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It's pretty obvious the difference:
-You have to be a moderator to moderate
-Anyone can review something
-You have to be a moderator to moderate
-Anyone can review something
It's pretty obvious the difference:
-You have to be a moderator to moderate
-Anyone can review something
Ladies, Gentlemen,
I support Zombie's message. It looks like most people calling them "map reviewer" with quite arrogance are definitely not testing the map more than 5 minutes - when they test it: most of time, with such "review", it seems they just read the description.
And, once again, I'm definitely bored to read 10 people proposing a map maker to use BBCodes in 10 messages without one saying "You should improve the unit XYZ because the spell ABC is not blabla.
No, I read only "Poor description RULES VIOLATION" written with an aggressive red, ended with "VOTE FOR REJECTION".
In France, we call the guys using MSN messenger with tons of smileys, words like "omg XD lol huhu" the "kikoolols". [Kikoo comes from "Coucou", a french word to say "hi", and lol, of course, is lol. Kikoolols are most of time poor kids not able to talk but only to spam smileys, emotiwords, exclamation mark etc.]
To all people calling themselves reviewers: stop to be "kikoolols". Write criticism. Once again, why the hell are you judging a map:
1-Without being moderator
2-Without testing the map seriously
3-Without giving advices to improve the map (and not that damned BBCodes, poor god!)
4-Without simply trying to help the author instead of burning him with nuke bombs?
Have a nice day,
anyone can moderate. its somone who goes it, plays the map over once, and tells the hive wether its working
It'd be nice to have some mandatory guidelines that don't revolve around the description of a map being critiqued instead of the map itself... maybe not bother with the description until the map has proven worthy of being accepted in the first place? I mean, the community is a handy source for WC3 as it is, but I rarely look forward to submitting a map (another topic, will not go there).
I swear some users scroll through the map list and just simply drop "Bad Description blargh" at every map. Why?
As far as suggested moderation guidelines go, Crabby_Spider submitted this:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1729496-post14.html
He was never responded to. As for trash map uploading, as there are a number of them, it's possible to require a minimum number of changes to the map first. Changing an unit or two and calling the game custom doesn't really cut it; since you guys want to ensure you don't become like epicwar.
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Edit:
Based on ap0c's comment, I get the impression that the map section is unmoderated because of 2 things:
1) too few moderators
2) Ap0c is waiting for a decision in the mod thread, hence his lack of moderation. He doesn't know what the hell to do yet.
Out of curiosity, you mods/admin wouldn't be close to a solution(s) yet would you?
He was never responded to. As for trash map uploading, as there are a number of them, it's possible to require a minimum number of changes to the map first. Changing an unit or two and calling the game custom doesn't really cut it; since you guys want to ensure you don't become like epicwar.
1) too few moderators
2) Ap0c is waiting for a decision in the mod thread, hence his lack of moderation. He doesn't know what the hell to do yet.
Out of curiosity, you mods/admin wouldn't be close to a solution(s) yet would you?
Man, its same as was in 2008, when I was map moderator. We are only three at first place, then two guys left, and I left some period only one. Alone, like ap0capypse is now! Which means I really do not know what staff really think about cause same things happenings over and over. I do not know why they don't simply hire many moderators, rather than two, three, so one or two will left, and still one available moderator will do his job, but he alone is useless. he tests 10 maps today, but people upload 20. Plus old pending ones.
In the maps section there are only 2, of which one has been offline for a while now.
Minimum changes is still WAY too lenient
The map should be totally original:
-Altered Melee: Terrain should be completely new - units obviously can stay the same, but the terrain cannot be edited from any other Blizz/Non-Blizz made map.
-Other: Map should be completely original in design and application (of course maps of the same genre can have similarities, but one map cannot be edited from another).
-Altered Blizz Custom Map (for things like Warchasers) - up to the discretion of the map moderator
Basically unless it can't stand to be completely original, it should be to be accepted
2 is still too few... especially if you can't gaurentee they're always going to be on. 4-5 would be better, especially considering the volume of maps.
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You would be good, since you do a lot of reviewing. So would some other people that do reviews.I agree that more would be better, but understand that there maybe isn't anyone good for the job currently...
I meant, if the general description is there, the modder shouldn't really bother with telling the submitter to describe each race and the objectives in explicit detail. I mean, that's a bit much. (those were just examples) If the description is THAT important in the submission rules, maybe there needs to be some changes directly in the rules.Not bother with the description is encouraging the user itself to break the submission rules.
You would be good, since you do a lot of reviewing. So would some other people that do reviews.
People just flame about descriptions to flame.
Even if that wasn't considered important in the rules, people would still complain about it. Look at the people who do that, most of them never say anything positive, or anything on maps that could be approved - they just go find something with a bad description and start saying things like fail to satisfy their own egos, they enjoy being douche bags.
