Make You Think

[GST_Nemisis]

To my own (and alot of the scientific communities) disbelief, human genes are still evolving!

 

[Malufa]

Mutating is a better word. Human genes do not evolve much anymore, they do in some minor ways but for the most part adaptation is out of the equation, leaving only mutation as the means for which humans reach the next level.

Said basically: humanity is screwing itself over and will die in less than a few million years.

 

[v3ck]

It can't be as bad as slowly roasting to death if we can't kill ourselves before the sun does.

 

[Shados]

Quantum Fact: Every choice not taken happens in an alternate reality that exists at a slightly different harmonic vibration to our own.

You can't state that as fact, as no scientific theory is ever proven, only confirmed.

 

[Malufa]

Nor can you confirm or deny my entire existence, so if you want to talk about such idiosynchracies and technicalities we can. Otherwise, the statement remains as true as anything else presented here.

 

[Shados]

Fair enough.

When you partially close your door and a light outside of your door is on you get a blueish-grey edging of the doors shadows. Only shadows from doors do this and only while a person is observing it. If one sets up a video camera of it there is no recording of it, even if it has a person looking at the shadow while it is recording the camera will "see" nothing.

Yeah, light just loves messing with peoples heads, there's all that stuff with light patterns changing depending on if you are observing them in certain ways and then if you record the light pattern, as well as observing them in the right way and watch the recording it looks like it did while it was happening. But then if you go and destroy your observations the record changes to what it would be if you hadn't observed it in the specific way in the first place, or something like that...

 

[Malufa]

Yeah I think I know what you are trying to say, I for one cannot remember so I can niether confirm nor deny that. I like how light is both a particle and a wave, if you know anything about physics (beyond forced school classes) that is simply astonishing.

 

[Shados]

Yeah, they're wavicles, the crazy little things. How it works is that when you treat it as a particle it acts as a particle but when you treat it as a wave it acts as a wave and then there's all that stuff with wavicles interfering with non-existant (or is it semi-existant?) wavicles and crap, or, once again, something like that...

And then there's electrons not actual being anywhere around a nucleus until you go looking for it, and then when you look again it's in a different place even though they never actually move, you know, probability cloud stuff. The whole universe is probably a big probability cloud, or at least sometimes it seems that way.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

yeh thats very true. i like to think of electrons as everywhere at once and nowhere. not that it helps to explain anything, but there u go

 

[Malufa]

Yes it is like the old Quatum Theory of how one can know either the location of an electron or its speed but not but as one precludes the other.

 

[brad.dude03]

yep quantum theory is a wonderful thing. if you want to learn more about it but find it confusing, I'd try reading Timeline by Michael Crichton, mixing awesome midevil combat and things with science and technology. it's a great read, and it has plenty to keep the peple who don't like reading busy. on top of that, it explains quantum theory in a simple way. all of tha quantum foam sitting there in the places we can't see. And the multiverses, thats some food for thought. In brief: quantum theory does not explain time travel, time travel is impossible. Rather, it *theoretically* takes you to another universe with the proportions of them time era or place that you intended to go to (this is based on the fiction that we have acquired technology to access and travel between the universes) instead of taking you back to, say the 14th century, it would take you to a universe that was exactly the same in every way to the 14th century, except it included you within it. interesting indeed.

 

[Shados]

Actually time travel into the past is perfectly possible, not sure about the other way around. The problem is is that you can only go back as long as a time machine existed. So if someone is successful in building one they'll know 'cause people would start coming through. And anyway, my theory is that time is inescapable, and that even if you travel "back" in time it would only be the past in relation to others, so technically we're in the past anyway, you can never escape the present, as every littlest bit of the universe has it's own personal "present".

 

[brad.dude03]

indeed, but I don't think a time machine will ever be invented anyway. quantum theory will take over that end and i think even if it will be possible to build a time machine, quantum technology will be adavanced sooner and time travel will be a thing that people will mock us about in a thousand years.

"hey look, these people looked into the future and thought we would have time machines by now. what a bunch of morons!"

 

[Shados]

Yeah, too much trouble, the only real reason to go back in time is to get an accurate record of human histroy. And if faster-than-lightspeed technology is invented, or a way is found tp create and stabilize wormholes then we could just place telescopes at varying distances from earth and if you placed one at say, 50 light years from earth, then you would see what had happened 50 years ago.

 

[Malufa]

Wow, what a bunch of gibberish. Sorry if this sounds 'high and mighty' Brad, but please do not think you understand quantum theory, let alone quantum mechanics, from readin a fictional book, even if it seemed to make sense. Shados, what makes you think time travel is only possible with the creation of a time machine on one side? That would be like saying that in order to use a car there must be a car at the destination. Actually, that is what you are saying. Time and space are the same thing, crossing one crosses the other.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

mind you i love this idea

we could just place telescopes at varying distances from earth and if you placed one at say, 50 light years from earth, then you would see what had happened 50 years ago.

