Missile War v0.67

[Moderator]

21:17, 7th Oct 2015
StoPCampinGn00b: Rating bumped from three to four. It's a quality classic and the user ratings shows how favorable this decision would be. Enjoy

12:04, 12th Sep 2009
PurplePoot: Bumping to hopefully unlock the topic.

 

[onix_noob]

very interesting and nice maps i like it very much
(triggers are interesting to me for first ime see somthing like this)

 

[hookah]

I hoped Exilus will continue this map. However u did a very a great job too

 

[DrazharLn]

You have not mentioned in your description that the map is protected. You should do that
I really liked Ship War [which is what this is more similar to] and I'll try this game in a sec

EDIT: first impressions: please redo the terrain, building on the mud tiles just looks wrong for a ship. You can change build-on properties in object editor so that you can put down a nicer tileset.
I like the timed nature of upgrades etc, and the various extra towers seemed useful.
8/10

 

[TKF]

ty, btw I talked to exilus yesterday, and I've sent him a copy of this map.


But I have totally forgot the terrain and focused on other things. I will change the mud terrain in next version.

 

[Exilus]

i considered ship war 0.16 as final version. But you've done a real great job. Thank you. Please don't forget to protect it, i dont want too many remix like life-of-a-peasant.

 

[TKF]

btw, the triggers is more or less the same as original. Many projectiles in movement makes the game lagg.

 

[DrazharLn]

@ Exilus It is protected, I couldn't open it anyway [though I was using WEU]
I've played the map with a friend now [before it was just singleplayer] and it was great fun. I did try and make a new version of Ship War with a friend a while ago, but It was indefinately suspended a while ago...
I digress [again].
Great map, I'm sure I'll play this many, many more times to come.

Draz

 

[TKF]

There is many who doesn't like the death spores missiles which creates chaos. It may ruin the game. In the 0.38, I'm going to add additional gameleader commands, such as -nodeathspore so make a death spore free game.

Also
-highincome (Double gold income; ideal for 3v3/4v4 or more, since gold income usually is very strained)
and
-rush (Lifting all time restrictions on all structures; except novalith cannon)

So far only 3 commands...

 

[~Void~]

It's pretty good.

 

[hookah]

deathspores are fun and easy to defend it if u know how

 

[TKF]

deathspores are fun and easy to defend it if u know how

Well, not everyone think so. I hosted many games and have experienced downsides with that. They say I have ruined the game and often leaves when they get owned by death spores and parasites. Parasites does also feed on enemies energy generator as well as destroying the ship from inside. And if you leave the parasites alone for a while, they evolve into Spore Beasts which is hard to kill.

Often there are players who play my version first time and really hate the deathspores. That's one of the reasons why I'm adding gameleader commands, so it's possible to play a game without deathspores. Also to make the game more appealing to different group of people who dislikes different aspects of the game.

I got feedback on time restrictions, so I add -rush command

Also many does only play 2v2 on this map for income reasons, so -highincome command will make 3v3/4v4/5v5 games more attractive. In high income mode, it's barely possible for 2 players to empty both energy generators with just 6 harvesters each at start.

Also, I think I might add a -bounty command, so you get some gold if your missile kills structures.


But all these commands are by default disabled, unless gamleader; Player 2 (Blue) types them ingame within 2 minutes.

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As for the game, I haven't found more ingame bugs. If you find bugs, please post it here.

Same goes for feedback about everything ingame. For example I got feedback from 1 player cuz the shield wave was too imba, so I nerfed it not long ago. So I need feedback to rebalance features ingame.

Edit_

Version update: I've now added additional commands.

 

[hookah]

-nodeathspore dont works, at least with -highincome and -rush.

 

[Ash]

I started playing this map pretty randomly, I picked it because it's supposed to be like blizzards bomber command, and yeah, I guess it is.

The map is highly lacking in the visual department, I don't think any doodads have been used at all. You could at least spend some time making the scene prettier. On top of that, the variation of buildings is little to none existent. At the beginning you can build a base, gold increaser and an attacker. Lots of varied strategy's here then.

