Mal'Ganis the Eternal One

[paladinjst]

Woooal~~~~This one is just I saw on wc3wowforum , really like this . 5/5

 

[stein123]

Finally!, but like i said you before, i think that you should use the campaign dreadlord skin instead of campaign arthas (like in one of your old dreadlords).

 

[LISBOAH]

These models look really good. Good job @FerSZ!

Do you have more models to post besides these you posted today?

 

[Archian]

Very nice! I appreciate the diffrent variations. Great work as always

Are you planning on making models for Warcraft 3: Reforged?

 

[Sigiloso]

Wow Amazing model, I would like to play with it, it has pretty detailed animations.

EDIT: Damn this model is so great.

 

[doomhammer99]

Daaaaamnnnn! 5/5

 

[Pyraeus]

And I am making a remake and your models are very useful. Thank you, good sir. Keep up the good work.

 

[Verb8im]

Pretty good, but the model is a little big, and he's just walking, not running like normal dreadlord models

 

[Vinz]

Filesize is quite enormous, but this is wonderful work.

 

[Heinvers]

Great work. As @Archian mentioned, would you do it still when Reforged come out? ^^

 

[Sieben]

This model is fantastic! Animations are outstanding!

 

[Ether]

You're a beast, man. /m/

 

[Pyraeus]

If you do plan making models for Reforged... like two people above asked.

I hope the moderators divide the model pages: one for Reforged and one the Original version. You are a fine model maker and hope we don’t lose you for both versions.

Thank you.

 

[Jaina Proudless]

Reviving Mal'Ganis takes the whole wind out of Arthas's corruption... It makes him appear far more weak and pathetic and undermines the "use evil means to achieve desirable ends but become evil in the process" trope... since he doesn't even achieve anything this way!

It's a whack move unworthy of being called canon.

 

[FerSZ]

Finally!, but like i said you before, i think that you should use the campaign dreadlord skin instead of campaign arthas (like in one of your old dreadlords).

Well, I thought the same at first. But I made it using Arthas' face, cause I wanted it to look different from other dread lord models, and a little bit more similar to HotS version.

Very nice! I appreciate the diffrent variations. Great work as always

Are you planning on making models for Warcraft 3: Reforged?

Great work. As @Archian mentioned, would you do it still when Reforged come out? ^^

If you do plan making models for Reforged... like two people above asked.

I hope the moderators divide the model pages: one for Reforged and one the Original version. You are a fine model maker and hope we don’t lose you for both versions.

Thank you.

Yeah, I think I'll have to upgrade my technique of making models. Plus I'm excited about new in game textures and animations. I guess I'll try :v

Reviving Mal'Ganis takes the whole wind out of Arthas's corruption... It makes him appear far more weak and pathetic and undermines the "use evil means to achieve desirable ends but become evil in the process" trope... since he doesn't even achieve anything this way!

It's a whack move unworthy of being called canon.

Eh... Okay.

 

[PurgeandFire]

Those animations are amaaaazing. o___o Especially the attacks.

Really cool take on the dreadlord model! Gorgeous armor too.

Reviving Mal'Ganis takes the whole wind out of Arthas's corruption... It makes him appear far more weak and pathetic and undermines the "use evil means to achieve desirable ends but become evil in the process" trope... since he doesn't even achieve anything this way!

It's a whack move unworthy of being called canon.

I agree, but I don't think that is a reason to rate this model 3/5.

 

[Jaina Proudless]

I agree, but I don't think that is a reason to rate this model 3/5.

The reason it's 3/5 is because: low detail on face, strange skin color, 'not-reseting' WoW-esque animations (at least in the viewer), not warcraft 3 styled so it would stick out like a sore thumb. Also the face just doesn't look like that of a dread-lord. It looks more like an elven female face. To be honest I might be generous with my rating now that I think about... I can't imagine it being useful without those non-resetting attack animations (animation end =/= animation start so it cuts back when the animation replays).

