Mini-game Mapping Contest

[Deaod]

Is using Reinventing the Craft an option?

 

[Eccho]

As far as I know, only the vanilla editor, and that would exclude RtC. RtC would though, in my opinion be an unfair advantage.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

RtC kinda defeats the point of being an online multiplayer minigame (from what my understanding, this is what it's supposed to be) as you basically can't host it on Bnet.

 

[Zeatherann]

Yea no RtC, it should be multiplayer and able to be hosted on Bnet. Tleno, if you can make the time managemeent game for multiple people, awesome.

Edit: How does a contest get approved to be put as an actual contest, like the now passed Terrain Contest 11?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Basically you just pester Pyritie until he approves it

 

[Zeatherann]

k lol, sounds like fun

 

[Deaod]

Minigame does not mean multiplayer. That just doesnt follow. You can create fun singleplayer minigames.
And the requirement of only using the vanilla editor was dropped, i think.

So what is the reason for not allowing RtC?

Because in my opinion, being able to use RtC allows you to implement a whole lot of new gameplay mechanics. Things that may not have been tried before, at least not in WC3 maps.

 

[Tleno]

Well since it's allowed to make singleplayer maps, I think it's not forbidden to use RtC. Altrough I would probably nuke Deaod's house for ating GUI, the bread and butter of programming illiterates, I still have to agree on him that it shouldn't be forbidden to use RtC if singlepalyer and JASS are not forbidden.
PLus I'll stick with singlplayer too (Tough GUI), maybe I'll make two player map, but I don't really care about it...

 

[Zeatherann]

Isn't the whole point of making a is to play it on Bnet and have at least one friend join in?

Adding rule: At least two players.

PS: This doesn't mean RtC isn't allowed as you and your friend could both have RtC and play the map, but it at least has to be two player.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

You realize some people prefer to play alone correct?

 

[Zeatherann]

Yes, i sometimes enjoy it too. The map doesn't have to have more than one player to play it, but it should be able to have more than one player.

 

[wolfman]

This might be a stupid question, but can we make more than one map? Since they will be small, so it would probably be possible to make 2 maps within the time frame.
And if this was allowed, of course only the better one would be considered by the judges (so it wouldn't be possible to get both maps in the top 3)

 

[Deaod]

Isn't the whole point of making a is to play it on Bnet and have at least one friend join in?

No, its not. What makes you think singleplayer maps are pointless?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

This might be a stupid question, but can we make more than one map? Since they will be small, so it would probably be possible to make 2 maps within the time frame.
And if this was allowed, of course only the better one would be considered by the judges (so it wouldn't be possible to get both maps in the top 3)

You can't enter 2 entries but I guess there's nothing stopping you from making 2 maps

 

[wolfman]

You can't enter 2 entries but I guess there's nothing stopping you from making 2 maps

Okay, i was just wondering cause i have a couple different ideas and i cant pick xD

 

[Zeatherann]

Deaod, singleplayer maps are not pointless but for this contest entries should be able to support multiplayer gameplay.

 

[Deaod]

Is there a reason for this other than "because I said so"?

 

[Zeatherann]

There is, currenty im too tired to find it. Tomorrow (for me) i'll edit this post.

There are not any good games that are single player on the Hive that are not RPG's, Campaigns, Cinematics, or Templates.

As wolfman said; Split your map into two halves so up to two players can play, but there's no difference to if only one plays as they each have their own 'map' side by side.

tleno; Are you trying to flame me? No one's forcing you to join this contest.

 

[Tleno]

Come on... make the singleplayer allowed! chances to get a multiplayer minigame map popular for WC3 after release of Starcraft 2 is futile, while WC3 is still way easier and functional for singleplayer maps and campaings...
And oh come on, that contest that was Hosted by Syleona was singleplayer-maps only, and it was a great contest with director's cut submissions!

So or you make it singleplayer, or you fail.

 

[wolfman]

I have a suggestion, how about if you want to make a single player map, just make your map twice as big, split it in two, and make one half for one player and the other half for another player. So technically more than one person would be able to play, but each player would still be able to play a "single-player" game just on their side of the map

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

That sounds like unnecessary work
Why not just leave the option open for single/multiplayer?

 

[Tleno]

Yes. Yes. singleplayer or multiplayer!

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

There is, currenty im too tired to find it. Tomorrow (for me) i'll edit this post.

There are not any good games that are single player on the Hive that are not RPG's, Campaigns, Cinematics, or Templates.

As wolfman said; Split your map into two halves so up to two players can play, but there's no difference to if only one plays as they each have their own 'map' side by side.

tleno; Are you trying to flame me? No one's forcing you to join this contest.

You bother looking?

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/find-orb-144585/?prev=search=99%20levels&d=list&r=20

Of course there's more then this (just grabbed the last one I remember testing), but it is possible to create a worthwhile singleplayer minigame.

Actually, if there's a lack of them, why not try filling in said gap?

Also splitting the map into 2 sides is pointless extra work and a dent in the space if this is supposed to be a challenge to create a good map within a small area, if you're going to make it singleplayer and multiplayer just code it so it can work on the same field.

 

[Tleno]

Sorry if I insulted you or whatever, tough I was not trying to flame anyone.

Indeed, filling the lack would be the best. Plus most of minigames in the world are those flash games that you can play in web browser, and 90% of them are singleplayer, so I think multiplayer-only would be quite a bad limitation...

At least two players

Serously... I can make mympa multiplayer too, but this is an unneceseary limitation that will just decrase an amount of submissions and had ntohing to do with minigames!