However it makes up for that in the game play. It's fast and frantic and, although the game drops you right in the deep end, you don't need to be uber1337 to get good at it from the beginning.

Although, it would be nice to have some sorta warning, or a 'anti rush timer', before somebody rams a rocket 5" up you backside.

With this in mind, the map is okay. It's not perfect; nothing is. If you want the map to be better then the best thing to remember is that you need a better environment, and some sort of warning at the beginning. A tutorial would be nice too, for example I can see the box in the top right yet have little to no idea what some of the things mean.

3/5

 

[TKF]

-nodeathspore dont works, at least with -highincome and -rush.

Fixed! Updated!

I started playing this map pretty randomly, I picked it because it's supposed to be like blizzards bomber command, and yeah, I guess it is.

Well, it is missiles here, and you can't use the factories waypoints to aim the missiles for you, that would be cheat. They pick their target automatically to keep the game rather random.

The map is highly lacking in the visual department, I don't think any doodads have been used at all. You could at least spend some time making the scene prettier. On top of that, the variation of buildings is little to none existent. At the beginning you can build a base, gold increaser and an attacker. Lots of varied strategy's here then. ...

That might be true. I have just improved the terrain from dirt to good looking marbles. I'll see if I add some doodads later, but I will rather not use them to consume the precious build space for late games. But it's just the terrain I've fixed so far...

...Although, it would be nice to have some sorta warning, or a 'anti rush timer', before somebody rams a rocket 5" up you backside.

The anti rush timer is currently only on 2 minutes. Maybe I extend that too 3 minutes.

With this in mind, the map is okay. It's not perfect; nothing is. If you want the map to be better then the best thing to remember is that you need a better environment, and some sort of warning at the beginning. A tutorial would be nice too, for example I can see the box in the top right yet have little to no idea what some of the things mean.

3/5

Perhaps I do something there. I gotta admit the environment is very simple.

I will also add a -tutorial command that pops up at start, so if players wanna know things, they type it. Then loads of infos comes up and tells the basics.

Tutorial

-at first, you need to build a unit producer
5 sec...
-You need to build harvesters in order to get gold at the energy generators on the sides. (map ping)
5 sec...
-You also need to build energy managers with your worker in order to increase your gold limit. Your max gold limit is shown at your wood (box).
5 sec...
-In the unit producer, you can also build armament specialists (second worker type, look like a militia). They can build various kind of buildings.
5 sec...
-You can choose to build offensive structures of shield boosters with the armament specialist.
5 sec...
-Hint: Build a lot of shield boosters quickly, so the enemy won't break down your shield so fast.
5 sec
Tutorial ended: Your goal it to destroy the 2 energy generator on the other ship. Good Luck!

What do you think of this? Good enough?

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I also have a low map size policy. I won't import anything at all, except extreme lowsize files. The map won't be higher than 250-300kb, for fast dl reasons on b.net.

 

[DrazharLn]

I would put in a "hold your hand" tutorial like in Genesis of Empires II. But as for the terrain I would say it doesn't matter that much [but hey, tis a matter of opinion]. I still really like the game ;D

Draz

EDIT: actually, your idea is perfectly fine, and the GoE tutorial is a bit of a chore to make

 

[Darkness32]

The terrain for bottom is a bit unbalanced There an edge to place an extra laser for team 1 but not team 2.
Suggestion:
More upgrades for shield booster
More Missiles
More buildings

 

[TKF]

The terrain for bottom is a bit unbalanced There an edge to place an extra laser for team 1 but not team 2.
Suggestion:

Maybe it's an error I made, when I did expand the bottom ships build area. It had less build space than top ship before, so I balance it more.

More upgrades for shield booster
More Missiles
More buildings

I have no plans to add more upgrades for shield booster. I think it's sufficient atm.

Regarding the missiles, I have doubled the variations of missiles since original, so I have no plans to add further more missiles.


I think the building selection is rather high, but would perhaps add a few more. I have little ideas what to give the basic builder, since he only can build 3 structures. There is enough offensive and defensive structures for the armament specialist.

