How do I detect when an attack LANDS?

[Darkfang]

I need it to do an ON HIT detection system, so i can start doing some stuff and trigger the whole game.

 

[rulerofiron99]

The only way is through damage detection, but then you need to trigger all spell damage.

There is also a way to detect spell damage using the Runed Bracers ability, but it depends on your needs.

Tell us a bit more about what you want to do with your map.

 

[Chaosy]

not possible as far as I know. A dds detects before the damage is actually dealt.

It is not possible to detect the exact moment, either you do stuff after or before the damage is applied.

 

[Shade Da Scout]

what about htis one?http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/spells-569/physical-damage-detection-gui-v1-0-0-2-a-231846/?prev=of%3Dupdateline%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20%26u%3Dlooking_for_help

 

[Darkfang]

Well i basically need it to apply some things, cause im going to set the damage of all units to 0 via Defend item ability and im goign to make all the damage to be triggered, of course theyll deal damage from the same amount of AD they show.

Basically the attack will deal 0 damage, the armors will reduce 0 damage and they all will be calculated and applied via trigger, even the criticals and all that stuff.

 

[rulerofiron99]

That makes it a bit easier.

Use a damage detection system and for your condition just check if damage dealt is equal to 0. Then just make sure none of your spells deal 0 damage.

 

[looking_for_help]

That makes it a bit easier.

Use a damage detection system and for your condition just check if damage dealt is equal to 0. Then just make sure none of your spells deal 0 damage.

That won't work, many spells deal zero damage and you can't prevent them from doing so.
You will have to use a DDS with type support.

 

[rulerofiron99]

That won't work, many spells deal zero damage and you can't prevent them from doing so.
You will have to use a DDS with type support.

Unless if you custom code all spells, based off channel or such.

 

[looking_for_help]

Thats right but then you would have to trigger everything, not only all spells that do damage but really every spell.

For example slow causes a zero damage event - you would have to trigger your own slow. As attack speed can't be modified dynamically with native methods you would likely have to use a bonus mod system... and thats only one spell, I guess it would be a nightmare to get that working without bugs. Many buffs cause zero damage events, thats the main problem.

But if all spells are triggered its trivial to detect the damage type anyway, so luckily no need for classifying zero damage events. But then again, physical damage has to get modified by a DDS.

 

[Xonok]

Just detect your damage, check if it's over 0 and THEN reduce it to 0. That way you will know.
Stay the hell away from damage over time though.

 

[looking_for_help]

No, just use a DDS that supports type detection and damage modification. Damage over time is no problem at all.

 

[Darkfang]

Well another thing is i want to detect the damage amoun that is shown in the UI widget Damage and the current armor amount of the hero, how do i make such thing?

PD: TY Ive already detected when an attack lands!

 

[rulerofiron99]

The best way would be to calculate it based on the hero's base damage, attributes, buffs, items, etc.

For armour, you can have a dummy unit deal a set amount of damage to it and calculate what the armour should be from that.
e.g dummy deals 100 damage
if unit has 1 armour (6% resist), actual damage dealt should be 94.

 

[Darkfang]

Well, for another subject, i needed to detect the armor to do an armor penetration system, but it seems i dont need to detect the armor to do so. The only problem is, actually, that i need to solve an issue with the armor penetration system im doing, ive been doing it from the physical detection system that was posted before.

Problem: The system works perfectly in this case: the unit has 10 armor, ok the armor penetration value is equal to 10, this means damage is dealt, is saved, is increased by 10% and then armor is reduced and damage is dealt again. If the unit with 10 armor only received 90 damage from 100 it recieves 100 damage. But if the unit has more than 10 armor it deals less than if the armor penetration was implemented. I need to find a correct formula modifier. How do i make so?

