[GUI] "Haste" Spells

[Andser]

I have noticed that on hive isn't any spell/tutorial/system.... that uses "haste"
if you play WoW you know what i mean.
Haste is something that increases casting speed of a spell or reduces it's time between ticks by %.
I have made a simple trigger to show what i mean:

Haste Trigger

• Haste
  • Events
    • Time - Every (1.00 / (1.00 + ((%Haste) / 100.00))) seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Cause CASTER to damage TARGET, dealing 100.00 damage of attack type Spells and damage type Normal

I used this in my map, i think it is useful but don't know if already someone made this (maybe ), The formula for haste calculation is this:
Base Casting Time / (1 + (% Spell Haste / 100))

Base Casting Time = means the casting time that has the spell (or time between ticks)

1 = it is the same as the casting time (in this case Base Casting time was too 1)

% Spell Haste = It is the ammount of haste that the caster has (I calculated the haste as Intelligence of the hero / 7.5(in my map(but you can use whatever))

100 = the number 100 makes from it % (if you write 50 instead, the haste will be doubled, 25 = 4x, 12.5 = 8x .....)

Note that the Event must be inserted through another trigger (through init or others....) and only then can be used variables!!!

Edit: One final thing, if the haste is 100% the casting speed will not be reduced to 0, because the formula is:
1 / (1+Haste/100)
That means it will just decrease the casting speed by half ---> 1/2
200% equal to a 1/3 reduction, 300% = 1/4 so it is:
1/((%Haste/100)+1)

 

[Chaosy]

1. the haste should be stored in variable, it should not be calculated every X seconds.
2. the example you use is not MUI.
3. this forces you to trigger every single spell, haste wont stack on normal abilities this highly limit the usage.

even if you fix all that in some way you still need to improve the tutorial by a lot, check out approved GUI tutorials to see what I mean.

 

[Andser]

1. the haste should be stored in variable, it should not be calculated every X seconds.

But thats the point of the system, calculate it every X seconds, so you don't have to calculate it using another trigger, more profit, less memorey used.

2. the example you use is not MUI.

I thought this is a tutorial section, not the spell section but anyways, it's an example not the final spell, there ARE other sections where players can learn how to make spells MUI/Leakless.

3. this forces you to trigger every single spell, haste wont stack on normal abilities this highly limit the usage.

Don't know what you mean

even if you fix all that in some way you still need to improve the tutorial by a lot, check out approved GUI tutorials to see what I mean.

Ok, i will update it if ppl will interest in it.

 

[Kino]

The gist of what he said is that what you just posted isn't a tutorial, neither is it a system. Its simply a DoT ability.

 

[Andser]

I know it is a DoT system but i think that there isn't a DoT system that uses Haste, i just like the idea to decrease the time between ticks or reduces the casting time, i didn't want to make a spell/system, but only put the idea to hive so others can use it too.

 

[Chaosy]

"I thought this is a tutorial section, not the spell section but anyways, it's an example not the final spell, there ARE other sections where players can learn how to make spells MUI/Leakless."

you must show a good way to show how its done properly, what's the point with a tutorial if you only teach halfway?



"But thats the point of the system, calculate it every X seconds, so you don't have to calculate it using another trigger, more profit, less memorey used."

how can it better to do a calculation every second (close to one second atleast doesnt really mater.) than doing it everytime you pick up a item for example?



"this forces you to trigger every single spell, haste wont stack on normal abilities this highly limit the usage."
Haste needs to be a viable stat and stack on every single spell possible right? how do I apply haste to a default spell like shadow strike?

 

[Andser]

Haste needs to be a viable stat and stack on every single spell possible right? how do I apply haste to a default spell like shadow strike?

It cannot be applied to a default spell, it is made to work only with trigger spells.

how can it better to do a calculation every second (close to one second atleast doesnt really mater.) than doing it everytime you pick up a item for example?

Cause i am too lazy , i will update the whole tutorial and make the calculation and other things......

 

[Chaosy]

exactly, that's what I said from the start. You get what I mean now?
"this forces you to trigger every single spell, haste wont stack on normal abilities this highly limit the usage."

 

[Andser]

Yeah, and how could i make it work for standard spells? thats impossible at least until someone doesn't make something with the engine. I made it exactly for a map where i am adding heroes for later use .
PS. I used Haste because i wanted to do a hero from LoL (the Harbinger of Doom) with the WoW mechanics. but i stopped at 2 spells thats why i didn't post it. So i tried to make a "tutorial" on how to use haste, how can it be calculated and so on.
My main point wasn't to make spells that ppl can use but add a new idea to Hive.
(btw don't you know if someone else tried something like this?)

 

[Chaosy]

Yup, I know that. That's why I think the system wouldnt work in most maps and that's the reason it hasnt been created before. So no I have not heard of the idea of creating it.

 

[Andser]

But in most maps are custom spells, yes they are instants but i like the idea of reducing casting times, ticks channels.... it's a really amazing thing.
Das ist WUNDERBAAAAAR!

 

[Chaosy]

well the stuff aint MUI anyway. If unit A got 100 haste and unit B got 300 haste. The timer will be based on either of those but it wont support more than one of them.

 

[Bribe]

This doesn't even work as the event is only set once in the beginning of the game. The timer does not scale according to the real-time value of haste but to what it was set to in the init block.

 

[Adiktuz]

I suggest you learn more yourself before doing things like this...

plus this topic is really more of a spell/system domain rather than something you put on a general tutorial since the only way to generalize it to work for most things is if you make a system for it anyways...

 

[Andser]

Yep, Epic Fail , but at least i gave it a try (like many others that weren't approved and i didn't finish them )

 

[Adiktuz]

you should work on it... the finished system might be nice

 

[Andser]

It might be, but i don't have enough time this week, many work for school and other. Maybe at holiday i will make it
PS: Holiday: 17.2 - 21.2 (Slovakia FTW)

 

[PurgeandFire]

@Andser: As Bribe said, there are issues. Since this has been sitting here for a while without updates, I'm going to move it to the GY. But if you ever want it moved back so you can make updates, please let me know!