Basic builder can only build repair tower, unit producer and energy managers. I don't think a healing tower is necessary. Perhaps I can add a missile radar (pops up on the multiboard), but not sure about that.

 

[Darkness32]

Anyway I have played the game and found out some problems.. I did -High income - Rush and then fired the ship lasers... and we won What i am trying to say is maybe rush is a little bit too rush? Oh and the games gets a big laggy when more missiles are fired

 

[TKF]

Well, what do you expect when you combine -high income with -rush? Of course it's gonna be only 5-10 minutes, and that's the purpose with those commands. A normal game is about 15-40 minutes (without total noob team on 1 ship). If you want a longer game, don't use both commands. -rush disables the natural development of available structures.

btw, the triggers is more or less the same as original. Many projectiles in movement makes the game lagg.

Not much I can do.


btw new version released with tutorial and extended the anti missile rush timer from 2 minutes to 3 minutes. However 2 minutes in -rush mode. Read the changelog for all changes...

 

[hookah]

U should change the water into space (with little stars or things like that) as in this map people shooting with photon balls and things like that. Its more likely to happen in a space battle than in sea battle.
And u could add random things like a comet hits ur shield and the shield lost 50% of its hp and things like that if u are really bored
Or if u next time add a super weapon u should make something like this: for fireing this weapon ur ship has to turn off its shields for "x" time.
its all yust suggestions.

 

[TKF]

I won't change the water atm.

New version 0.39b: With missile jammer! This is a temporary version, to test the new structure. If it seems to ruin the game, I'll remove it until next version. If it's good, It will stay. That's reason for 0.39b version! It's strong vs few big missiles, but weak against many weak missiles. 1 missile jammer won't do so much, so morejammer should work well with lasers, as less direct angle gives the lasers more time. Making the perfect defense.

The jammer slightly turn the angle of the missile, and have a 2.5% chance to turn it around completely.

Edit_

0.39c version released early due to bug with ultra jammer (I forgot to add it to condition)

 

[Septimus]

Hmmmm.. quite a interesting concept for that missile jammer.

 

[TKF]

Hmmmm.. quite a interesting concept for that missile jammer.

Instead of just making more upgrades to the boosters, missile jammer is a different defense concept against missiles.

I tried to fill the basic builders variation of structures, but this probably fits the armament specialist better.


I played 2 games yesterday, and in one of them i got negative feedback cuz one of the enemy on the enemy ship got all his missile jammers destroyed, and he said the missile jammer sux and left the game.

The normal missile jammer is crappy, so I'm going to buff it better in the next ver, while super and ultra jammers is balanced enough I think (It's very expensive though!). So far, the laser towers seem to be slightly better than missile jammers, but missile jammers is able to damage missiles as well with great focus, but much less damage.

Also I'm going to adjust the jam features. If the missiles is turned to the sides, I'm going to make them go straight down instead. Missiles trying to move off the map while it's stuck, will create endless lagg eventually. Even I as the host got 3-4 sec delay cuz of that. I have to fix this!

The jammer does have normal attacks and very long range, but deals little damage compared to laser towers.

 

[Septimus]

Can I give suggestion.

Why don't you develop EMP missile (Electro Magnetic Pulse) that capable to disable the enemy defense shield temporary.

Off Topic : Ugh* I damn hate to play this map cause I always had noob teammate... But I like to play this map when it comes to 1 vs 1

 

[TKF]

Can I give suggestion.

Why don't you develop EMP missile (Electro Magnetic Pulse) that capable to disable the enemy defense shield temporary.

Well it's a good suggestion, but I already considered it. The reason why I haven't done it, is that when shield is down, you are very vulnerable. If you send a wave of rockets together with an EMP missile, you will slaughter them.

So I've limited this EMP effect, to just make leak points in the shields. The photon balls already have such a minor shield EMP effect, and you not make this so deadly only the ship weapon can fire 30 of them every time. If you fired them from launchers, you would have pwned them to easy. Some restrictions there.

