Mini-game Mapping Contest

[baassee]

You can use JASS in the normal WE too you know

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Yeah, but without the syntax checker it becomes even more inconvenient for me to use, I never got to the point where I knew the language so much that I could instantly tell where I went wrong or that sort of thing, I do use it for fixing leaks and that sort of thing anyway.

 

[baassee]

Hehe I see, that's what TESH is for bugs? Never bugged for me.

 

[Zeatherann]

Wherewolftherewolf use JASSCraft...

 

[Deolrin]

Guys.
Did you ever notice how pretty much no contest ever allowed infinite imports?
...Except for that solo mapping one a while ago. And it was one hell of an awesome contest. It had the best submissions I've seen in a WHILE.
So... What's wrong with imports again? Why do you always want to limit them? We have huge Skin and Model sections that are barely ever used, and only like a select few models are used.

 

[Zeatherann]

Debode, you are not limited in what you import save for a file size limit of 2Mb.

 

[Deolrin]

...That is my point exactly.

 

[Tleno]

Well this seems we could use changing the contest theme entirely to something else, sicne this one doesn't seem to be some pleasing...

 

[Raven0]

I've brought up this point before, "mini" doesn't mean low file size. A "mini" game is just a game that has simple controls and is of relatively small content size.

I completely agree with everything Debode said.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

It is a good point that you should get your priorities in order.
The original idea was to use a small map size, thus being the source of the "mini"
Then it shifted to the idea of a replayable multi-player map
And now it's shifted to using the least amount of imports possible.

If you want to get this approved, you should choose a set of rules and stick with it - the contest will only be approved when the rules are finalized and debate over them has ended.

 

[Pharaoh_]

I also agree with Debode, I previously mentioned it anyway.
Mini, as Raven0 stated, stands for a brief gameplay, without complex controls.
What you will end up seeing is several default Warcraft III models that are actually really ugly and a general lack of alternative visuals.
Don't prevent people from becoming creative and let's face it, we have been modding war3 for many years, almost everyone knows the models it hosts, so, creativity doesn't only derive from an innovative gameplay, it's also a matter of appearance.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Mini, as Raven0 stated, stands for a brief gameplay, without complex controls.

Not exactly lack of complexity in the game, it can be incredibly complicated but the general understanding is that the game takes a relatively short amount of time to play, thus often meaning in a small area, or simple premise, etc. etc.

 

[Zeatherann]

I'm quite tired of these debates myself too, and the last time i changed the first post (and thus the contest rules) was when Pyritie asked me too.

I appended 'Mini' to this contest in the aspects of short play time, small terrain size, and small file size, because it wouldn't be nice to play a 5 minute game while waiting for people to download it for 15 minutes.

If you manage your imports correctly, or smartly, you can replace nearly everything in your map that you would need, however this isn't a total overhaul of the Warcraft 3 look contest.

Besides, since, as Raven0 said, 'mini' stands for a brief gameplay, without complex controls. And Wherewolftherewolf said that the game takes a relatively short amount of time to play, thus often meaning in a small area, or simple premise, etc. etc. You wouldn't need a ton of imports anyways.

I'm tired of this, and I hope that when/if this 'debate' is over another one doesn't spark up, I've been wanting to make a mini-game map for this contest since i first posted this idea.

 

[Tleno]

Yeah I got a concept ready too, even few of them, and though urrently I'm sick and I'll have exams pretty soon, I'm still kinda bored of these debates too.

Can't we just make genre limitations (mini-games) and no other special limitations?

 

[Zeatherann]

I'm thinking the current set of rules is most well-received as only two of the various people who posted oppose it.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Come on - I actually want to enter this contest

 

[Zeatherann]

same

 

[baassee]

Same as Im going off the 22th. Ill probably not join this

 

[Zeatherann]

off ware?

Edit: Paris, cool.

 

[baassee]

Work. In Paris.

 

[LunarLite]

subscribing, probably will enter this contest too and finaly contribute (or at least try to) something to the hive.

 

[Zeatherann]

Awesome!

 

[Tleno]

Yeah, kinda sad this thing is halted. Zeatherann, have you tryed contacting the Pyritie again? Or something? And news?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Well I think the main problem with it before was that no one seemed to have come to a consensus on the rules - if you have a solid set that you like this can probably get approved

 

[Zeatherann]

Talked to pyritie, whom said this hasn't been approved yet because of laziness on his part.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

That's his excuse for everything

 

[Tleno]

I'd say I'm lazy too... no wait my excuse is "I have no time for it"... though that's somewhat true, I mean I just got WoW for free, there's terraining contest, one Blizzard contest, some comic plans... still, hope I'll find time for this contest...

 

[Zeatherann]

Well, funny thing is this contest might get approved before the original expiration date lol.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Well, funny thing is this contest might get approved before the original expiration date lol.

Yeah and I've lost a lot of motivation towards the competition. This is taking too long time to start.

 

[Tleno]

Well at least we know who to blame...

Spoiler

Pyritie

Now I am kinda busy, but still we had no contests for mapping for a really long time now, I mean seriously, we should contact Ralle or someone else as immportant as Pyritie...

 

[Deolrin]

All you have to do is ask Pyritie to come here.
He just didn't notice, most likely.
Meanwhile, update the main page or something.

 

[Zeatherann]

Okay, but update it how? Did you have something in mind?

 

[-Kobas-]

• Maps must be made for this contest and can not be work done prior to the start date.
  OK
• Maps may not violate any of the Hive Workshop's rules.
  OK
• Contestants must post a WIP of their map before the deadline to prove it's their map.
  OK
• You must post your map before the deadline expires, attached to a post.
  OK
• Relatively Small File Size (2MB).
  Need better explanation (Hmmm, maybe you should limit resources to WE default only or just remove this)
• Short to medium game time. Can be played in under an hour.
  BAD (Hmmm, why, maybe I want to add restart option so instead of re creating game we can restart score and start new game without leaving game, this can increase playing time to 1 or more hours)
• Medium or small map size (ie: 128x128).
  BAD (You don't need this, maps can have huge size, who cares, we judge quality at the end)
• Theme of the mini-game could be anything, but try to make it 'not another XYZ' game.
  BAD (You don't need this, another CnP map will get lower score in "Idea rating")
• Multiplayer or Singleplayer.
  OK
• Paired or Solo teams allowed.
  BAD (We have paired contests as well)
• Judges can't participate in the contest.
  OK

Well that's my opinions!

 

[Zeatherann]

Sweet, will make amends

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

So about that laziness......

 

[Zeatherann]

wherewolftherewolf, can you contact pyritie? he seems to dislike me though i don't know why, maybe cause im a knew-ish member?

 

[Tleno]

Now the rules seem to be as flawless as they can... so there's no more reasons to halt the contest thing...

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Okay the "I'm lazy argument" has seriously overstayed it's use
You've been lazy for quite enough time, can we just get this hosted now?

 

[Pyritie]

hello my name is pyritie and I will be your lazy admin for today

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

You've been our lazy admin for quite some time,
You're just doing it on purpose now aren't ya?