What would you think of?

[Zerox]

What would you think of making a forum/site where we allowed nearly all models. Ones made by members of the site and ones made by other people. People such as Black Stan. You know the "underground" or "forbidden" models and skins? Would you be interested in this?

This is just an idea I've thought of and I'm now even more serious about it since there are many models that The Hive won't allow users to upload for various reasons. But what if there was a site where there wasn't a condition like that?

Does this interest you at all?

Either way let me know what you think.

 

[icecream_pirate]

Absolutely. At this point, i can't really trust "forbidden" models because shady things tend to be bad. But TesNexus has a lot of talented people with new models coming in every day and there are so many stuff, even the lich king . (but thats for Oblivion ) I'm not really a fan of nude models and crap though, but being able to use high quality models from other games would be awesome.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

So, basically, Hive with zero quality control and theft of intellectual property? Sounds awesome.

 

[icecream_pirate]

I was thinking more along the lines of more models, not necessarily less "security"

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I was thinking more along the lines of more models, not necessarily less "security"

So you intend to find a way to get more models without lowering your quality standards or stealing models in any way whatsoever? Tell me more!

 

[icecream_pirate]

Yes, i intend to use MAGIC!
I dont really care about quality standards, its not like it will replace the good ones, just give u a crap load of other junk that you have to wade through.
Besides I never said i had a method, i just said it would be cool if we have more models. If only I knew magic!

 

[Zerox]

Absolutely. At this point, i can't really trust "forbidden" models because shady things tend to be bad. But TesNexus has a lot of talented people with new models coming in every day and there are so many stuff, even the lich king . (but thats for Oblivion ) I'm not really a fan of nude models and crap though, but being able to use high quality models from other games would be awesome.

"Forbidden" was just a term I thought of to call them. I am of course looking for a site with some rules. Keep in mind this is just all in theory though. I'm not looking for porno models. Not in the least. I'm just saying that the hive is a little strict sometimes. I've seen beautiful models. A Samus Aran that looked as if it were from Metroid prime ect. And yet the hive won't allow people to upload it or others of its like because they aren't the original creators. Even if they credit the original author its most of the time unapproved and removed so no one can get it. This is just an example. I think this is silly considering it contradicts the part where it says "This is not my Resource" and where you can put the actual author's name in and then tell about it. I've seen models like that and they were unnapproved and removed within minutes. I've even heard that people have been banned for it before. Though as I have not experienced it myself I can't say. For such a site I'm talking about I would think that a "needs improved section" Should exist instead of just saying its not good enough and denying everyone the chance to see it. What if its just one mods opinion that it isn't good enough even if it was good? And as far as other models by other people (my main thing I'm calling forbidden) could have there own section where they could be posted and given the proper credits.

Now that I've made it more clear does that make more sense?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I'm just saying that the hive is a little strict sometimes.

I've seen stricter.

I've seen beautiful models. A Samus Aran that looked as if it were from Metroid prime ect. And yet the hive won't allow people to upload it or others of its like because they aren't the original creators. Even if they credit the original author its most of the time unapproved and removed so no one can get it. This is just an example. I think this is silly considering it contradicts the part where it says "This is not my Resource" and where you can put the actual author's name in and then tell about it.

It's called a permission. If an author doesn't want his resource on a website he's never seen before, that's sort of his right on this site.

For such a site I'm talking about I would think that a "needs improved section" Should exist instead of just saying its not good enough and denying everyone the chance to see it.

So you want a little dumpster where you can spam a bunch of bad models?

What if its just one mods opinion that it isn't good enough even if it was good?

Then they would be a bad moderator because that's what the ratings and reviews system is for. Their approval depends on the actual rules and how well the resource follows them.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

It's called a permission. If an author doesn't want his resource on a website he's never seen before, that's sort of his right on this site.

Welcome to the internet

So you want a little dumpster where you can spam a bunch of bad models?

Yes.

What if its just one mods opinion that it isn't good enough even if it was good?

Thats just stupid

 

[donut3.5]

Illegal, disrespectful, and immoral.
Illegal due to WoW rips.
Disrespectful due to going against the author's wishes.
Immoral for both of the above.
In other words, to answer:

What would you think of?

I think it is a terrible idea.
--donut3.5--

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Welcome to the internet

Welcome to this site.

Yes.

I don't recall asking you, but if so, that would be Ralle's decision, and one I wouldn't implement if I was him.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Welcome to this site.