Off Topic : Ugh* I damn hate to play this map cause I always had noob teammate... But I like to play this map when it comes to 1 vs 1

I think 1v1 is boring, then I will rather prefer 2v2. Also when you play with many players, you can turn on -highincome to increase gold generation. That might make 4v4 game more fun.

There's a little slight gold advantage of having several player on same team. If the teamwork is flawless, you may win against less players
5 players = 12.5% increased gold generation
4 players = 10% increased gold generation
3 players = 7.5% increased gold generation
2 players = 5% increased gold generation
1 player = 2.5% increased gold generation


And I've adjusted the missile jammer again, no big update. The reason why it's expensive is that it's effective against all missiles, even the expensive ones.

 

[Septimus]

But, when you play with stranger and you had no luck. You would always team with a idiot.

Can you change the mini map preview, it look more like a smoke instead of missile.

Off Topic : Yeah, I create a lot of map since I kinda bored lately. But, there is somebody who is even more mad. I had seen a person with 3 pages of his map. With a total map of up to 50-60 map. Me just 11 map...

 

[TKF]

Can you change the mini map preview, it look more like a smoke instead of missile.

I disagree, I think it looks very missile like and is more likely to catch attractive attention rather than a dull map view.


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New version!

Due to lack of my creativity, the outcome was just 1 new system, 2 new structures, 2 new projectiles and 7 new abilities.

I haven't mentioned the 2 new projectiles, but they are part of the 2 new abilities for the new super weapon: THE CONTROL CENTER!!!

But, when you play with stranger and you had no luck. You would always team with a idiot.

That won't be much of a problem now, as the 2 new structures are powered by noob energy

All this is untested, but hopefully no bugs.

 

[Darkness32]

Well theres a problem where the maps "Crash" ( Lagging until its impossible to play ) there won't be any fatal error but just freeze instead... I don't know what caused it fix it ? ^^

 

[Pomelo]

The map is really nice, but the masses of special effects makes the game very laggy, e.g. when both teams fire all of their special weapons. This should be fixed somehow.

 

[TKF]

The map is really nice, but the masses of special effects makes the game very laggy, e.g. when both teams fire all of their special weapons. This should be fixed somehow.

Well, moving lots of units is very laggy.

This is the trigger used for missile movement

• Unit Move
  • Events
    • Time - Every 0.05 seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in Move and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Set TempPoint1 = (Position of (Picked unit))
        • Set TempPoint2 = (TempPoint1 offset by 50.00 towards (Facing of (Picked unit)) degrees)
        • Unit - Move (Picked unit) instantly to TempPoint2
        • Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_TempPoint1)
        • Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_TempPoint2)
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in MoveLaser and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Set TempPoint1 = (Position of (Picked unit))
        • Set TempPoint2 = (TempPoint1 offset by 45.00 towards (Facing of (Picked unit)) degrees)
        • Unit - Move (Picked unit) instantly to TempPoint2
        • Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_TempPoint1)
        • Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_TempPoint2)

I'm not sure if a different code would make any difference.

Edit_

I would like to hear feedback about the recently added control center. It may be difficult for it to get mana, but if you survived a major attack or had a leaver, you should have enough energy to perform attacks.

 

[Darkenneko_003]

Well,
I just decided to play this randomly and I got some good things to say. =]
Its great, lots of good game play, Tho there are some things that I should point out.
The "Weapons" spell, it lags just a bit, and seems really weak, my Opinion, and than.
The "3 Novolith Torpedoes" only fires 2 of them, not 3.
Anyways, Great job, keep up the great work. =]
-Calvin

 

[DrazharLn]

For moving the units you could have created 3 dummy units behind the enemy ship. You then simply order the missiles to attack these. However, the missiles will deviate from their course to attack other targets.
Downsides: less realistic missile movement, you need a trigger to destroy units if they reach the dummies
Upsides: less lag

Note: the dummy units must be invulnerable, otherwise it doesn't work.

 

[TKF]

ty Darkenneko_003 for making me aware of that novalith bug. It's fixed!

I have finally fixed the kick bug (hopefully), which caused the team to die.


