Modelling Contest #28 - Wizards - Poll

[Direfury]

Or we can upload the models, where people can just use the on-site viewer.

 

[Hantoo]

Or a show thread with screenshot of each angle and gif for animation for each model wheeejust kidding, it will be too much work for that

 

[-Grendel]

It might be retarded but its the truth. Its what most of the voters do when they vote , they look for what looks good. Thats for most of the voters. Just look at Freddyk, Hayate and PROXY's entry, in game and screenshots of various angles. Its just a matter of choosing for the voters what looks good for them. They pretty much did the voters a favor, save time. Now what could've been done was putting a link to your uploaded entry, direfury. pretty much what i did so the site viewer was used. Again thats just my point here, attacking the dude who said he aint gonna waste time checking a model is uncalled for. He's actually making a valid point.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Aw criminy, the poll's closed!? I should've paid better attention. I really meant to get a solid vote in there, but... alas. Sorry gaiz.

 

[Deathcom3s]

While I can't speak for the rest of the staff, I can say that we are examining and evaluating the current procedures for contest.

One of the ideas being thrown around is to require all submissions to be uploaded, so that voters can use the site's model viewer, which would hopefully mitigate the contention and issues on display here (which are perfectly justified in my opinion; there needs to be a better, more consistent method).

So, we're aware of it, and we're talking about it.

 

[Hantoo]

While I can't speak for the rest of the staff, I can say that we are examining and evaluating the current procedures for contest.

One of the ideas being thrown around is to require all submissions to be uploaded, so that voters can use the site's model viewer, which would hopefully mitigate the contention and issues on display here (which are perfectly justified in my opinion; there needs to be a better, more consistent method).

So, we're aware of it, and we're talking about it.

That is a Very Good Idea, But should Point out that the Model Viewer are sometimes buggy.. (Even Magos also doesnt work well with some of the content in model such as ribbon)
I know there is a map in hive around that is use to display model, which is ingame=How it should be ingame
Animation Viewer Map
But then if use that it would be hard to check some of the details.

Theres Pros and Cons for different ways to check the model :V

 

[PROXY]

People should not use the "new" model viewer. I always use the old one thats still implented in the site - bugs that happen in the new nearly never appear in the old one (aside from the many more features you have)

 

[The_Silent]

Theres Pros and Cons for different ways to check the model :V

Contestants could upload test maps displaying their models animations / capabilities.

 

[HappyCockroach]

too late to vote :|

was in doubt for too long. many interesting entries, but each with its faults...

People should not use the "new" model viewer. I always use the old one thats still implented in the site - bugs that happen in the new nearly never appear in the old one (aside from the many more features you have)

this. the new viewer screws up almost every model, in some aspect. if that's to be implemented, use the old viewer.

i remember that in some of the past competitions, contest hosts would put up those test maps with every entry in it already configured, so it wasn't a pain in the ass to the voters to test models in-game.

 

[Kyrbi0]

This issue has existed since the beginning with these Contests; nay, since the beginning of recorded history. That's because it's not an issue of "models" and "animations", but an issue of "perspective" and "human nature".

How does one defeat the natural human inclinations of 'doing as little work as possible' and the importance of visuals? People naturally want to do as little work as possible, and people naturally care more about/are swayed by FANCY GRAFIX over almost everything else.

• Does the onus lie on the Contest Host/Moderator; putting all the models into a test-map (Note: I've actually done that... It's not easy to do it right. Quite onerous), or to organize the Contest Thread with pictures & links & such (also a burden)?
• Or perhaps with the contestants; to upload their models to the site (ruining the element of equity by giving them moderator insight pre-Judging // having a buggy Viewer to see the model by)? Or to prepare their model's screenshot in a pleasing way (unfairly benefiting those with artistic skills & time)?
• Or perhaps with the voters themselves; the most likely & unlikely choice. Likely because we want to expect the best out of people, and unlikely because... well, ever heard the phrase "like herding cats"? Do we force them to download models themselves with no images or test maps, which will weed out the "lazy voters" and ensure people actually, physically test the model in it's entirety (yet weeding out perhaps too many so there *are* no voters?).
  
  This is the crux of "getting people to act outside their natures"; unless we mandate it (which raises the issues of enforcement), people will take the easiest method & do the least work.

