Knock-Back 3D - MMS 3D V. 3.2.1

[Malhorne]

Keyboard macros -> You press a special key and your pc reacts as the sequence you programmed.

 

[chobibo]

EDIT: Moving to VM.

 

[Malhorne]

Oh sorry ...
Didn't know the good word xD
French words :/

 

[T. D. W.]

i'll run tests

 

[Deleted member 219079]

This was below 100:

At the point where audio stopped, it was on 32x speed.

Edit: It might be inevitable, dunno...

 

[T. D. W.]

what the................

i'll try with a low graphical dummy, so that lag can not be the cause of that, like in your video, the fps was <1 i think

EDIT: TESTED

with lower graphic, arrow missile model, and the following specs:
50xcasted at the same instance (trigger spam), the game lagged, obviously, because KB3D itself starts to lag after handling 250 + active instances, and if we count: 50x36 = 1800 active instances (WTF, 3600 with 100x)
this was the result:
1 arrow was still alive, i'll run more in a moment

EDIT2: TESTED with 20x casts = 720 instances
No arrows left!

I also tested with 100x casts = 3600 active instances
and only one arrow was left, just like with 50 casts
so i guess you shouldn't use the system with like 1000+ active instances

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Oh, okay. But it's not Warcraft's fault; I can reach 2 100 dummies (using your shockwave model) with 6-7 fps, still my spell removing them all properly.

...But my spell is shit, which I created the same month I joined xd so it doesn't do that much, just creates dummies and damages on dummy's death.

Imma try to get to the 0 fps and see if it is at the end Warcraft's fault, but damn my fingers gonna hurt after that... TT

And yes I understand there's nothing wrong with your system when on ordinary use... I'm just bored xD

 

[T. D. W.]

Imma try to get to the 0 fps and see if it is at the end Warcraft's fault, but damn my fingers gonna hurt after that... TT

Override the cast of the ability:

• Test X1
  • Events
    • Player - Player 1 (Red) types a chat message containing 0 as An exact match
    • Time - Elapsed game time is 3.00 seconds
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • For each (Integer A) from 0 to (36 x 100), do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Unit - Create 1 Footman for Player 1 (Red) at (Position of Mountain King 0123 <gen>) facing (10.00 x (Real((Integer A)))) degrees
        • Set KB3D_Accel = -750.00
        • Set KB3D_D_MECHANICAL = True
        • Set KB3D_KillatEnd = True
        • Set KB3D_AllowOutSiding = True
        • Set KB3D_Angle = (Facing of (Last created unit))
        • Set KB3D_Arc = 8.00
        • Set KB3D_FaceAngle = True
        • Set KB3D_DestroyTree = True
        • Set KB3D_DisableUnit = True
        • Set KB3D_Fx = <Empty String>
        • Set KB3D_Attach = <Empty String>
        • Set KB3D_Range = 1000.00
        • Set KB3D_Speed = 1500.00
        • Set KB3D_Targeted_Unit = No unit
        • Set KB3D_Unit = (Last created unit)
        • Set KB3D_UnpathableStop = False
        • Set KB3D_Zoffset = 0.00
        • Set KB3D_TrailFx = <Empty String>
        • Set KB3D_Damager = (Last created unit)
        • Set KB3D_LoopDamage = 0.00
        • Set KB3D_AoEDamage = 50.00
        • Set KB3D_AoE = 250.00
        • Set KB3D_ImpactDamage = 0.00
        • Set KB3D_AttackType = Magic
        • Set KB3D_DamageType = Magic
        • Custom script: call ExecuteFunc( "KB3D_Registration" )
    • Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)

so with that it will happen at 3s of game time 100x times!

 

[Deleted member 219079]

I already did the test (using mah crappy spell).
I got to 12 997 dummies on the map, 2 fps left.
But then I got critical error (due to full memory), which means I never got to 0 fps.
I will do the test again, I will stop at the ~11k so it won't crash WC.

Edit: Okay, there's not a chance to get to 0fps with my spell before receiving a memory error.

 

[chobibo]

Something must be wrong with the indexing or the hashtable isn't keeping up with the bulk save and load.