DrazharLn, your suggestion is very simple, but the missiles move at a speed of 1000 pr second, so their movement must be triggered. I've also changed the move trigger time frequency from 0.05 to 0.06 seconds, which hopefully will make the game slightly less laggier.


Many people have suggested to make the missiles locust and make all kind of defense triggered as well, but I find it very unnecessary. I'llk keep them as selectable, what's wrong with selecting a missile? You can select them to see their strength and remaining hp.

And missiles doesn't follow order, they just stand still (getting instantly moved by a trigger), and dies when their expiration timer ends.

 

[General01]

Regarding the Control Centre, I've never really found it to be a game-ending weapon: For the napalm and lightning bombs to have any effect, the enemy shields have to be down anyway, and if they're out, the game is over already . In addition, Earthcrack is either too weak (It's not able to kill a cluster of non-upgraded boosters) or too strong (if two people do it at once, and it can take out perhaps a quarter of the enemy shield boosters). Perhaps you could add a restriction of one command centre per team to stop the latter, and a system whereby the bonus provided by shield boosters diminishes as they take damage. However.. that would be rather fiddly to do .
I like the idea of the control centre, though, even though I normally don't waste enough energy to power it up.

Also, with missile jammers - when they turn a missile around entirely, i've never seen the missile last long enough to hit the other ship's shield. Are they meant to, or is turning them around just a way to completely get rid of them from your ship?

PS, Darkenneko - The ships weapons, I've always found, are a lot better when used in concert with your missiles. The ship's lasers are dreadful against shields, but five seconds sustained fire on a ship which has them down will basically obliterate them, the torpedoes have such a large explosion radius, one of them going up will cripple you, and the photon balls, with their delicious, tasy, scrumptious shield-breaking effects.. *pauses a moment to salivate* are wonderful at letting antimatter shots straight through the outer shield and into the neglected inner shields.

 

[Darkenneko_003]

I know general1,
But I Like testing everything, =]
I Spent the last moment of the game, sending about... 9 Novolith Torpedoes, 2 Plasma Torpedoes, a Lazer Strike, and a few other things at the enemy. =]
Great Game.

 

[General01]

Indeed. The end of the game get somewhat.. annoying. I was playing a game where my outer shields were about 85,000 hp, and it would cost the enemy more to take them down than it would for me to restore it. They'd fire three novaliths off to destroy them, and I could put them back up for a fifth of the cost. Same for them, of course. Methinks that the ship shield restore option should become increasingly expensive as your shields get larger - it would, after all, require more energy to restore a larger shield.

 

[Pomelo]

There is another thing, which isnt solved the best way, the harvesting. Everybody wants to get as much gold as possible and build masses of harvester, so that some other players wont get enough gold to play normal. You should change the method of getting gold, you should improve it, that every player gets the same amount of gold.

 

[TKF]

Regarding the Control Centre, I've never really found it to be a game-ending weapon: For the napalm and lightning bombs to have any effect, the enemy shields have to be down anyway, and if they're out, the game is over already . In addition, Earthcrack is either too weak (It's not able to kill a cluster of non-upgraded boosters) or too strong (if two people do it at once, and it can take out perhaps a quarter of the enemy shield boosters). Perhaps you could add a restriction of one command centre per team to stop the latter, and a system whereby the bonus provided by shield boosters diminishes as they take damage. However.. that would be rather fiddly to do .
I like the idea of the control centre, though, even though I normally don't waste enough energy to power it up.

Regarding the control center, it's napalm and thunder bombs does only 48 damage to the shield. The unique abilities with those bombs, is that they cannot be jammed whatsoever, and you can manually aim with them, which makes them very ideal. If the enemies shield is down, you can do a surgical strike with those weapons. But these weapons are not meant to kill the enemies shields, but for precise strikes.

Regarding the earthcrack ability, I don't think it does stack with another earthcrack spell in same area at the same time. Also it shouldn't cause much damage, cuz this ability bypass the shield. I'm going to add a counter to this ability, so it's possible for enemy command center to stop earthcrack attack.

Control centers power is a luxury. That's why you have drain ability, but your energy disappears fast.However EM field and Massive ECM Jam is untested, im not sure if those are to unbalanced.

