Kudos to Blizzard!

[mrzwach]

For making SC2 unplayable with insane lag.

Seriously, what the hell? I can't even test out maps by myself because I lag out and get dropped from my own game (with no one else in it).

As a side note, they also managed to make Ultralisks even worse than they already were.

 

[Arowanna]

I understand your concern, but why take it here?
Take it to Blizzard mate, they won't really hear you here

 

[mrzwach]

Already did!

More of just venting because I'm irritated at the fact that I can't play anything at all.

 

[PurplePoot]

It's a beta, not a free game license. Shit is bound to happen, hence beta.

God, you people...

 

[thelifelessone]

Beta or not, they could at least fix the servers... It honestly can't be that hard.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

It's a beta, not a free game license. Shit is bound to happen, hence beta.

God, you people...

Yes its beta, but anyway, any anomaly that appears, people should report.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

 

[Serbianbeast]

Touche!

 

[Hawkwing]

I am yet to be dropped in a game. Though the lag sucks.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

I just started enjoying a little game called Hex'd on custom games since i didnt want to start ladder with the drops but also got disced and couldnt play it too.

 

[Hawkwing]

I can't even get into a lobby anymore.

Oh, how the tables have turned!

 

[PurplePoot]

Yes its beta, but anyway, any anomaly that appears, people should report.

This isn't reporting. It's already been reported far more than necessary, in places that blue actually reads.

This is pointless bitching because people can't play their free game.

 

[mrzwach]

Actually I paid for the game to get this beta key, so not really free.

 

[splashy5]

Actually I paid for the game to get this beta key, so not really free.

you paid for the pre-order, but the beta-key came free

 

[PurplePoot]

But you're getting the game at the same price as everyone else, so yes, the Beta is more or less free.

Also, you knowingly came into it as a beta.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

The lagging out is a symptom of an even greater problem: Blizzard hosts everything.

I know why Blizzard hosts all of the melee games. I can understand why Blizzard would like to make sure nobody is playing premium maps locally or using custom servers. But they pulled it off miserably. The battle.net service should be a client to the host of each custom game that monitors the proceeds. They could even make the client be a requirement for the game to continue, but that would only require a periodic encrypted message to and fro, which doesn't really add any lag.

But they chose to host every damned game on the network. Obviously, this is going to cause a lot of problems for some people, since the reliability of the online play will be completely out of the players' control. In fact, almost every part of it will be out of the players'/host's control.

Combine this with the absolutely terrible custom game UI, and you've got yourself a nightmare.

 

[mrzwach]

But you're getting the game at the same price as everyone else, so yes, the Beta is more or less free.

Also, you knowingly came into it as a beta.

Here, I'll try and help you understand my point.

Let's say you were sitting at a table somewhere, and were hungry. Suddenly, someone gives you a cake and lets you eat it! This is all fine and good, until ten seconds later they pick up the cake and smash it on the floor. Upon you expressing disapproval that your cake is on the floor, they reply that it wasn't your cake and that you didn't pay for it so they reserve the right to do whatever the hell they want to the cake. Yeah, they might be right, but it still would be annoying and you would still seem reasonable complaining about it.

 

[PurplePoot]

Here, I'll try and help you understand my point.

Let's say you were sitting at a table somewhere, and were hungry. Suddenly, someone gives you a cake and lets you eat it! This is all fine and good, until ten seconds later they pick up the cake and smash it on the floor. Upon you expressing disapproval that your cake is on the floor, they reply that it wasn't your cake and that you didn't pay for it so they reserve the right to do whatever the hell they want to the cake. Yeah, they might be right, but it still would be annoying and you would still seem reasonable complaining about it.

An actually accurate analogy:

You are invited to taste-test cakes. You accept, and enjoy plenty of good cakes. Eventually, a few are off, and you freak out at them for not having made perfect cakes, bitching on and on and on even after they know that their cake was not in fact perfect. Other taste testers get tired of you and your like-minded testers going on about it, and ask you to please be quiet.

 

[mrzwach]

My problem isn't that it is just a little off, its that its completely unplayable atm.

Though they fixed the lag issue, but now the servers are down and we can't play anything.