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For the record, I'm torn between wanting to encourage votes (i.e. make it easy for the voter, i.e. test map) and encourage good, thoughtful votes (i.e. make it hard for the voter; make them work for their vote. Provide models with no images & force voters to try them out in-game or in-viewer). Generally, while a test-map is neat, it's a lot of work, and I vacillate between "include images" and "don't". Alternatively is requiring voters to Post in the Thread with a "Reason" for their Vote, so "lazy" voters don't get in/counted. But again, "work for the Mod" vs. "work for the Voters"...

*sight* Not sure what the right answer is... If there even is one.

 

[HappyCockroach]

We're waiting on the judges, right?

In case any judge is too busy and wants to give up on it, I can help with the judging, I didn't vote, nor expressed preference to any of the entries, so I'm still impartial
and I have some freetime this week and next to do so.

 

[Deolrin]

Yeap. Waiting for the General.

 

[-Grendel]

any news?

 

[fladdermasken]

This has been going on for too long. If a judge can't deliver in a long time, pass the ball and ask somebody else.

I would accept HappyCockroach's offer to do it, and just wrap this up next week.

Rapido. Rapido. Rapido.

 

[General Frank]

I'll pass.

 

[HappyCockroach]

alright then. I'll start judging the models, expect results in a week, since I have more freetime by the weekend, usually.

 

[Deolrin]

Hold on. Frank has resumed judging. The results should be here within a week or so.
If you insist though, there's nothing wrong with having 3 judges.

 

[fladdermasken]

Cover your bases. If both do it, you have three judges. If one of them can't follow through, you can still wrap this up.

Just make sure you don't sit on something for too long if you don't have to. If you have two complete judgings by the end of the week, I recommend that you run with it.

 

[Hantoo]

Poke poke... Any news?

 

[HappyCockroach]

I already started to judge the entries, so I'll finish. Probably until tomorrow I'll be done.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Hey guys, double-posting for a good reason :3

My judging is finished, sent it to Deolrin already.

 

[Misha]

Fancy

 

[-Grendel]

Can we just get this done already?

 

[General Frank]

Can we just get this done already?

You might want to reconsider your impatience and think about that most people (including myself) have jobs and a social life outside the Hive and really do not have the liberty to spend the little free time we have go willy-nilly flamboyant and question other people.

 

[Hantoo]

You might want to reconsider your impatience and think about that most people (including myself) have jobs and a social life outside the Hive and really do not have the liberty to spend the little free time we have go willy-nilly flamboyant and question other people.

Well... I know, But it is indeed already very long.....

but... Anyway..... I guess is just waiting for deolrin? Or is still waiting for General?
I mean, Already have 2 judge sent right? of course, I wouldn't mind waiting for a little longer, just ya know? Askin

 

[-Grendel]

You might want to reconsider your impatience and think about that most people (including myself) have jobs and a social life outside the Hive and really do not have the liberty to spend the little free time we have go willy-nilly flamboyant and question other people.

then don't judge another contest if you can't finish the judging in time.

 

[Misha]

stop being impatient, people.. I as one of the judges, and a model moderator, have the power to close the contest and disqualify you all

I am sorry, but we all know these contests get really long, because we all have our own things that go over the hive.. so please be patient.. >_>

I'm reporting this..

 

[Celaquil]

then don't judge another contest if you can't finish the judging in time.

That's plain disrespectful and completely uncalled for, Grendel.

Do consider that General Frank and Misha are doing this out of their good will
so that you and the other contestants actually have a contest to be part of, they
don't get paid for it and they rarely get the appreciation they should get.

Get off your high horse and calm all the way down, this is the first and only
warning you're going to get in the matter.

 

[HappyCockroach]

To everyone who's anxious to see the next contest going on...

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/contest-submission-233/modeling-contest-29-themes-276190/

It is of no use to pressure the judging if we still don't know what will be the next contest. So, collaborate with it at that thread.

Spoiler

GO GO SQUAD AS THE NEXT THEME!!11

 

[Deolrin]

Alright, I've calculated the results, but there was a slight problem with the judging. I've notified the involved parties, and after that's corrected we can finally announce the results.

 

[Misha]

I hope now everything IS settled... <.<