Also, with missile jammers - when they turn a missile around entirely, i've never seen the missile last long enough to hit the other ship's shield. Are they meant to, or is turning them around just a way to completely get rid of them from your ship?

The purpose with the missile jammer is simply to turn the missiles away from your ship, and not to cause damage to the enemy. The original concept was to make the missiles go at the sides, but moving objects on the edge of the map causes laggs.

Jammers are more expensive than the lasers cuz they are able to negate attacks, even the expensive missiles. However they cannot jam ships lasers or do anything to parasites. They are not able to handle masses of nukes either, since they only affect 2-3 missiles each at the time, but quite formidable defense in addition to the laser tower.

Indeed. The end of the game get somewhat.. annoying. I was playing a game where my outer shields were about 85,000 hp, and it would cost the enemy more to take them down than it would for me to restore it. They'd fire three novaliths off to destroy them, and I could put them back up for a fifth of the cost. Same for them, of course. Methinks that the ship shield restore option should become increasingly expensive as your shields get larger - it would, after all, require more energy to restore a larger shield.

Well the instant recharge of the shield is an old one from the original. Maybe I do something with in later versions. Maybe I make it a dynamic instant recharge so it turn on the shields if they are down and refill the remaining hp loss to shield as suffered to X money. If player don't have sufficient money, his remaining gold is use to regen = to his remaining. Maybe a buffer cost of 500/1000 + 20hp pr gold. But well see...

There is another thing, which isnt solved the best way, the harvesting. Everybody wants to get as much gold as possible and build masses of harvester, so that some other players wont get enough gold to play normal. You should change the method of getting gold, you should improve it, that every player gets the same amount of gold.

I keep it as it is now. If i replace them with gold mines, only 1 player at the time can enter it, so the current harvesting system is better than that. Also it's hard harvesting competition if there are many players. Currently to partially counter this problem, it is a gold oncome increase of 2,5% pr player on each team. In this way, a team with more players should have slightly better advantage. I added this to buffer the loss of effective teamwork.

 

[General01]

Bringing you new, wackier than ever ideas since 1992...
Towards the end of the game, when you get to the point where there is no more room onboard your ship to build boosters or weapons platforms, I still yearn for the chance to upgrade my ship. Adding floating barges which boost your shields, either eratically (with regeneration) or constantly (as shield boosters do), or missile boats which circle around and fire constantly and passively at the enemy ship, would be a nice end-game touch. But it would keep the race to boost your shields going on for longer. What might also be good is the ability to refine your existing buildings - increasing the amount that your shield boosters boost by 5% per upgrade, perhaps, or shortening the cooldowns on passive fire. Then again, I am always keen on upgrades, and they would certainly be powerful ways to boost your shield with minimal effort.

 

[TKF]

Bringing you new, wackier than ever ideas since 1992...
Towards the end of the game, when you get to the point where there is no more room onboard your ship to build boosters or weapons platforms, I still yearn for the chance to upgrade my ship. Adding floating barges which boost your shields, either eratically (with regeneration) or constantly (as shield boosters do), or missile boats which circle around and fire constantly and passively at the enemy ship, would be a nice end-game touch. But it would keep the race to boost your shields going on for longer. What might also be good is the ability to refine your existing buildings - increasing the amount that your shield boosters boost by 5% per upgrade, perhaps, or shortening the cooldowns on passive fire. Then again, I am always keen on upgrades, and they would certainly be powerful ways to boost your shield with minimal effort.

Well, I'm not going that far with build space availability. Also I'm not going to add more upgrades atm.

I tried to add shield recharge based by gold function, but I'm to lazy atm to do the math right now. That will maybe be added later. As a temporary solution, I greatly increased the shield recharge cooldown, so fast usage of it isn't possible anymore.

I have also filled the control center with full of abilities now, thus nothing big, it allows greater regulation of energy now.