 

[T. D. W.]

I already did the test (using mah crappy spell).
I got to 12 997 dummies on the map, 2 fps left.
But then I got critical error (due to full memory), which means I never got to 0 fps.
I will do the test again, I will stop at the ~11k so it won't crash WC.

WHAT THE HELL, lol, maybe change the model for a more expensive model (particles)

Something must be wrong with the indexing or the hashtable isn't keeping up with the bulk save and load.

Dude, we're talking about 1000+ active instances, it's more like insane ! just take a minute thinking that 1000 units are being moved by the system.... you'll realize this number is EPIC, HUGE

 

[chobibo]

Dude, we're talking about 1000+ active instances, it's more like insane ! just take a minute thinking that 1000 units are being moved by the system.... you'll realize this number is EPIC, HUGE

Doesn't matter how many there is, if the indexing wasn't bugged (or the hashtable is failing?), there wouldn't be a rogue missile. Don't blame it on the numbers, debug.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Dat reaction

However my spell is too light to cause enough lag before memory maxing. But would it really be possible to make lag cause Warcraft 3 to skip indexes of your system?

Edit: What indexing method you use anyway? just curious...

 

[chobibo]

It can, if a limit op is reached within the timer callback semi-thread. Just look at the timer callback, there's a shitload of Hashtable calls.
EDIT: Wait, maybe not, it would still be deindexed, it would just be delayed. I can't possibly be sure, since the code looks like spaghetti to me because of the hashtable calls.

 

[T. D. W.]

My theories :3
IF, the system is fully working with 1762 and less ACTIVE instances at the same time without bugging, i guess there is really that delay that buggs the system
i tested a lot!
and here is what i got, with the light arrow missile, 1762 instances of the system won't bug! 1763 will start to bug, with 1 and sometimes 2 arrows not killed
so i guess that delay (OMFG it takes a lot of time so that the lag ends) is related to the bug, and i think hashtables are related too

What indexing method you use anyway? just curious...

indexed hashtable, rofl, i just invented that name
there is a counter, that increases at each registration of a KB, and instances, when one instance ends, instances are decreased by one, and when instances reach 0, counter is set to 0, meanwhile instance that are inactive won't get run

 

[chobibo]

The limit op might have caused it. Hint: shitload of hashtable calls.

 

[T. D. W.]

Performance only: I bet it loses a benchmark vs Cokemonkey's Knockback 3D.

i think i also said that hashtables and vJASS usage were the cause of that :/
so yeah, let's blame blizzard for making that shitty JAWS

 

[chobibo]

At least you aren't using gamecache like we used to. haha xD

 

[T. D. W.]

//topic closed (unless further news are found)
because we spammed a LOT of comments now

 

[Vinz]

NOPE. Okay, revert to dynamic hash indexing. Current Index = MaxIndex then prevent 1.7k instances.

 

[edo494]

imo,
shitty jass or not, it is bug that should get fixed one way or another

 

[T. D. W.]

NOPE. Okay, revert to dynamic hash indexing. Current Index = MaxIndex then prevent 1.7k instances.

tried so, failed (and the 1.7k instances are fired at the same time, looped more exactly, see the trigger in the page 38

shitty jass or not, it is bug that should get fixed one way or another

i'll see a workaround for that... shit forgot how i was going to try to solve this :/
Edit, and i still can't figure which crazy user will have 1763 instances of the KB that weill freeze the game for 30 s...... ._.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Edit, and i still can't figure which crazy user will have 1763 instances of the KB that weill freeze the game for 30 s...... ._.

*slowly raises his hand*

 

[chobibo]

 

[edo494]

the instances can be spread all over the map, and most of the lag is because of visuals, and if they are fogged the lag can only be generated from running script

 

[T. D. W.]

*teaser*

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Imma rape that system with my tests the second it comes out

 

[T. D. W.]