 

[Deaod]

There are not any good games that are single player on the Hive that are not RPG's, Campaigns, Cinematics, or Templates.

And forcing me to adapt my idea for multiple players will somehow make it better?
Besides, what kind of silly argument is this: There hasnt been a good singleplayer minigame (which, if highly recommended maps count as good maps, i can refute), so we should not try to make one.

 

[Tleno]

Yes, yes, plus the Heroes of Genesia is a great campaing, and it doesn't take longer than fiive-ten minutes to complete it, so it can be counted as single-player minigame!

And seriously, any contest won't be sucessful without lots of submissions, and lots of submissions won't be achieved without simple and wide theme. No singlepalyer, as I already stated, is an unnecesseary limitation that has nothing to do with the theme and it just ruins the contest.

 

[M0rbid]

I agree on that singleplayer issue. It should be variable.

however what I would really appreciate is if the process of getting this into a final state could be fastened up a bit and this could actually come true.
Hell it's about time to get another mapping contest. So yeah!!

 

[Tleno]

Already working on the concept. Scrap that time managment, got another idea from playing flash games.

 

[M0rbid]

Also I would suggest making this into a paired contest, so that the chances of getting more entries is larger!!
Or giving the option to do it alone or as a team of two would be great!

 

[Grievous1]

Also I would suggest making this into a paired contest, so that the chances of getting more entries is larger!!

yeah that would be great... I support this suggestion.

 

[Tleno]

Yeah... I personally wouldn't stick with paired map contest idea.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Like anything, why not leave the option to work alone or as a pair open to suit different peoples needs?

 

[Tleno]

Like anything, why not leave the option to work alone or as a pair open to suit different peoples needs?

Yes! Yes! Yes! That would be the best.

 

[Zeatherann]

I never said no to paired did I?

Wow, I'm an idiot sometimes, posting when tired doesn't suit me... Read posts 31-36 to get the answer.

 

[Tleno]

Yeah... so you already posted there can be noth mult- and single- and paired and done by one person?
Well, this means that at least two players requirement should be removed. I guess.

 

[M0rbid]

You should add it to the rules, that it is up to the contestants to pair up or do it alone then

 

[Tleno]

So and pairing, and singlepalyer/multuiplayer allowed, and quite a simple but wide theme? Yeah, this should lead to a lot of submissions!

 

[Zeatherann]

oh yea, forgot the rules, changed.

 

[Raven0]

Like anything, why not leave the option to work alone or as a pair open to suit different peoples needs?

^ this

however what I would really appreciate is if the process of getting this into a final state could be fastened up a bit and this could actually come true.
Hell it's about time to get another mapping contest. So yeah!!

^ and this

 

[Grievous1]

Maybe you should increase the filesize limit a bit to 3mb or so than we can import more something like music.

 

[M0rbid]

Maybe you should increase the filesize limit a bit to 3mb or so than we can import more something like music.

I do think this is actually a fine idea, 3 mb is not that much more than 2mb that it would really matter in terms of downloading speed. But with 3 mb there would be way more room to import things and it would come in handy. Seeing the 8 mb battlenet limit this is still fitting with the minigame idea well in my opinion.

 

[Raven0]

would really matter in terms of downloading speed

*wouldn't*

 

[Pharaoh_]

I'd like to see this as a solo contest, most mapping ones are team-required. The last Solo was a bit of a fail (unless you want to prove me wrong), so this one could be the balancing power

Why forcing contestants to team up? :s

 

[M0rbid]

Noone is forced to team up right now, it's everyones free decision to team up seeing the rules as they are.

@Raven0: So you think it would matter?

 

[wolfman]

sooooo... we can start creating our mini-map now right? xD

 

[Pharaoh_]

This is not approved, so, no

 

[Thrikodius]

I'd like to see this as a solo contest, most mapping ones are team-required. The last Solo was a bit of a fail (unless you want to prove me wrong), so this one could be the balancing power

Why forcing contestants to team up? :s

Indeed. I think it's kinda, in lack of a better and more diplomatic word, "stupid" to team up when making a mini-game. At least when there's limited time and all. You don't really work with a mini-game like you work with any other big map project.

 

[Zeatherann]

Very nice ideas.

Paired or Solo: that's a toss up, i don't want it to be paired, but if i say solo i get spammed with five people saying it *has* to be paired or at least an option to pair up.

The 2Mb limit is in place because it was half of what the map limit was back in the 'glory days' or Warcraft 3. Also when you play on a 10-50kbs connection speed 2mb takes a few minutes, or, 3.5 to .7 minutes. Also, for music just lower your bit rate as i took a song at a 64 bit rate down to 24 and it sounded the same, knocked off over 1 Mb too.

Icons take appx 6KB, models around 50, and a custom UI around 1.5-2Mb, which is where the kicker is.

Edit: These are based off my map's size, which is 2.5Mb, i have a few icons, models, custom UI, 2 minute song, loading screen (the big one, in four parts) and a custom 512x512 texture as a splat. A few skins to go with models or to replace other model skins.

PS: the music i use in my two maps is only 600Kb, with only half the bit rate. Use Audacity.

 

[Pharaoh_]

I'd definitely raise the limit up to 4 mb; a 4mb map doesn't make it huge. Plus, even with such a limit, I doubt that everyone will fill their maps with so many imports, it's just a way to freely let contestants choose their preferable models and/or textures. You doom someone's option to make a unique visual outcome in the Warcraft III machine.

 

[Zeatherann]

I've seen amazing stuff with small map file sizes, i'm resolute on my decision for a 2Mb limit, keep in mind the 'mini' part of minigame.