:

Then place it snuggly near where damage is dealt:

 

[P3in]

Thanks a lot mate ! If you have an earlier version of the spell that works on 1.28.5 that would be great too,this one crashes on 1.28.5 and can't open..

 

[Devalut]

@P3in

 

[P3in]

@P3in

))ok,thanks anyway ! i will do the spell i wanted as a shockwave type and that's it

 

[Dreamshock]

I love it dude and its easy to implement in any hero map. I am glad that you have the steps nessecary on how to implement the spell. Cheers!

 

[Phuqinhell]

Hello, first i would like to say that this is a very cool spell =)

However, i got a problem, i followed the instructions to implement this to my map step by step and everything seems to be functioning properly except one thing
And that thing is the lightning effect, it disappears right away and does not last as long as it should, but the damage and duration and everything else is working just fine

What could be the cause?
Would like to get this to work since its such a fantastic spell =)

 

[Dreamshock]

Hello, first i would like to say that this is a very cool spell =)

However, i got a problem, i followed the instructions to implement this to my map step by step and everything seems to be functioning properly except one thing
And that thing is the lightning effect, it disappears right away and does not last as long as it should, but the damage and duration and everything else is working just fine

What could be the cause?
Would like to get this to work since its such a fantastic spell =)

I personally have no idea, i just followed the steps Delavut has mentioned on how to implement the skill and so i did follow them and so i managed to successfully implement the spell in my map. Enable variables, make sure you coppy dummies, spell in obj editor, copy triggers and then look at the triggers if they are the same as the delavut's map, usually when i coppy trigger from some other map for custom spell, there are certain triggers that do not get copied the same way such as "condition: spell being cast equal to "xxx"" so you have to change that to match.

 

[Phuqinhell]

I personally have no idea, i just followed the steps Delavut has mentioned on how to implement the skill and so i did follow them and so i managed to successfully implement the spell in my map. Enable variables, make sure you coppy dummies, spell in obj editor, copy triggers and then look at the triggers if they are the same as the delavut's map, usually when i coppy trigger from some other map for custom spell, there are certain triggers that do not get copied the same way such as "condition: spell being cast equal to "xxx"" so you have to change that to match.

Yeah i have obviously missed something or else it would work, but theres so much code it would take forever to compare everything
But as i said, i followed every step and i have copied the abilitys and the dummy unit and all of those things and i have made the necessary changes in the trigger aswell

It seems like theres a change to be made that is not included in the How to guide and i'm hoping its something simple, do you maybe remember if you had to change something that was not included in the guide? Because it feels wierd if some can implement it with the guide and some others cant :S

 

[Dreamshock]

Yeah i have obviously missed something or else it would work, but theres so much code it would take forever to compare everything
But as i said, i followed every step and i have copied the abilitys and the dummy unit and all of those things and i have made the necessary changes in the trigger aswell

It seems like theres a change to be made that is not included in the How to guide and i'm hoping its something simple, do you maybe remember if you had to change something that was not included in the guide? Because it feels wierd if some can implement it with the guide and some others cant :S

I am pretty sure that i changed few things that werent correct when i looked upon both original and the coppied triggers however i cannot remember which ones because it was 2 months ago. As i said it usually is the condition, atleast for me always when i try to import some custom spell, the triggers that are RELATED to the object editor spell, dummy and etc are always incorrect so you have to replace them with the correct ones.

 

[Devalut]

Hello, first i would like to say that this is a very cool spell =)

However, i got a problem, i followed the instructions to implement this to my map step by step and everything seems to be functioning properly except one thing
And that thing is the lightning effect, it disappears right away and does not last as long as it should, but the damage and duration and everything else is working just fine

What could be the cause?
Would like to get this to work since its such a fantastic spell =)

Is it working in the test map when you test it?

Try putting in the units, buff, spell, and then the required resources (I.e. Mypad's Mouse Util & Icemanbo's line enumeration) first and then adding in the Necrotic Trigger folder.
Also ensure Instruction #1 is done.

 

[Phuqinhell]

Is it working in the test map when you test it?

Try putting in the units, buff, spell, and then the required resources (I.e. Mypad's Mouse Util & Icemanbo's line enumeration) first and then adding in the Necrotic Trigger folder.
Also ensure Instruction #1 is done.

Yes it is working in the test map but i have unfortunately not found an explanation to why only the lightning effects malfuntions after i have imported everything into my map, i'll probably circle back to this later at some point and try again

And yes, Instruction #1 is done aswell

Otherwise, fantastic spell =)

 

[Devalut]

Yes it is working in the test map but i have unfortunately not found an explanation to why only the lightning effects malfuntions after i have imported everything into my map, i'll probably circle back to this later at some point and try again

And yes, Instruction #1 is done aswell

Otherwise, fantastic spell =)

I'm still sorry to hear that it is not working for you.
Once you have time try my suggestion from my previous post.

 

[Gnuoy]

It's summoning a guard tower at the end of the beam. Not sure what I did wrong.

 

[Devalut]

It's summoning a guard tower at the end of the beam. Not sure what I did wrong.

Ensure this line matches:

 

[Gnuoy]

thank you for the quick reply and for creating this spell btw.

it seems that line is matching. hmm.

 

[Devalut]

thank you for the quick reply and for creating this spell btw.

it seems that line is matching. hmm.

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Hmmm, is the guard tower a special effect or a full blown unit?
Secondly what was the order in which you imported? (i.e. did you copy over the"NecroticBeam" folder or the "Required"folder?
I want to try and recreate this bug.

If all else fails you can send me your map file via private message so I can look at it internally.

 

[Gnuoy]

it creates a full blown unit and moves that unit around. if i attack it, it recreates it at same hp. if i kill it then it doesn't respawn.

I copied it in the same order as the install guide. I hate to trouble you but if you want to look at the map here it is, the trigger is under folder Extra -> Imported Spells -> Necrotic Beam: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-GmrLH2xgdzY_QrGTNeVIhZ7zR2yKw0O/view?usp=sharing