On second thought I think it might be an issue with the shading that makes the face look so bland. Overall there's issues with the shading on the texture of the model but the face sticks out the most it's almost all 1 single colour.

 

[Razorclaw_X]

Those animations are amaaaazing. o___o Especially the attacks.

The animations are from WoW's Tomb of Sargeras Kil'jaeden model.

 

[hemmedo]

I'm still waiting for that kil'jaeden model...

 

[kamilosss54]

Very nice

 

[Rocknar]

if you want this animation run you need to write it into "Art-Required animation names" (write "Fast" there) then this model is perfect it has even alternative flying form!

 

[Chiron]

Can you just fix the Portarit??? it's talk once and then stops, not looping like other models

 

[General Frank]

Please add a TC background.

 

[Homor]

If it's not too much to ask, can you make a version where the skin on his arms and legs is covered in black instead of exposed? I saw it that way in the editor while it was loading and thought it looked badass.

 

[johnwar]

Hello @FerSZ can you make Lothraxion the holy dreadlord

 

[GrandMaitre]

ty

 

[alirezasharifikia]

FANTSTIC! The skin, the model and most importantly, the animations are aweeeesome!!! GOOD JOB

 

[Peach Schnapps]

YOOOOOOOO

5/5 Rep

 

[StellarDusk3271]

The model is very nice and i love the animations, however, like a couple of comments said before, the face looks kinda odd, maybe you could use the same texture of your previous nathrezim model? And also the portrait talk animation doesn't loop.

 

[ToldYouSo]

It makes no sence that this model is not approved. Many A+ models has some minor problems, yet this one is considered "lacking"

This might be very useful despite having no TC

Please make some sence hive modders.

 

[Jab1z]

Dude, this is just beyond good.., MY EYEEEEEESSS!!!!!!

 

[ToldYouSo]

Please add a TC background.

Would you tell us a good explanation to justify rejecting such kind of models, please?

 

[General Frank]

Would you tell us a good explanation to justify rejecting such kind of models, please?

I feel you are being extremely rude here and out of element, but I humor you.

When I reviewed this 5 years ago I marked it as 'needs fix', which is neither a rejection nor an approval.
It was kept in that state just until recently when the higher ups decides to categorize as 'approved' with the resource rating of 'lacking'. That decision was made after I have left the staff and I have no say in it.
Reviewers and mods should encourage resources creators to make their models as best as they can, to enforce the rules, but we should not carry their butts for them and wave through the slightest issues. Nowadays that model would have been reviewed much stricter due to the analysis tools we have at hand and the issues the model still has. There are also smaller, very easy things that the author should do because right now the model does not adhere to the rules - for instance an in-game screen screenshot. That is required and yet the author did not care to upload one.

I hope that clears things up and makes you aware that you are barking up the wrong tree without even knowing the full picture.
I would recommend you to do some research yourself (and probably also read the site rules and resource guidelines).

 

[ToldYouSo]

I feel you are being extremely rude here and out of element, but I humor you.

When I reviewed this 5 years ago I marked it as 'needs fix', which is neither a rejection nor an approval.
It was kept in that state just until recently when the higher ups decides to categorize as 'approved' with the resource rating of 'lacking'. That decision was made after I have left the staff and I have no say in it.
Reviewers and mods should encourage resources creators to make their models as best as they can, to enforce the rules, but we should not carry their butts for them and wave through the slightest issues. Nowadays that model would have been reviewed much stricter due to the analysis tools we have at hand and the issues the model still has. There are also smaller, very easy things that the author should do because right now the model does not adhere to the rules - for instance an in-game screen screenshot. That is required and yet the author did not care to upload one.

I hope that clears things up and makes you aware that you are barking up the wrong tree without even knowing the full picture.
I would recommend you to do some research yourself (and probably also read the site rules and resource guidelines).