This thread doesnt talk about this site.

I don't recall asking you, but if so, that would be Ralle's decision, and one I wouldn't implement if I was him.

Again, this thread isnt talking about this site.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

This thread doesnt talk about this site.

But he does, so I will as well.

Furthermore, the criticism of the Hive is related to the discussion at hand.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

But he does, so I will as well.

"Forbidden" was just a term I thought of to call them. I am of course looking for a site with some rules. Keep in mind this is just all in theory though. I'm not looking for porno models. Not in the least. I'm just saying that the hive is a little strict sometimes. I've seen beautiful models. A Samus Aran that looked as if it were from Metroid prime ect. And yet the hive won't allow people to upload it or others of its like because they aren't the original creators. Even if they credit the original author its most of the time unapproved and removed so no one can get it. This is just an example. I think this is silly considering it contradicts the part where it says "This is not my Resource" and where you can put the actual author's name in and then tell about it. I've seen models like that and they were unnapproved and removed within minutes. I've even heard that people have been banned for it before. Though as I have not experienced it myself I can't say. For such a site I'm talking about I would think that a "needs improved section" Should exist instead of just saying its not good enough and denying everyone the chance to see it. What if its just one mods opinion that it isn't good enough even if it was good? And as far as other models by other people (my main thing I'm calling forbidden) could have there own section where they could be posted and given the proper credits.

Now that I've made it more clear does that make more sense?

Furthermore, the criticism of the Hive is related to the discussion at hand.

Fair enough, but my point goes out to if it were applied to a new site.

 

[Zerox]

Well thanks for thoughts so far I guess. I'm not trying to change the hive or nothing just taking oppinoins.

 

[Gilles]

Basically you want wc3sear.ch back?

 

[Zerox]

Um I'm not even sure what wc3sear.ch is / was other than another warcraft site where BlackStan's stuff used to be. Why is it gone? If so what happened to it? Could you tell me more about it?

 

[Gilles]

Um I'm not even sure what wc3sear.ch is / was other than another warcraft site where BlackStan's stuff used to be. Why is it gone? If so what happened to it? Could you tell me more about it?

No, sear was pretty much the former Hive. It's a long story, but pretty much darky owned sear, and you could upload pretty much anything you wanted. The site was horribly slow and filled with garbage resources (among some good ones). Then when it was about to die, Ralle (the Hives webmaster) offered to take it over. He moved all the resources and has set up this site. Now we actually have a moderation of the resources.

 

[Zerox]

I guess your right. Nevermind I guess. Thank you for your time.

 

[WAR10K]

the idea for the site is a place where you can admire rare, high or low quality model,s that are hard to find not illegal or anything.
We just want to stop the annoyance of "can i have this or that rare model."
It not a dumpster ,its rare models.
We decided WoW rips are not accepted two reason It completely illegal,
I'm the one who has them and i don't wanna upload them.
You want wow rips go to you tube that's where i got them.
But if you wanna be rude about our idea go join a group or make one i wanna be rude other wise keep comments nice its an idea not official yet.

 

[icecream_pirate]

whos being rude.

 

[Em!]

Go to xgm they have black stans models and wowrips but personally i am to shy to use ripped models or models i do not know who the actual author is *Want to avoid confrontations of that kind*, but i do think there needs to be a site were garbage or unfinished models can be uploaded for others to download and repair at will like i used to do in wc3sears that was fun i must admit.

 

[icecream_pirate]

I dont trust xgm. I always feel as if it was stolen, or it has viruses.

 

[Elenai]

XGM is not to be mentioned on this site. It is a bastard of a site, filled with stolen and ripped goods. Please do not advertise XGM, or direct other users there. Thank you.

 

[Zerox]

Yes I agree with what Elenai said. We don't need anything thats full of BAD! stuff. Thats not exactly what I was talking about. XD

 

[Hakeem]

It's called a permission. If an author doesn't want his resource on a website he's never seen before, that's sort of his right on this site.

The author has a right to data I have on my computer?

Disrespectful due to going against the author's wishes.

See, if you release data to the public domain, you've released it to the public domain, and there isn't a thing you can do about it.