 

[Fat_steve]

This is a really good map from the last version i played which was a really early one and i've never got round lucking for a new-er version of missile wars.
The first time i played this map we were 8 minutes in game and some saught of parasite apparantly controled by the other team was attacking our Core systems and rapidly spread threw the base killing everything (pretty fast i might add), and then i began to look for some way to stop them i saw the marine thing on the main center but i couldent get it cos it needed some upgrades and i began to get them but then i ended up running out of money.
So can you add some other way of getting ridd of the parasites?
and make the parasites less powerfull.

 

[TKF]

There's a warning occurring, when someone has researched level 10 time restriction, however I will add death spore warning in this text message as well to notify unaware players. Build lasers against parasites. Lasers might shoot down death spores before they reach the crew.

Otherwise death spores won't be available until 10 mins has passed and a warning concering building lasers against death spores do display.

Death spores are really a waste of money, when they doesn't get though the laser defense, cuz they kill organic only. But the parasites is a deadly threath if they get out of control.

Also it's possible for the host (blue player) to type -nodeathspore (-nds) to disable death spores in a game. There's several custom commands for gamemodes.

Edit_

Minor update.
Now, I've taken the opportunity to add warning to players if someone gets death spores before 10 mins has elapsed. While I was testing a different system, I forgot to re-set the inner recharge cost to 1500; it was 20.

 

[Arthas_92]

nice map! too bad that the nuclear missiles aren t actually "NUCLEAR BOMBS"...but its nice!good work!

 

[DrazharLn]

Minor update.
Now, I've taken the opportunity to add warning to players if someone gets death spores before 10 mins has elapsed. While I was testing a different system, I forgot to re-set the inner recharge cost to 1500; it was 20.

And this shall forever be known as the lost version of exploit.
I'm still playing this map, it's great fun. I think an AI could be added rather easily to it, however. I could probably do it, it would be good practice for me too [as I would like to add AI to my own project eventually].

 

[emperor_d3st]

Okay, out of 8-9 times I played this map I always won in 8-10 minutes. If your enemy is noob you are going to omgwtfpwn, so I can't speak of this map in detail, but so far I don't like the harvesting system. I think that needs improvement, but no suggestions come into my mind regarding this.

 

[TKF]

And this shall forever be known as the lost version of exploit.
I'm still playing this map, it's great fun. I think an AI could be added rather easily to it, however. I could probably do it, it would be good practice for me too [as I would like to add AI to my own project eventually].

AI would be interesting, but unfortunately I have no knowledge or experience in AI design/making, so if you or someone else could implement such AI into the map, I would be grateful and add his name at the credits under AI programming. Until then, this map can only be played by humans cuz I don't want to dig in myself for making an AI.

Okay, out of 8-9 times I played this map I always won in 8-10 minutes. If your enemy is noob you are going to omgwtfpwn, so I can't speak of this map in detail, but so far I don't like the harvesting system. I think that needs improvement, but no suggestions come into my mind regarding this.

To bad you got so short games, but I do sometimes take it easy to make the enemy build up first, if they are noob, just to toy with them and overpwn them in late game

If all your teamates including you rush to nuke them to death at start, it's a different thing. I've few experiences with such tactics against me.

But this gave me the idea of adding another custom mode -strongstartshields (-sss). The shields initial strength is 5 times stronger (2500 inner hp / 5000 outher hp). I'll add this cmd in next version.

This is a really good map from the last version i played which was a really early one and i've never got round lucking for a new-er version of missile wars.
The first time i played this map we were 8 minutes in game and some saught of parasite apparantly controled by the other team was attacking our Core systems and rapidly spread threw the base killing everything (pretty fast i might add), and then i began to look for some way to stop them i saw the marine thing on the main center but i couldent get it cos it needed some upgrades and i began to get them but then i ended up running out of money.
So can you add some other way of getting ridd of the parasites?
and make the parasites less powerfull.

Concerning the deadliness of death spores, I got multiple feedbacks on it cuz it's lethal. Maybe I do something about it to balance it in the future versions. First, im going to let the parasites have 120 less hp in the first 10 minutes, so it would be easier to kill them.

