How many players will SC2 handle??

[Shiroaisu]

Hi,

does someone have any idea about how many players will SC2 handle??

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

err from unofficial posts I read - 12, someone even mentioned 8 but no way so few players, 12 as it is in war3.

 

[Reaper2008]

Maybe even more. It's still in beta, once they get feedback on online gameplay (lag, delay etc) they'll decide. But I agree, no way less than 12.

 

[Shiroaisu]

in the first starcraft the max was 8 players. am i right??

 

[Reaper2008]

First starcraft run on DX5 and pentium 2/3. It's certain they won't go back there.

 

[Shiroaisu]

hehe.. pentium 2 ftw

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

afaik someone found a code snippet saying something like
"MaxPlayerNumber = 32"
but wc3 has 16 (4 default computer players) and with that many detailed zerglings I don't think that it will really be that many

 

[Shiroaisu]

32.. then we could make an unreal tournament in sc2 -.-

yeah i dont believe it will be 32 players too

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Bear in mind that what ppl now say SCII runs yay, is for beta and few players. How well it will run for say 3v3 4v4 ++ who knows, it may lag. I don't touch more than 2v2 but for custom maps I hope 12 players won't be too hard on the specs, coz I'd play some like Dota (Defenders of the Aliens), I mean LOL. Or they showed a shooter game like you're a spaceship and fly and kill things, that will be nice too esp with 12 players.

 

[Eldrazor]

I've heard somewhere (official blizzard vid) that they're thinking about 16 PLAYERS (non-CPU) for custom games, and I think 8 for melee... 12p games were crap in wc3 anyways

 

[Shiroaisu]

16 players would be great

 

[Eldrazor]

16 players is ideal computer-wise as well because it's one of those binary numbers (1,2,4,8, etc.). Technically wc3 had 16 player slots as well, but 4 of them were always computer and were mostly useless...

 

[Raizen]

from what ive read on the faq it says 8 is the max

 

[Shiroaisu]

oh... i see, u mean neutral hostile, neutral passive, neutral victim and so on??

 

[Maker]

16 players is ideal computer-wise as well because it's one of those binary numbers (1,2,4,8, etc.).

16 isn't ideal because of that. Also you may want to check what "binary numbers" mean.

 

[RoughneckLeader]

In the Battle.Net 2.0 video, they created a game of "DotA" and it had 10 players (I would like to note that the computer players for the north and south factions were distinctly missing). So there are for sure 10 players. I'm hoping that there is at least 12 players, if not more. More players could make ORPG maps more fun.

EDIT: For normal melee, yea I agree with the 8 player limit. 16 would be very nice.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

It seems the in-engine limit is 32. Generally, there are 4 neutral slots. Starcraft had IIRC 4 neutral slots, meaning its engine limit was 12 (8 playable). WarCraft III was of course 16 (12 playable). I'm guessing there will be 28 playable slots at the most in custom games.

 

[redmarine]

Well, Dustin Browder confirmed recently that they're supporting 12 players. However, whether they'll increase that number depended on performance he said.

 

[overload119]

16 isn't ideal because of that. Also you may want to check what "binary numbers" mean.

This.

Sometimes I read something so stupid, it makes me doubt THW.

 

[Alfagar]

32 would be an enourmous luxury for us *drools*

 

[JimBob]

A while back Blizzard said they were aiming on about 16-18 team colors excluding black, but that it didn't mean they will have 16-18 players. 12 players is more likely. I don't know if the average computer today could support 16-18 players without any lag. Just think about; if there will be 200 units max for each player than multiply that by 18 and you get about 1800 units on one map. That could get laggy. I'm not sure if the majority of people's computers can handle that?

 

[JansiGX]

18 x 200 actually makes 3600
And it's hard to believe that all 18 players will train mass small units.And engine could be some way optimized to handle many units too.

But I got to agree that there would be too much units spawned.
From other hand that won't affect custom maps that are about one hero only to every player.

 

[warman45]

i think they should have 20 for custom games *slaps self up head* HEY half of them will leave within 5 minuets anyways *says to self* you know, you got a point.

 

[JimBob]

18 x 200 actually makes 3600
And it's hard to believe that all 18 players will train mass small units.And engine could be some way optimized to handle many units too.

But I got to agree that there would be too much units spawned.
From other hand that won't affect custom maps that are about one hero only to every player.

My bad, I was doing it in my head and forgot the place holder zero. Thanks for the correction.

That is a lot of units for one map. I don't think the average computer(which SC2 is expected to be compatible with) can handle that without lag. Maybe in 5-10 years computers probably could, but I just don't see it happening right now.

12 players at the most is my guess.

 

[RoughneckLeader]

I hope we still have access to that many players anyway, for the good of non-epic maps like RPG and TPS shooter maps (I'm seeing/estimating more TPS than FPS in future maps).

 

[Teldrassil]

The highest amount of players on any of the basic melee maps in the SC2 beta is 8. 4 on 4 or 8 player FFA. When it comes to custom maps I don't know for sure, hope this helps a bit.