Lol, gonna take time though (to make the system)

 

[edo494]

I disapprove(and thats why you still have 4/5) having one system that has 70+ features, try do that in Jass section and you will get raped

you should just make core, and then sumbit shit like the Boulder etc as independant system, Im fun of modularity like in Unit Indexer(settings module with 1 global, lolwut) but some modularity is required I would say

 

[T. D. W.]

Mago and Neth told me that, but i said no...
i'll tell you something.. if i make this system to myself, and share it here, adn after that, people really like it and use it.. then why not

and for the love of hive, this rap thing is nonsense
i don't think people here, with whatsoever knowledge or rank, are allowed to restrict others to do something they don't want (disregarding required stuff, ex: leak clear, JPAG) by this i mean if i want to make a system that has let's say 100 features, people are not allowed to tell me, don't do this, separate each and every feature into a different resource, even with the sake of efficiency, i think having one trigger with 1k lines of code and being able to do A LOT with it perfectly is better than having a WALL of TRIGGERS each for every feature (i'll remind you that there is 60, 70+ features, which will generate more than 0.5k x 60 = 30k lines of code, not counting the amount of added variables, members, structs............)



EDIT: i hope this makes an earthquake

 

[chobibo]

Chill dude, he wasn't restricting you, he was just saying his opinion. He's also right about the jass section, they favor modularity, which isn't a bad thing as what you think.

 

[T. D. W.]

i did say in the first 3 words, Mago and Neth, i wasn't targeting edo, and i was too stating my opinion

 

[edo494]

what if I want the core, and not some shitty boulder sliding all around the map lagging the fuck out?

"i don't think people here, with whatsoever knowledge or rank" you cant know if someone with 0 posts has knowledge of jass or not, also rank =/= brain

yes system with 100 features, from which you dont need 85 or even 95 systems, will just drop performance significantly because you will keep checking things that the user doesnt even want

Lets have a look:

Jump
Line Damage
AoE Damage
Loop Damage
Unit DPS
Destructable Destroyer (intelligent)
Bouncing Ball
Missile
Attack Missile
Cyclone Movement
Black Hole Simulation
Homing Movement
Acceleration to a Unit
Realistic Missile

Unit DPS, Missile, AoE Damage, WHAT? this is knockback system, not recipe book for awesomeness, those things have nothing to do in here, and afaik those kind of things are not even allowed, because this is spell and system pack(may be wrong)

since when does number of lines matter? I can find model that has more KB than whole Dota's .w3t file

ps: posting this took so long because I was waiting for answer on 1 question

 

[chobibo]

Doesn't look like an opinion to me, it looks like a rebuttal. You're previous post was clearly a reply to edo's post.

EDIT:

rank =/= brain

Ouch! I got hit argh...

 

[T. D. W.]

what if I want the core, and not some shitty boulder sliding all around the map lagging the fuck out?

I'll say nothing, since they are OFF by default, disregarding the following

you cant know if someone with 0 posts has knowledge of jass or not, also rank =/= brain

I know that, BPower is one of the best examples, he is really good when i see him reviewing systems/spells, yet he can seem like a newbie if you look at the rep/posts

yes system with 100 features, from which you dont need 85 or even 95 systems, will just drop performance significantly because you will keep checking things that the user doesnt even want

Then, i am not obliging you to use it, if you *only* need a KB, you can have bribe's 2D KB or CM's 3D KB
I'll say the example of Wrathion, as mush as i saw him asking questions and telling me what he is doing, he is using A LOT of the system, he also wanted to override it to change the damage in the mid-movement

Unit DPS, Missile, AoE Damage, WHAT? this is knockback system, not recipe book for awesomeness, those things have nothing to do in here, and afaik those kind of things are not even allowed, because this is spell and system pack(may be wrong)

I think if that's so, you wouldn't see this system approved with 5/5

since when does number of lines matter? I can find model that has more KB than whole Dota's .w3t file

Dunno for the number of lines

 

[edo494]

I'll say the example of Wrathion, as mush as i saw him asking questions and telling me what he is doing, he is using A LOT of the system, he also wanted to override it to change the damage in the mid-movement

so 1 user wants KB with 50 features, lets make KB with 100 features!
and also, this is Multimovement system, that still has nothing to do with Unit DPS, Missile managing or Damage handling whatsoever

I think if that's so, you wouldn't see this system approved with 5/5

there is a map that is viaolating maps rules, yet it was DC and is 5/5

Then, i am not obliging you to use it, if you *only* need a KB, you can have bribe's 2D KB or CM's 3D KB

what is the point of this resource then?