And also researching 10 min tech restriction will make death spores available for that player, and give him early opportunity to produce death spores.

btw the death spores (toxic missile) already have only 80 hp in the first 10 minutes, then 200 hp when 10 minutes of the game has passed, thus making it impossible to pass 1 normal laser tower in the very early stages of the game.

With warnings to build the laser tower against death spors being displayed every game, I think this should learn them a lesson every time.

Edit_

Update 0.43 released.

I've nerfed the parasites, but only at 10 first minutes. If it's not enough, I may set death spores available after 15 min, instead of 10 min which is a bit early. But I do that only as a final nerf.

Also, I kinda fixed the shield regen 100 limit, by setting it to 200. It's highly unlikely if a team has 200 inner shields or 200 outer shields, so I think 200 should do. I'm not going to make another stacking aura atm. Also imported a nuke icon.

I'm working on a homing system script which allows missile to follow missiles, that will be released soon... though the script is quite simple, it's effective.

 

[Discohydra]

A very good map, I guess is to have some pre-made AI controlled Patrolling marines to prevent parasite rushes.

There should also be a Defense structure that launches Anti-missiles passively, But you can buy them more en masse at the structure (5, 10, 20, 50 missiles)

Are you going to add a homing script for Anti-missiles? It would be very good, as to remove the waste of buying 100 missiles only for them to go to waste. and it would be very nice for the passive building. (Make the missiles spawn as 5 at a time every 15 seconds as to prevent power missile rushes.)

Could you please nerf the death spore shield pierce in late game, since they have a bit more HP, nerf it to somewhat of 40%-45%, As to prevent some oh... 60 death spore rushes.

Jammers are very good, but they shouldn't cost as much! Make the cost 800/1000/1500 instead of 1000/1000/1600.

There should be "Wire guided" Missiles, So it follows the mouse, but, it has a slow turning radii, Make this as to exploit shield leaks caused by photon balls, as AI missiles take no advantage to this.

I have a few suggestions for a few ship control commands:

Fighters, This launches AI controlled Fighters, They are target-able with missiles, but not Plasma torpedoes, Novilath torpedoes, Nuclear missiles, Anti-missiles, or Photon balls. These fighters can shoot down missiles, and attack enemy shields. The HP is up to you.

Emergency Anti-missile wave, This wave shoots 100 Anti-Missiles, all even dispersed around the battlefield, they kill enemy missiles and deal minor damage to the shield. (I dont care if you add this or not, Shield wave is exactly like this, except with your "Homing" script.)

Board Enemy ship, This ability sends 1 Missile target-able cargo ship, with anywhere from 3-12 marines on it. This has a 75% chance to pierce the shields, and its VERY slow, It's also a large target and collides with missiles. Parasites attack marines. Even if allied.

Good map! definite 5/5.

I've nerfed the parasites, but only at 10 first minutes. If it's not enough, I may set death spores available after 15 min, instead of 10 min which is a bit early. But I do that only as a final nerf.

You get them after the first 10 minutes!!! The nerf will end when you get them! Thats if you dont tech.

 

[DrazharLn]

The idea there is to make parasite rushes less effective.
I don't find that parasites are very effective tbh. When I was playing a 2v2 game, parasites got on to our ship once, they killed all me harvesters, but they die pretty quicky. after that one time, no parasite ver got onto our ship. If you look at the ;ayout of the ship, you will see several perfect places to put laser towers. It's childs play to avoid parasites.
They are a valid early game tactic, but by about 20mins, they are a dead tactic unless you were to rush 500 or so at once.
But then again, my ship had 11 uber lasers at the bow, this effectively made our inner shield invulnerable, as nothing could hit it.
That leads me to one of the only problems with this game: stalemates. The enemy fired 6 or 7 novaliths at our shields [combined strength of shields ~300,000] along with a bunch of antimatter and other stuff. He made one hit. We waited for the inner shield to fail, then instantly regenned it, same with the outer. We also had a hundred anti missiles too.
But anyways, I love this map.

@TKF I made a Ship War game with General01 before [it wasn't nearly as good btw, it was our first project and we flounderd a little] I'll try and get an AI working for that. If I can do that I'll contact you again and we'll work out how to add an AI to the map.