As a Russian, I'd like to consider such "ethic guideline" as nothing more as something pointless. Rude? Are you serious? I did no insults or humiliation. Moreover, telling people how "rude/inappropriate are they" is very popular among modern west/USA people, and I believe it kinda restricts the discussion development, since one complexed person accuses another complexed person so they could not discuss feeling more secure.

But since Im nothing but a mortal, and I'm being here on hiveworkshop only as a guest, I have to obey in order to be not banned. So I'll try tomoderate my ardor.

Just wanted to point at something I'm feeling kinda strange about.

 

[General Frank]

As a Russian, I'd like to consider such "ethic guideline" as nothing more as something pointless. Rude? Are you serious? I did no insults or humiliation. Moreover, telling people how "rude/inappropriate are they" is very popular among modern west/USA people, and I believe it kinda restricts the discussion development, since one complexed person accuses another complexed person so they could not discuss feeling more secure.

But since Im nothing but a mortal, and I'm being here on hiveworkshop only as a guest, I have to obey in order to be not banned. So I'll try tomoderate my ardor.

Just wanted to point at something I'm feeling kinda strange about.

Yeah, you are being extremely rude by telling people that all reviewers should be fired and you are inciting unnecessary drama just to get a reaction from people.
You basically glossed over what I said and just brushed it off. I have a feeling that you don't want to listen, give any good comment. So be it.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Yeah, you are being extremely rude by telling people that all reviewers should be fired and you are inciting unnecessary drama just to get a reaction from people.
You basically glossed over what I said and just brushed it off. I have a feeling that you don't want to listen, give any good comment. So be it.

Who said im not gonna comment over my statement?
Im just taking my time giving a proper answer, I felt at the moment that I can only comment about "rude accusement".

You know, it takes some time to not rush at opponent saying that he is wrong/rude/unappropriate at every thing he said, giving immendiate responce on what he said. I likes to think at least some time since we are on internet.

So, moving forward...

The first thing is that I maybe.. lacking some good explanation in english. I did no mean to actually "fire off EVERY reviewer" as the only resolution. Actually, I was trying to propose that maybe they should just reconsider what "rejection" does actually on model section, and that's it.

Coz what they are doing by rejecting models is a controversial decision that harms the site itself.
You just pointed out at "smaller, simple things author should do", and stated that it's okay reason to reject the model. Dont you think "small" speaks for itself? Small is what may seem to be meaning not too much when it comes to giving a proper review for good model.

The same fate has happened with Dead Tree Missile.
Why? Why models that might be helpful for people should be black listed so it's almost impossible to find them on hive?

you are inciting unnecessary drama just to get a reaction from people.

By the way, dont you think I want reaction so people can support my words and we will change hive for good? Makes sence right?

It's really fascinating to see how you already pointed out at my ignorance and rude behavior. Dont wanna go trolling though, even this might be forbidden now in USA/West mentality and even resulting me going to jail.

 

[Stefan.K]

Coz what they are doing by rejecting models is a controversial decision that harms the site itself.

The models are still there. People can download them, but the model reviewers have to point out the "flaws" that can break something in world editor/maps.

Would you tell us a good explanation to justify rejecting such kind of models, please?

All in game models have TC background for portrait animations, what's the point of not having it here?
About the model reviewers being strict for past few years - I for one hate it when I see moderation like "Please remove unused keyframes"(I explained somewhere why), but as @General Frank said we should really grow as a modelers and a community by making our models almost perfect. And that has nothing to do with nationality.
The things pointed out by moderators are easily fixable and I don't see any reason for it to not be fixed, considering how much time is spent to make the mesh of the model, the wrapping...

 

[General Frank]

The models are still there. People can download them, but the model reviewers have to point out the "flaws" that can break something it world editor/maps.

All in game models have TC background for portrait animations, what's the point of not having it here?
About the model reviewers being strict for past few years - I for one hate when I see moderation like "Please remove unused keyframes"(I explained somewhere why), but as @General Frank said we should really grow as a modelers and a community by making our models almost perfect. And that has nothing to do with nationality.
The things pointed out by moderators are easily fixable and I don't see any reason for it to not be fixed, considering how much time is spent to make the mesh of the model, the wrapping...