See this map anyways:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=a2c8v9

 

[Xonok]

Well, for another subject, i needed to detect the armor to do an armor penetration system, but it seems i dont need to detect the armor to do so. The only problem is, actually, that i need to solve an issue with the armor penetration system im doing, ive been doing it from the physical detection system that was posted before.

Problem: The system works perfectly in this case: the unit has 10 armor, ok the armor penetration value is equal to 10, this means damage is dealt, is saved, is increased by 10% and then armor is reduced and damage is dealt again. If the unit with 10 armor only received 90 damage from 100 it recieves 100 damage. But if the unit has more than 10 armor it deals less than if the armor penetration was implemented. I need to find a correct formula modifier. How do i make so?

See this map anyways:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=a2c8v9

I have the armor calculation in here.

 

[Darkfang]

I have the armor calculation in here.

Ive changed the amount of %armor damage reduction to 1, check the map so u can see what i mean.

Check the part where the sorceress is.
1 footman will deal full damage to the Mortar Team (it has the armor pen) and the other will deal less damage. When attacking the sorceress the one that has the armor pen should deal the same damage that the nonpen footman is doing when attacking the mortar team (cause if the sorceress has 20 armor -10 armor pen she should have the same amount that the mortar has)

 

[Xonok]

Ive changed the amount of %armor damage reduction to 1, check the map so u can see what i mean.

Check the part where the sorceress is.
1 footman will deal full damage to the Mortar Team (it has the armor pen) and the other will deal less damage. When attacking the sorceress the one that has the armor pen should deal the same damage that the nonpen footman is doing when attacking the mortar team (cause if the sorceress has 20 armor -10 armor pen she should have the same amount that the mortar has)

What do you mean by pen?

 

[Darkfang]

What do you mean by pen?

Armor Penetration, this means that the damage ignores an amount of the targets armor. By example, one footman has 10 armor pen and 100 damage, the target has 10 armor, he deals 100 damage, the other footman has no armor penetration and 100 damage, the target has 10 armor, he deals 93 damage. The problem is when i attack targets with more than 10 armor...

 

[Xonok]

Armor Penetration, this means that the damage ignores an amount of the targets armor. By example, one footman has 10 armor pen and 100 damage, the target has 10 armor, he deals 100 damage, the other footman has no armor penetration and 100 damage, the target has 10 armor, he deals 93 damage. The problem is when i attack targets with more than 10 armor...

This has to be triggered.

 

[Darkfang]

This has to be triggered.

It is triggered, i just need the right formula to set the armor penetration on.

 

[Xonok]

If you just want armor to reduce damage taken by 1 per armor and armor piercing to make it ignore armor, then...

You get the armor of unit(there's a function).
You reduce the amount of armor by armor piercing.
If result is less than 0, then set it to 0.
Reduce damage by armor.
If damage is below minimum allowed, then raise it to minimum.

EDIT: But I just realized you want it to have diminishing returns. I'll need some time.

 

[Darkfang]

If you just want armor to reduce damage taken by 1 per armor and armor piercing to make it ignore armor, then...

You get the armor of unit(there's a function).
You reduce the amount of armor by armor piercing.
If result is less than 0, then set it to 0.
Reduce damage by armor.
If damage is below minimum allowed, then raise it to minimum.

EDIT: But I just realized you want it to have diminishing returns. I'll need some time.

Exactly, there is a small problem, cause the damage is refracted twice in armor. I need help t.t, it is for my pvp mmorpg

 

[Xonok]

Exactly, there is a small problem, cause the damage is refracted twice in armor. I need help t.t, it is for my pvp mmorpg

In this case you should code the damage reduction yourself too.
Makes things much easier.

First you get the effective armor(armor - piercing)
Then you use my formula to calculate damage reduction and apply it using a DDS.

Basically use a loop or power
effective health = health*(1.06ˇarmor)
This one has 6% damage reduction.
So from this formula I derive that the actual damage taken is damage*(0.94ˇarmor)

 

[Darkfang]

I must check, it will be kinda complicated.