Legendary Terrains

Celaquil · May 17, 2009

ArcticInferno said:
He refuses to let any of his terrains become classified under legendary, I think.

Modesty ^^

I laugh at thine comment.

raid1000 · May 17, 2009

i smell sarcasm...
but hey if i haven't refused to add my terrains to this thread, that would have meant that all my terrains should have been added to this thread
[/modesty]

FrIkY · May 17, 2009

How about that Hell terrain you made, that's epic, and legendary?

Celaquil · May 17, 2009

The thing is, Friky, and about everyone else. None of raid's pics are revolutionary, nor legendary. Their many of them epic, and very nice. But their either building on ideas that this thread already have, or their not inventive enough. You see, his robot for instance might be better than the robot that is in this thread, but that robot was made when none other had ever thought about it, now raid could've seen that terrain and decided to make one himself, that means he get inspiration from that terrain; thus he isnt doing anything new.

And the hell terrain is extremely nice, but what is it that is in that terrain which other terrains doesnt have?

frostwhisper · May 17, 2009

Speaking of robots... do my abominatins count as "revolutionary"? I've never asked...

~Void~ · May 17, 2009

Maybe that one with the glowing red sword...

frostwhisper · May 17, 2009

Hmmmz... you willing to stand for it?

Belgarath · May 18, 2009

Noooot really, since you copied the idea off SC2's TerraTron

+we have giant robotz
(and there's been heaps of them, just not in your style ;p)

frostwhisper · May 18, 2009

The red one was actually stand-alone. Without any inspiration and all that.
But if you say so...

Belgarath · May 20, 2009

I mean, the base idea is from there, isn't it?

I haven't seen any UD Terratrons either :0

frostwhisper · May 20, 2009

Well... the base idea comes from 2-P's Digital Love terrain. It's a whole different concept to me.

Belgarath · May 21, 2009

Digital Love? I don't look at wc3c, sorry :/
But then also - if the base idea is from there.. D:

frostwhisper · May 21, 2009

I get your drift.

Belgarath · May 21, 2009

I don't quite see where I'm going with this myself... could you post the red one? CBF looking at your case >_>
Maybe it should be in here, I don't think I've actually seen it, I'm just assuming one is that one.

Also: nominating my entry for the dream castle contest for this thread kthx

frostwhisper · May 21, 2009

Gummifrog · May 21, 2009

Fuck i love Voids Tower of Babel

thedeathunterxx · May 22, 2009

lol no lie, but thats is the coolest shit ive ever seen ...ever

Belgarath · May 22, 2009

Wwweeeeellll, it's pretty awesome, but it lacks that "damn" when I look at the terrains, for example, your dolphin one, I did "damn" when I saw it, y'know?

frostwhisper · May 22, 2009

frostwhisper said:
I get your drift.

I know

Nbah · May 22, 2009

I'm pretty sure those orcs are saying damn

thedeathunterxx · May 23, 2009

lmaoo xD

Oziris · May 23, 2009

If you dont look at the Structure for a moment ( it's pretty Awesome ! ) you will see that those rocks are floating!
If Void said that the terrain should be perfect before putting it into the Legendary thread, fix every simple shit in the terrain

I dont really like the columns, add Demon columns

frostwhisper · May 24, 2009

Demon columns look out of place as they are already part of the machine.
The map's gone anyway, so it won't be "fixed". Let's let the matter rest

crl · May 29, 2009

make more of that and you may become game-famous

Oziris · Jun 1, 2009

I still don't understand how did MadseN create Lordaeron Summer terrain!!!!
any ideas???

2-P · Jun 1, 2009

Probably with the World Editor.

Oziris · Jun 1, 2009

I meant how has he done the good background....

~Void~ · Jun 1, 2009

It's not too complicated, actually. I still have some of the maps he gave me of the Azjol-Nerub one and some other thing, if I can find them, all he really does is place stuff in perspective so that it looks more complicated than it is.

Gilles · Jun 4, 2009

When did that high-res terrain make the legendary cut? Damn it.