 

[T. D. W.]

so 1 user wants KB with 50 features, lets make KB with 100 features!
and also, this is Multimovement system, that still has nothing to do with Unit DPS, Missile managing or Damage handling whatsoever

the resource till now has more than 478 downloads, i can't tell you you're right in that case, and it was an example

there is a map that is viaolating maps rules, yet it was DC and is 5/5

okay, lol

what is the point of this resource then?

Multi-Movement System.... a system that moves units and also doing a hell lot of stuff too while it is moving him

 

[edo494]

so I will make unit indexing system, which will have automatic unit regeneration system, DDS system and many more, I will be indexing unit, and while I index them, I will also be detecting damage

also I can download map and either never play or just review it, number of download count means nothing

 

[chobibo]

Multi-Movement System.... a system that moves units and also doing a hell lot of stuff too while it is moving him

He doesn't mean it like that.

EDIT:

so I will make unit indexing system, which will have automatic unit regeneration system, DDS system and many more, I will be indexing unit, and while I index them, I will also be detecting damage

That sounds weird...

 

[T. D. W.]

so I will make unit indexing system, which will have automatic unit regeneration system, DDS system and many more, I will be indexing unit, and while I index them, I will also be detecting damage

Cool, and i am not kidding, if that system works really well, it can be good, except for the regeneration part that i didn't understand

also I can download map and either never play or just review it, number of download count means nothing

let's remove half of the downloads, so we have 235 downloads.... you can't tell me that only 1 uses all the feature of it, let's decrease even more, 100 real downloads, it's far more than just 1

He doesn't mean it like that.

ummmm

 

[chobibo]

Come on guys, quit arguing about the download counts and stars and shit, go back to arguing over modularity , that's more productive.

ummmm

I was referring to edo's question, I think he was saying to consider the speed freaks too.

 

[edo494]

also your argument, its turned off, you know when it would be turned off? if you static ifed the code, this way, you still check the booleans and spam ram with useless values, so no its not really disabled

 

[T. D. W.]

@chobibo, okay
@edo
I qas saying that if the user doesn't use a feature, he will not set it... I wasn't talking about the speed and such

 

[edo494]

the performance must be quite suboptimal the way you have it, if you do 60 boolean checks, I most likely can run simple SetUnitX + Y at the time you just check what is enabled and what is not

actually, worst case is like 4 loops and 45(yes, I counted them) ifs(and some are quite long) that are checked every time the loop runs

 

[T. D. W.]

I'll say again, this is not a SMS (ok lol) [simple movement system]
if you do not want it, fine, go use CM's 3D KB or make your own, i am not forcing you to use it

 

[edo494]

but please, you still didnt say what has Unit DPS, missile handling and/or Damage managing(AoE damage, DoT damage etc) anything to do with movement system, no matter if it is simple, knockback, extended or ultra super system

 

[T. D. W.]

for the missile handling, i guess it's normal, like, a movement system, which has a feature that allows easy missile handling
for the damage handlers, it was *first* a KB system, with like not more than 15 features i thought it was normal to add some damagings

but the heaviest changer in the features (why they got so many) was from requests, it was like add this, add that... i ended adding and adding till now KB3D has 62 features

 

[edo494]

still didnt answer my question
What has Damage handling or tracking Unit's DPS anything to do with KnockBack system?

And because someone asks you to make something that is compatible with this doesnt mean that it must be within the core of the Knockback, you can just make a system that requires this one

 

[T. D. W.]

Let's stop this for now, i am not gonna change KB3D, since i said i published the final product

We'll see what happens in MMS4D, and you can argue again...

For now, the features were added, KB3D was finished, end of story, we'll see what happens in chapter 2 (MMS4D)

 

[gorillabull]

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