 

[brad.dude03]

yep, actually te really cool thing was that they've done this. I think a few years back one ship reached the edge of the galaxy (or our solar system, I can't remember) and the said it was amazing because we could look at what earth looked like way way way way way back.

anywho, I don't pretend to understand quantum theory very deeply, but this is just what I gleaned from reading a book that contained non fictional research within a fictional story like many of Michael Crichtons books. He is constantly praised about he how he flawlesly meshes his research in with his story telling to create an informative interesting read that actually contains some factual information. Scream all you want, it falls on deaf ears

 

[GST_Nemisis]

yep, actually te really cool thing was that they've done this. I think a few years back one ship reached the edge of the galaxy (or our solar system, I can't remember) and the said it was amazing because we could look at what earth looked like way way way way way back.

i wish so badly u hadnt said that....

as for the book, it sounds intresting, i may look it up.

 

[brad.dude03]

lol, why? :?:

 

[GST_Nemisis]

yep, actually te really cool thing was that they've done this.

no they havent.


I think a few years back one ship

we dont have "space ships" we have probes and satellites, also shuttles for manned flight.

reached the edge of the galaxy

nothing we have made has reached the edge of our galaxy, not even radio waves. i think i read a fact onetime that said it would take the voyager probe (not sure which one, mabey both) 100 million years to reach the edge of the galaxy

(or our solar system, I can't remember) and the said it was amazing because we could look at what earth looked like way way way way way back.

the only things that has reached the edge of our solar system are various probes. now it is true that if they were able to take pictures of earth they would see it as it was in the past, but only an hour or so. only the amount of time it takes for the light from earth to reach the probe, mabey less than an hour i dont know.

the main thing about what u said is that it is not true at all, they didnt say it was amazing, because it never happened. now, while the idea of "seeing" back in time as mentioned about would work, what you just said is stupid. i mean REALLY stupid. which is why i wish i didnt have to tear you idea apart but at least you know in future to never ever EVER say anything like that again....please...

 

[Shados]

Shados, what makes you think time travel is only possible with the creation of a time machine on one side? That would be like saying that in order to use a car there must be a car at the destination. Actually, that is what you are saying. Time and space are the same thing, crossing one crosses the other.

I'm not sure what made me think that, I heard it somewhere.

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mind you i love this idea

we could just place telescopes at varying distances from earth and if you placed one at say, 50 light years from earth, then you would see what had happened 50 years ago.

Yeah I had that idea a while ago, I think it's pretty cool too, if we had telescopes that could also see through buildings and somehow pickup sound from millions of light years away and in the past (I seriously doubt that'll happen but anyway) then we could build an accurate history of Earth.

 

[Malufa]

First off, thank you Dan for saying that, oh so very true everything you said. It would not take 100 million years to reach the edge of the galaxy on our closest side [we are right on the very edge as it is] but it would take an incredibly long time with current technology so the point is the same.

Shadows, you were talking about time travel and you quote from something about viewing through space. Which is it? I am rather confused as to what you mean here, could you please clarify for me?

 

[Shados]

I added a pretty little border to clarify for you Malufa, and if I remember correctly and you're using a spelling checker on your posts then it "corrected" my name to Shadows, not Shados.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

you quote from something about viewing through space.

he mean the idea where if we made warp hold tech, we could place a telescope at varying distances from the earth (obviously an extreemely strong telescope), and it would see what was on earth the distance in light years away. so a telescope 50 light years away would see the world 50 years ago, as light form the earth reaches it.

as for sound it is probably impossible. mabey reading lips or, mabey, just mabey we could analyse the vibrations of paricles somehow, but i think that is impossible with a telescope lol.

 

[Shados]

As I said, I seriously doubted that would happen but we're all allowed to dream, aren't we? Anywho, my idea is mostly possible, and it would be intersting to fix up all the mistakes in human history, and I hadn't thought about lip-reading, that ain't a bad idea.

 

[Malufa]

I remember a few years back a lot of people were joking about how, if we built a sensitive enough acoustic detector, we could actually listen in on very old conversations. The reasons behind this are because the energy from speaking never fully "dies", it continues to go around the world. It is very impractical, but it is theoretically possible.

Shados, I used to use a spell checker but I have spent so much time in america recently that I no longer really need it.

 

[Shados]

Yeah I thought I heard something about that too, didn't someone a few years back build one that could still detect the energy from the Big Bang, which helped to confirm that particular theory even more?