I am pretty sure it is a rewrapped WOW model. I might be wrong though.

 

[deepstrasz]

It's really fascinating to see how you already pointed out at my ignorance and rude behavior. Dont wanna go trolling though, even this might be forbidden now in USA/West mentality and even resulting me going to jail.

While I appreciate your honourable effort, I feel you are falling in the same trap as General Frank when he gets emotional. While he has a tendency to go to negative extremes with your intentions, so are you doing with thinking everyone not in Russia (or maybe Eastern Bloc) is under this "USA/West" lovecraftian corrupt mentality.
Everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is to recognize and if not fix, at least not repeat them.

 

[Stefan.K]

I am pretty sure it is a rewrapped WOW model. I might be wrong though.

I was thinking the same at the time he uploaded most of his models, but here's his reply in one of his models:

Actually not, the whole armor is made from scratch, It's easier to do it from scratch than just re-wrapping wow models with in game textures.
About the head, Yes I used an already made head from a rip, cause I was too lazy to do another one from scratch, but as you said, it's optimized (removed unnecesary polygons and the form was smoothen) the same with the tail.
The torso and hands were made from scratch, using as a reference the form of old wow Archimonde, the same with the legs and hooves.
In summary, I used the original wow model (Archimonde WoD) as a template to give my model the right dimensions, And I do this in all my models because for my map I use WoW animations. But as in this forum, people are not used to WoW animations, I transport the geosets to Wc3 skeletons, so that the model could be a bit more useful for them.

 

[General Frank]

I was thinking the same at the time he uploaded most of his models, but here's his reply in one of his models:

Animations are from WOW and some parts are. I was partly correct.
Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Jab1z]

Dude, this is just beyond good.., MY EYEEEEEESSS!!!!!!

I am pretty sure it is a rewrapped WOW model. I might be wrong though.

actually it's starting to make sense, yup those models are insanely well made specially those animations and effects, it's definitely not the work of a single author and there could be a trick to them. But damn those models are so gorgeous xDD

 

[ToldYouSo]

The models are still there. People can download them, but the model reviewers have to point out the "flaws" that can break something in world editor/maps.

All in game models have TC background for portrait animations, what's the point of not having it here?
About the model reviewers being strict for past few years - I for one hate it when I see moderation like "Please remove unused keyframes"(I explained somewhere why), but as @General Frank said we should really grow as a modelers and a community by making our models almost perfect. And that has nothing to do with nationality.
The things pointed out by moderators are easily fixable and I don't see any reason for it to not be fixed, considering how much time is spent to make the mesh of the model, the wrapping...

I stil dont understand. It it hard to understand my essential point?


Reviewers black list those models from model section. Yeah, it becomes almost impossible to even find them on hive. That's quite harmful for mere mortals who just want to look for the good models to add to their maps.


I've had to waste like one hour to find Dead Tree Missile that I found out 2 months ago completely by accident. That just tells how bad the idea of :rejection".

 

[Shar Dundred]

This model being found under "Lacking" was a result of this.

It was brought up that resources were stuck for years in awaiting update and that it was problematic. They were batch moderated to Approved - Lacking because they were lacking some fix, otherwise they would not have been awaiting update. The logic for doing this is that lacking resources are easier to find than awaiting update and the resource is probably never getting updated anyway.

We realize that this might not be fair for all resources. So please make us aware of this if you find something out of whack. Feel free to use the "Report" button.

If you wish this to be discussed, use the correct channels, not this model thread.
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[deepstrasz]

I've had to waste like one hour to find Dead Tree Missile that I found out 2 months ago completely by accident. That just tells how bad the idea of :rejection".

Actually, you could do your search this way

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or like this

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then scroll down to