The author is kinda asking a lot in this case.
Why did they release their work in the first place?
So that people can look at it/listen to it/create a fetish shrine with it/edit it/plagiarize it/paint it to a duck/memefy it/sacrifice it to the god Khabreezoo/need I go on?
Let's go with an easy one: So that people can look at it.
So they want people to look at it, but not anything else?
I'm afraid that you're asking for something I cannot give.

I recommend you think twice before you release your works to the public domain, because that is something you cannot undo.


Of course, I don't support plagiarism, but sometimes it can prove difficult to identify the original artwork or author. Personally, I recommend a system by which an author submits their work to a trustworthy place that will always attach their art to their identity.

 

[donut3.5]

See, if you release data to the public domain, you've released it to the public domain, and there isn't a thing you can do about it.

I trust that people will regard my wishes. That's about all I can do, and for now, it's good enough for me.

The author is kinda asking a lot in this case.
Why did they release their work in the first place?
So that people can look at it/listen to it/create a fetish shrine with it/edit it/plagiarize it/paint it to a duck/memefy it/sacrifice it to the god Khabreezoo/need I go on?
Let's go with an easy one: So that people can look at it.
So they want people to look at it, but not anything else?
I'm afraid that you're asking for something I cannot give.

..so that people can use the model in their map? what else?
--donut3.5--

 

[Zerox]

The author has a right to data I have on my computer? See, if you release data to the public domain, you've released it to the public domain, and there isn't a thing you can do about it.

Well said. It makes sense. At least to me. I never thought of it that way but its kind of true. XD But thats not going to stop me from making models. Besides if someone likes something I've made enough to steal something it. Then I guess I should be proud huh? For me I make models because I enjoy it and I feel its a way I can have fun and yet still bring something to other people that they can enjoy as well. Have you noticed I never demand credit like so many other people do? I say it'd be nice but for me it again just comes down to hey if its used that means they liked it. And that in turn makes me happy.

Of course, I don't support plagiarism, but sometimes it can prove difficult to identify the original artwork or author. Personally, I recommend a system by which an author submits their work to a trustworthy place that will always attach their art to their identity.

Yes I so agree. Stealing someone else's work and claiming it to be your own is absolutely horrible. One of the things you guys have come up with is that "What if the author doesn't want it uploaded to some other site?" And really that makes sense. Thats why for such a site where people were allowed to upload things made by other people, there would have to be a rule system that was on the author's side. The rule would go like this: Any resource uploaded that was made by another user Must give credit to the original author and state who they were. Unless in some cases where there it is not known who created the resource it should be marked unknown. If a resource is marked unknown it will remain that way until someone says who made it and then after finding out who the creator was and verifying it they will be given the proper credit. In an odd case where a user claims to be the creator of a resource and they do not want it on the site, they will have to give proof that they are the original creator and it will be examined and verified immediately. In cases where its proven that they are in fact the original creator their resource will be removed immediately and apologies will be given to them. This would create a positive atmosphere where their were minor problems and where people could feel safe about it being on the site. These rules would of course be enforced. Things such as WoW rips etc. Would be removed immediately and the user given a warning and then if they continue to do so they will be banned permanently.

Does that make any of you think it would be a better idea?

 

[Hakeem]

I trust that people will regard my wishes.

..so that people can use the model in their map? what else?

I wasn't referring strictly to models, but to all forms of art in general.

Besides if someone likes something I've made enough to steal something it. Then I guess I should be proud huh?

That's what I would be.

 

[donut3.5]

I wasn't referring strictly to models, but to all forms of art in general.

..read the topic of the thread..

Sure it may seem foolish, but I've gotten several PM's asking if my models could be edited. Therefore I know my trust is at least somewhat valid.
--donut3.5--

 

[Zerox]

The topic of the thread is just a what if a site like this existed. Where all warcraft resource type things were submitted. And no comments on the rules I thought would work for such a site okay. XD

 

[donut3.5]

And what else, besides Warcraft III, would you use Warcraft III resources for?
--donut3.5--

 

[Zerox]

Um Warcraft I guess thats all you really can use them for. XD

 

[Hakeem]

..read the topic of the thread..

I wasn't referring strictly to models

Key word: "strictly".

 

[Steel_Stallion]

The topic of the thread is just a what if a site like this existed. Where all warcraft resource type things were submitted. And no comments on the rules I thought would work for such a site okay. XD

Such sites exist, but It is against the rules to link.

 

[Zerox]

Such sites exist, but It is against the rules to link.

According to Purplepoot there are certain sites that are allowed.