And what does being in America have to do with spelling? In my knowledge I tend to spell alot better than most Americans I meet on the internet. Oh wait, I just realized English probably isn't your first language, so being in an English speaking country would help that, nevermind what I said before then.

 

[Malufa]

It is alright, you did not know that I came from the Netherlands originally.

Where in the world do you hear these wild things? It is a theory, it is next to impossible to actually create let alone function. No, it did not "confirm" the big bang, but one of them concieveably could if all things went right and perfect the first time around. There is no way to really make one, it is just a theory\joke.

 

[Shados]

I'm not sure it was sound waves this was detecting, and it didn't have to be amazingly effective to detect whatever remnants of the big bang it was detecting. And when I said confirm I meant more give more strength to the big bang theory, rather than prove it.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

you give strength to that theory everytime you turn on your TV. you are talking about the microwaves found by arno penzias and robert wilson in new jersy. it won them a nobel prize. and when you turn on your TV the static you see are those radio and microwaves.

Edit-how do i remove the edit note at the bottom? all i did was add an r to the end of you in the first sentence (your TV), but it gives the impression i totally changed what i said... ahh never mind, but i would still like to know how its done.

 

[Shados]

Thanks for backing me up, I knew I had heard something legit, but I couldn't remember what it was. I think it was on some old documentary a few years back, and although I have a good memory for general knowledge it sometimes fails me.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Thanks for backing me up

lol its not that u need backing up, alot of the things u say do actually have meaning and good ideas. its just that i was able to interprit what you were saying, but im sure William know exatcly what you mean now it has been explained a bit

the trick is careful wording, the is HUGE difference between prove and support.

 

[Shados]

Yes well when speaking of scientific theories confirm usually means support, not prove.

 

[Malufa]

I agree with Dan, it is all in the wording. You must remember that many of us, including myself, are not native speakers and we learned certain words meant certain things, not that they have like five different meanings. That is very confusing.

 

[Shados]

True, I see your point. English is a very strange language, not like some of the more structured languages like Italian and other Latin-based languages, although English might have had structure once, it has now become a mongrel muddle of various words from different languages, twisted to fit the English tongue.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

yeh but i like it that way, its more intresting, less plain....more fun

 

[Malufa]

Also it is more open to interpetation and double meaning, it is why it is the current international language. French used to be, but now english is very confusing. My guess is that eventually Mandarin will be because it is a tonal language.

 

[Shados]

Ahh, but some countries used to speaking phonetic languages might find that very difficult.

 

[Malufa]

English is difficult, what is your point? My point is that the more misleading and confusing a language is the more popular it gets for diplomacy.

 

[Shados]

lol, good point .

 

[Malufa]

Exactly the point. :roll:

 

[GST_Nemisis]

if you sharpen a pencil perfectly you can get it to balance on its point.

 

[Malufa]

I would like to see that for myself.

Staring at the bottom of a clean concrete pool will make the same light flashes as if you look at the sun from a natural lake and it is actually brighter if you close your eyes than if you have them open. If you try to look at the sun from the pool all you get is the sun, same as if you look down from a shallow natural water.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

i will try to find a web site, mabey they didnt balance it, im not sure....to the internet to find out!

 

[v3ck]

In theory, it could balance, but success would probably be so unlikely that you wouldn't be able to do it in your lifetime.

 

[Malufa]

Well it is probably like the chance of flipping a coin and it landing on its side perfectly. That is possible. It is also possible, in theory, to throw a ball at a wall and t go through the wall due to the atoms and molecules ining up just right.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Well it is probably like the chance of flipping a coin and it landing on its side perfectly. That is possible. It is also possible, in theory, to throw a ball at a wall and t go through the wall due to the atoms and molecules ining up just right.

now that makes u think

 

[GST_Nemisis]

In theory, it could balance, but success would probably be so unlikely that you wouldn't be able to do it in your lifetime.

im fairly sure i have seen it done on tv, but i cant find any info about it on the net. so i guess u gotta just take my word for it...

 

[Malufa]

Oh yes, everything we watch on TV is fully real

If I saw it with my own eyes and my best friend was doing it I would believe it, otherwise I need hard data.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Something to make you thing, i know it will make me think for a while. managing to have a heathy (or unhealthy if ur crazy) mix of space and conspiracies here is some info i found about mars:

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicmars.htm

now i know it seems a little crazy, but to be hounest i have never seen any recent pictures of phobos...but thats just silly, right? right!?!?

and im sure have heard of the face on mars, well here are some more faces for you

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicmarsanoms.htm

the egyptian one proving to us all that infact egyptians were martians

that website, while having some truly crazy things, does have alot of intresting info about space anomalies and strange planatery terrian. if you are intrested in that sorta stuff, without too much "aliens did it" being thrown down you neck, check it out.