._.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The sad truth is blizzard is doing this for these reasons.
* No custom kick.
* No advertisment host bots.
* No illegal hosting of premium maps.
* No tampering with host behaviour like slot swapping into invalid slots.
* Everyone can host.

However this leads to these problems...
* Players can be kicked from their own games when playing alone (eg if everyone has left to see how a map ends).
* No such feature as LAN play, meaning huge network traffic even if your friend next to you have hosted.
* Server instability and unreliability might mean spontanious game disolves every once in a while without warning.
* Huge number of servers required to run games.

The red problem is the largest downside. Servers are not free and as you can guess there will be need for a great number of them. The good news is that im pretty sure all the servers do is act as a packet router, aka they basically send confirmations and keep game in sync so there should be extreemly little processing load per game. The bad news is 300000 players sending and receiving data for games will eat quite a substantial quantity of bandwidth, which aint free.

Fortunatly WoW might actually save the day for this, as they can probably use idle resources from WoW servers and pick up more resources cheaply to help keep costs low. Thus the cost for this could be dwarfed and so be minor.

I will also point you guys to diablo II which does exatly this. All games are hosted on battlenet servers. Each Diablo II game probably uses far more resources than a SC2 custom map cause I do not think it actually has to calculate anything. It was doable 10 years ago for no extra cost so it probably is doable now.

 

[PurplePoot]

This isn't really the case though, since pre-patch there were no issues. They presumably screwed something up with the UDP code.

Also, mrz, the servers are presumably down to fix the issue.

 

[tagg1080]

So, it is back up and working, but you can't play any custom games, lol

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

An actually accurate analogy:

You are invited to taste-test cakes. You accept, and enjoy plenty of good cakes. ******Eventually, a few are off, and you freak out at them for not having made perfect cakes, bitching on and on and on even after they know that their cake was not in fact perfect. Other taste testers get tired of you and your like-minded testers going on about it, and ask you to please be quiet.

Correction: Eventually, the cakes they give you are not in fact cake, but cyanide bricks covered in sugar. You complain that they couldn't possibly call these cakes and wonder why they would switch to such a thing when they had perfectly good cakes for a month or so, and then people start using analogies about some thing involving making stars and greek letters.

 

[mrzwach]

On a side note, custom maps are no longer playable.

Though lag is 100% fixed!

 

[PSGMud]

Would also like to add, idle resources most likely extend beyond just wow. Cloud computing ftw.

I wouldn't worry about it to much. This is a very typical reaction to a problem that just occurred, people think the sky is falling all the time, especially in a beta game.

Although this did stop me from making my project the first couple weeks of the editor release... so I am just as bad. Perhaps it is something more that made me stop... most likely.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Currently the problem is screwing up events and tournaments turning it into chaos the same way the IS volcano turnt flight schedules into chaos

 

[Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo]

You may not be satisfied with the Beta, true. But never bitch about it.
It's a frigging Beta. Next time wait for game release, you can complain about these issues all day then. But right now, everyone knows about the problems and bitching about it furthermore is retarded.

 

[Agarwa3n]

On a side note, custom maps are no longer playable.

Though lag is 100% fixed!

Dont be so sure yet.. I just got dropped from a game :/

There are far more serious issues that need to be adressed than a temporary server issue.

 

[mjllonir]

Custom Games have been disabled a bit...I'm pretty sure it's to fix up the lag that we have been getting.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

If Blizzard hosts all of the maps themselves and can do it correctly, it's okay.

But we can all agree that they've got to do something about that fucking custom games UI. It's horrible.

PROBLEM: I mean, seriously, the popular maps stay at the top of the list and the new maps don't have much of a chance to even be SEEN by most players.
FIX: Sort games by time of creation rather than by popularity, and get rid of that stupid "SHOW MORE" button. This way, as in the other Blizzard games, every map has a chance to be browsed.
FIX PART 2: Optionally, have a "Play Random Map" button that puts you in a random game, with a checkbox to allow or disallow playing a map that you've played before.
FIX PART 3: Allow a like/dislike/favorite system to augment the popularity gague with the ratings. Either add a second 5-star thing next to the gague, or just multiply the map's standing by the ratings it gets (logarithmic scale -- all popular maps have high ratings, so a 0.4 point difference is like an unpopular map's 1-point difference).