 

[Billy the Cat]

Somewhere I think I read it was 8 players for Ladder games and 12 for non-Ladder.
Forgot the source of information.

 

[redmarine]

Somewhere I think I read it was 8 players for Ladder games and 12 for non-Ladder.
Forgot the source of information.

Just search the Battle.net forums. Dustin Browder recently told us that they currently only allow 12 players for custom maps.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

That makes sense. War3 ladder was max 4v4, anything above that would be silly, not that 3v3 and 4v4 isn't. Which is why FFAs also consisted of max 6 players (or 4 not sure as I dont play FFA luck). 16 players would be a lot, 8v8 each makes 400 zerglings = 64000 units on the map, ok 10000 units for not being 200 limit. GL making a game without OUT OF MEMORY. It would be too much even for games like Dota or an RPG, 12 is just fine/

 

[Billy the Cat]

Just search the Battle.net forums. Dustin Browder recently told us that they currently only allow 12 players for custom maps.

Ah yes that's where I read it.
Thanks!

 

[JimBob]

That makes sense. War3 ladder was max 4v4, anything above that would be silly, not that 3v3 and 4v4 isn't. Which is why FFAs also consisted of max 6 players (or 4 not sure as I dont play FFA luck). 16 players would be a lot, 8v8 each makes 400 zerglings = 64000 units on the map, ok 10000 units for not being 200 limit. GL making a game without OUT OF MEMORY. It would be too much even for games like Dota or an RPG, 12 is just fine/

But, boy would that be fun. 8vrs8 on a huge map with tons of resources. That's a lot of units. I'd probably get over a 1000 kills with one siege tank.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the full version will support up to 8 players. just like the original.

 

[redmarine]

the full version will support up to 8 players. just like the original.

Dustin Browder stated up to 12 players in custom games and 8 players in melee.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the game will only support 8 players. live with it or ask blizzard to change it.

 

[redmarine]

the game will only support 8 players. live with it or ask blizzard to change it.

It supports 12 players but only 8 will be max for melee.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

i have played it. it only supports 8 players. other than that, gamereactor say that it supports up to 8 players. sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[redmarine]

i have played it. it only supports 8 players.

It is only limited to 8 for melee while 12 is available for custom games. Stated by Dustin Browder himself lead designer of StarCraft II.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

i checked the starcraft 2 wiki. it didnt list 12 players as a change. therefore it is logical to assume that 8 players is maximum.

 

[Fussiler1]

i checked the starcraft 2 wiki. it didnt list 12 players as a change. therefore it is logical to assume that 8 players is maximum.

But Dustin Browder stated it himself.

 

[CrashLemon]

i checked the starcraft 2 wiki. it didnt list 12 players as a change. therefore it is logical to assume that 8 players is maximum.

You don't seem to understand.

Melee = Ladder games hosted by battle.net (Blizzard)
Custom Games = Server hosted by players

Warcraft 3,
Melee = 8 players
Custom = 12 players

Starcraft 2,
Melee = 8 players
Custom = 12 players

It's that simple.

 

[JimBob]

Its the same as WC3 people. 8 players for melee on Battle.net and 12 for custom.

 

[Hawkwing]

i checked the starcraft 2 wiki.

I wouldn't rely on Wikipedia - any Wikipedia.

 

[redmarine]

The final count is not yet decided. It will almost certainly be more than 8 so that a variety of popular custom game types (Tower Defenses, DoTA, etc.) can continue with what they are used to. The final decision will be based more on performance than anything else, but we will be shooting for at least 12.

Battle.net forums, 2nd post.

 

[overload119]

Someone already managed to found a way to make the game get 16 players.

They did this for computer though, I'm not sure if it's possible with real players.

 

[redmarine]

Someone already managed to found a way to make the game get 16 players.

They did this for computer though, I'm not sure if it's possible with real players.

Could you link us to it?

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the version i played only supports 6 players. so maybe it supports 6 for melee but 8 for custom.(8 was a miscalculation by me.)

 

[AKAIMAX]

The version you played is BETA. Its not fully complete. And what more proof do you want? The guy MAKING THE GAME said atleast 12.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Damn Starcraft 2 map with 32 players could be like MMO xD .

 

[andreasaspenberg]

i trust my own eyes.

 

[CloudMax]

i trust my own eyes.

What the heck is it that you do not understand?
Do you have any problems reading english?
Do you just refuse to agree with the games lead designer.
He said ATLEAST 12 PLAYERS and what you play is a freaking beta of the starcraft 2 melee. Custom games WILL support 12 players.
You better change your mind about this or just keep quiet, you are wrong, and you know it.

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLOfIDi2N4&#t=1m
Woah.. just look at that... That was a game from 09, with david kim playing, and guess what... There were 16 freaking slots in the lobby.
And if you think "well, it does not look like that anymore..".. What the heck.. The UI is not related to how many players you can be, and it would be insane to change the cap from 16 down to 8.
Now, your eyes have seen proof, live with it.