It's not a problem with the rules, it's a problem with the people.
Which is why the hive needs a more regulated mod/approve/review system.
the map doesent come on (to public view) after a quick technical review by somone who wants to do this. next step is reviewing.
A user posts a rating or a review, preferably with a 30 minute time lag between when they dl the map and when they rate, to ensure testing, or atleast to be too much pain for trollers.
people who have done that can rate the map, or write a review, and that goes on the public score.
next, in an order of seniority, or public weight, a map Reviewer (can also be a moderator) will go in, test the map, and post an official review, they can also sponsor a user review if they think that it has enough detail/objectivisim.
that seems like he most effective way of segregating all scores.
and that way, people can know what to look for, playtesting, or ruletesting.
The truth (quoted from another thread).Hakeem said:Someone in chat linked a pic--Was it in chat? Maybe it was on dA... Anyway, it was a picture of Snape and Malfoy's father doing a team rocket parody as death eaters. This recalled a few memories from my having read the first four books. Notably applicable was the Defense Against the Dark Arts position at Hogwarts. You see, in each of the four books, there is a new DADA teacher. The position is believed to be cursed. I didn't read the last three books, so I have no idea if/how the curse was removed.
Gentlemen.
I believe we have a cursed staff position on our hands.
As I have stated many times before, this system will not be implemented on this thw.
It's been planned for thw 2.0 (that's been decided for almost half a year now).
It's pretty useless trying to discuss this matter any further.
I don't think that was the deadline.They've been talking about THW 2.0 for a while now, I believe it was supposed to be integrated when the Sc2 resource section was added, obviously this hasn't come to pass yet
I wouldn't know what Ralle is planning to do with deleted maps, but he doesn't seem to like it when a resource gets deleted, so I just don't do it.Boris said:You guys are ensuring deleted maps are actually deleted on this new system, right?
I don't think that was the deadline.
I think the deadline was in 'about a year, if not more' (that was half a year ago), as the site's being completely rebuilt from scratch (no more vB or other hosting sites)..
That concludes Boris' first question as well.
I am a bit concerned about the admin activity. There is a distinctive lack of them providing information into this sort of site dicussion thread allowing far too much speculation and inaccuracies to be distributed.
Hopefully this is temporary, as it is exam time.
Not really the point of this thread, but I myself lost pace of what exactly we're discussing here tbh.
Pissed about people occupying your seat then going afk, eh?
Fair doos. I would be. =/
I must say considering the amount of admins, they do seem to take very little interest in threads like this, and don't anyone flame/bullshit with me they have lives and/or it's a big site. I've been an admin and part of several sites/projects/w/e.
It doesn't take long to click on a thread like such, read a few posts and comment a line or two. (what 10mins? if that)
And if you don't have time to do that, frankly you shouldn't be performing that duty.
And there presence in the chatroom isn't exactly null.
I'm not saying there bad people or bad admins, but some more 'thread presence' would be nice.
Kinda' like English policemen, good at deskwork, but fail to get out and deal with the community, so they never know what they truly want/need, just sit looking and facts and figures, making guesses on what to spend money on.
Like we've said, these threads are made several times a year so most of the staff just don't bother responding to them any more, since they all end up going the same direction anyway
Like we've said, these threads are made several times a year so most of the staff just don't bother responding to them any more, since they all end up going the same direction anyway
...The map was approved within 2 days...
Glorn2 said:If someone is not willing to invest 30 minutes into doing a decent write-up on their map and follow the rules, or at least come close to the rules for posting... What does that say about their map?
Being understaffed, you want as many high-quality maps as possivble to get the stamp of approval. If someone cannot come up with more than a half-assed post for their map, why should the reviewer invest 5X that time reviewing it? Skip to the maps that, at least, by appearance have a lot of effort put into them.
Just ask yourself when staff promoted map to DC last time?
That's what I do already (it doesn't even have to be a review of half a page).Why not just make the current system of "map reviewing" be the official system?
- As is, a dozen people with the self-proclaimed title of "Map Reviewer" will do a half-page break down of your map, and how it score in their opinion.
- A mod pops in and sees "Ohh hay, 6 people gave this a good rating; and those 6 people do a lot of map reviewing." *Clicks approve*
If the site is too lazy to do the legwork, why don't you guys start a thread for people to sign up to be "official" map reviewers, and then vote on 20 or so who the community believes will do the job in a non-half-assed-kinda-way. You can then submit these names to someone big and important.
After this, you simply submit a map for review, where a few of those 20 people can look at it and give their opinion. Maps must score at least a 4 outta 5 to be passed up to a mod who will then make the final decision whether or not the map gets the "okay."
Considering all of you right here have the power to nominate amongst yourselves the people who are best suited for the jobs... It would be a good idea to get started on that.