Eleandor · Jun 4, 2009

IMO

Frostwhisper & FamousPker49 - The Burning Sky
[Death] - Waterfall
Frostwhisper - Shipwreck

don't belong here. At least, if you want to have these 3 pictures in here, you're gonna have to add hundreds more that are better or of equal quality.
I've seen other terrains that would fit this thread waaay more. Frostwhisper for instance has made terrains much better than those 2 ...

Stuff like Raid's wolf's lair are way better.

frostwhisper · Jun 4, 2009

Yeeeeah, we've gone over that. Overrulled.

~Void~ · Jun 4, 2009

Eleandor said:
Frostwhisper & FamousPker49 - The Burning Sky

Really? I loved that one... and I don't think Raid's wolf's lair would be around right now, or look quite as nice as it does, if that wasn't made. Notice how everyone started using colored lighting after they saw that.

Eleandor · Jun 4, 2009

1) The link seems broken here (picture doesn't show up - so does the arthas picture you made)
2) I personally think the lightning is about the worst thing of the screenshot...

About the raid screenshot: I don't think the newly added high-res picture would be around if it wasn't because of raid's castles, all the high-res screens, and the lighting technique? It's not just the red fog, it's also the best castle I've ever seen in war3.

Nbah · Jun 4, 2009

You are very wrong if you think the lightning is bad in that picture. Bah, when will people understand how unique and awesome that screenie was in the days. It's terrains like that, which bring nowadays bullshit terrains to awesome standards.

Eleandor · Jun 4, 2009

That screenshot isn't *that* old. It's not the very first picture that uses lighting...

~Void~ · Jun 4, 2009

Eleandor said:
1) The link seems broken here (picture doesn't show up - so does the arthas picture you made)
2) I personally think the lightning is about the worst thing of the screenshot...

About the raid screenshot: I don't think the newly added high-res picture would be around if it wasn't because of raid's castles, all the high-res screens, and the lighting technique? It's not just the red fog, it's also the best castle I've ever seen in war3.

Christ no. First of all, Corexx is from a different website, so most of his stuff is original or inspired by people at that site. Secondly, well, hi res stuff has been around for ages.

Eleandor · Jun 4, 2009

Ok, to give you an example:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/terrain-board-267/tower-of-babel-99994/, submitted 2 days before. Also uses fog to create lighting & atmosphere. Differences? You use cloud model and don't just fogspam. Because basically, that's fogspam. It looks like what I would do if I want to use the fogmodel for atmosphere; just spam it.

Oh and the corexx thing: that screen is submitted here, so he can't be blind for the other terrains submitted here. Secondly: who's talking about originality? Raid's castle is original too, isn't it? Or is it not original because it uses the fog model? In that case, the burning sky isn't original either.

Mr.Goblin · Jun 5, 2009

how come raid100's Azteque castled or simply raid100's new castle (with the orange fog) not here?, i find them.. much more legendary than some of the screenshots that belongs in this thread also.. D:

......?! = says the goblin

~Void~ · Jun 5, 2009

We've already discussed this, really. I don't like things about them and he doesn't like to fix them

Mr.Goblin · Jun 5, 2009

Faire anof..

grr.. i want one of my terrain up here

(looks at Void)

frostwhisper · Jun 5, 2009

It doesn't work that way, Goblin.
Grow up and learn the system.

HFR · Jun 5, 2009

Mr.Goblin said:
Faire anof.. grr.. i want one of my terrain up here (looks at Void)

I just have to rofl at this. Mr. Goblin, having one terrain here is like having your drawing in the Louvre.

/metaphora

Belgarath · Jun 5, 2009

HFR said:
I just have to rofl at this. Mr. Goblin, having one terrain here is like having your drawing in the Louvre.