PROBLEM: The list is clunky and offers very little info.
FIX: Pretty obvious; have info on the host, the players or amount of players, the game modes, the ping, etc on the list or at least on the side when you click the map in the list.
FIX PART 2: Allow custom game names in the custom games screen. Seriously, it really makes the thing have more of a psychological connect.

 

[Dr Super Good]

They need to catorgrise custom maps better. With 10000 custom maps it will be impossible to find anything you want.

There should be a recently played list, a favorite list (where you add maps you want to play again), a view by month (lists all custom maps in monthly blocks for you to scrole through) and a previously played list. Additionally there needs to be a map search function which lets you search for maps which you can not find. There should also be a recalled map list for maps which were taken down where you can not play them, but you can find out what happened to a map.

On top of that there needs to be more sorting catorgies as I do not want to view 100s pf wars and AoS maps to find decent friendly play maps.

 

[mrzwach]

and they need to fix the categories >_>


Right now people just have retarded crap for categories.

 

[mjllonir]

There is a Recently Played list last time I checked...

 

[mrzwach]

But if you want to FIND a new map, its harder.

Also, the recently played list is broken for now so meh.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The recently played list is for what other people recently hosted I think, and not what you have.

 

[MrApples]

Indeed.

 

[ShadowFlare]

You may not be satisfied with the Beta, true. But never bitch about it.
It's a frigging Beta. Next time wait for game release, you can complain about these issues all day then. But right now, everyone knows about the problems and bitching about it furthermore is retarded.

Obviously, you don't understand what a beta actually is, were testing all the issues that the game may have or might get. And I have read the whole thread, and it does not seem like "Bitching" to me, seems like were having a reasonable discussion on the problems at hand and their possible solutions; as this is a sponsored site, Blizzard may be looking at these threads from time to time. Thus saying again, this is a Beta.

OT: I was not here when the custom games portion came out, and so I tried to get into the game, and it froze at the login screen. Closed out, and gave me the send error message. Wrote a message and sent the error message (This is before I read this thread) and I was wondering if this problem is due to them closing the servers or not? I also have had this kind of problem in the past where it will freeze and I would restart my computer and the game works fine, but now even when I restart my computer the game still freezes.

On the Custom UI, I would like to see a Recently Joined game list option, because many times on Warcraft 3, I would be kicked for ping, or other reasons, and don't remember the name of the game I joined, and never see it on the Custom Game list again.

 

[Just_Spectating]

strange.

my computer is made of WOOD and it doesnt really lag for me

 

[mrzwach]

They fixed the lag for most of the game, only thing that lags right now is 4v4.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

I played a few games of 2v2 and 3v3 today. Well, not so much played, but entered the game and promptly had one of these things happen:

1. The gameplay freezes after a few seconds and the only thing you can do is quit the game or chat with your party members or friends.
2. "You have been dropped."
3. Enormous lag for a while until enough people leave or drop for the game to default to a victory/defeat.
4. The game miraculously works fine. Oh, wait, just kidding.

 

[mjllonir]

Well guys, it seems that they are currently working on the issue, as of right now the servers are "down". You can log in, but you can't do more than that.

 

[fancy]

Man, I got a problem to!
I can't join or create a game with user made maps in it.
WTF?!

 

[mrzwach]

Yeah, blizz removed custom game support yesterday when the servers went back up.


Should be fixed soon.

 

[mjllonir]

Lol, I hope so, otherwise I think they should make the BETA period longer to compensate for it

 

[Dr Super Good]

Custom games still are down in the EU. Sigh.

 

[tagg1080]

That release date was picked a little early, eh?

 

[mjllonir]

Custom games still are down in the EU. Sigh.

From what I've heard, they're going to be down for the rest of the BETA (This part that is). My guess is that they will re-open them during the last few weeks of the BETA before the release of the game.

And they are still down here as well (NA)

I must say that they did fix up the server lag quite a bit *>.>, I suppose that's a +.

 

[Dr Super Good]

They are up. Just to conclude this thread.

 

[mrzwach]

Just played a private game with 2 friends.

Laggy as shit. Significantly worse than before.

Just, wow.

 

[tagg1080]

It seems fine if you have solid internet.

I played one with 4 people total, at our houses, and we were perfectly fine.

But some of the random ones are laggyyyyyyyy

It is based on your internet.