/metaphora

I just have to rofl at this. You do realize that everyone says they want a terrain of theirs in here?
IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS I HAD ONE IN HERE I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS BIRDS EYE VIEW AND MASTURBATABLE

thedeathunterxx · Jun 5, 2009

lmfao

i think everyone wants there one in here (lol i do to)

but i do agree wit goblin though... who is makin the decsions for legendaries to be in here anyway ? is it famouspker ? Or Void ?? Both ?? is there some sort of committee out here...

and maybe one day we can get a legndary terrain in here that DOESNT use the UTM or HRMP ... just a map with no imports...

Corexx · Jun 5, 2009

Actually I do not want to be in here.
Well, at least not with those pictures ( ancientking & robot ).

On the other side the "Legendary Thread" isn´t a showcase only for uberpwnage-screenshots but innovative screenshots aswell ( even when they aren´t that good looking ).
Nevertheless I wonder why raid isn´t in here. Wolfs lair should be legendary enough.

@Eleandor:
You´re right, I was inspired by raid´s fortress.
Not of his architecture, enviroment or lightning but of the size of the building as a whole.
After I saw it the first time and mentioned the TMCIV some days later I thought I have to build something more epic ( with high-res of course ).
And so I did.

Mr.Goblin · Jun 5, 2009

bah.. no guys, for shure it was a joke.. but not that much

, cause me an void are planing on making a Co-up terrain together.. but anyway...

Eleandor · Jun 5, 2009

Corexx said:
Actually I do not want to be in here.
Well, at least not with those pictures ( ancientking & robot ).

On the other side the "Legendary Thread" isn´t a showcase only for uberpwnage-screenshots but innovative screenshots aswell ( even when they aren´t that good looking ).

I know that, there are more screens in this thread that aren't that "awesome" looking for today's standards. But still, I've been around for quite some time now and I know where certain screens innovate. I just can't seem to find innovation in the 3 screenshots I listed. Neither can I find innovation in screenshots like your castle that was recently added. Oh, yeah, for sure it looks fantastic. Better than I could ever do. But innovative? No...

So no, I don't want to offend void or anyone else, but I think something is really wrong with the standards used for deciding what screenshots belong here and what don't. And if that's not open for discussion then I think something is wrong with the forums...

frostwhisper · Jun 5, 2009

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

In this case however, it has no weight. So you might as well stand down and let this fail-thread (because it generates so. much. damn. whining) be.

Ziggen · Jun 5, 2009

Hasn't raid said that he doesn't want to be in here?

And I personally don't feel like: "Oh mai gawd i haf to get in teh legendary thread!"
I just do terrains for fun and put the successful ones up on the forum to get some appreciation and critique, and if I somehow manage to get on this thread then, well, that'd be cool, but it's not something I'm aiming at.

~Void~ · Jun 5, 2009

I decide to put terrains in here for several reasons. The most important thing that, in my opinion, makes a terrain not just amazing looking but LEGENDARY, is if it starts a new technique, creates a new way for people to do things. Of course it has to look exceptional as well, but originality and becoming an influence is what makes a piece cross the barrier between good and legendary. This is the same for art, music, and just about everything.

To make an example with art, go look in our concept art forums, and you will see hundreds of absolutely AMAZING looking pieces. For example bananaHUNT's guitarist sketch, some of Kimberly's art, some of Elenai's art etc. However, do you think they started anything new? No, of course not, because they learned their techniques from someone else, who learned them from someone else, etc. There are many many paintings out there that look better than the mona lisa, for example, but we remember the mona lisa because it was so revolutionary for its time, and so exceptionally well-done.

To make an example with music, there are no doubt songs better than those of the Beatles, but we remember the beatles for how they revolutionized the art of music, how they created rock into a whole new genre. We remember led zeppelin not because they made the best music ever even now, but because they pioneered a new look at rock/metal.

I decided Corexx's recent terrain should go up here simply because it was the first hi-res castle made out of doodads like that which had ever surfaced on the hive that actually looked really really good and was very well-done. With raid's stuff, well those castles and things like it have been done before, sure he started the whole hi-res cliffs thing, but that's just using a model that's been there the whole time in the exact way it was intended to be used. If he made a building out of them, and did it well, that would be legendary.

Do you understand now?