[General] Discussions

[Vinz]

I'm leaning more on TCG than Risk now. So, any gameplay ideas?

 

[Amargaard]

Love the idea of working on a new map!

I'm thinking something like Lordaeron Tactics or Azeroth Wars - where each player controls a specific group of heroes/villains, and each player has different goals and events to achieve throughout the game :b

 

[Imadori]

Mythic - None yet. We'll make the gameplay ourselves. More teamwork means more activity for the group

What kind of game cool-peon? What do you think of TCG? It can really go well in a long run since all of us can pretty much draw here, we can draw our cards easily. That goes for the newbies as well, we can let them design their own cards if they have an active character in the RP. Works like a bribe.

 

[Paillan]

Why not make our own models? I can make a few. So I can become better at modelling and we get models. Two birds with one stone. And I had the idea of making a cinematics series of the events of the RP but You are kinda right... it's not so apealing.

How about a 2D map instead? something retro always makes people get interesed and also is WAY more easier to make. I wonder if warcraft alows 2D models. Never tried myself.

Something new... Something fresh... not just a RIP-off... A search and destroy map? I think I have never seen one of those... Or maybe a puzzle-maze the legend of link like map? Something else?

 

[kari0003]

@Paillan: Kiva is Bern's character if I'm right. So she is not my second character. If I messed up the name, or did something wrong pls tell me

@ALL: I love the idea of a cooperation project like that. We can collect the artwork from the group, put it on cards, and make it an exciting game. It would both create activity, and draw in new members.

The only drawback is that its hard to cooperate. Especially in wc3 modding. We would have to send the map around, if we wanted to improve it. This would make the process long. If its a Card trading game, than we can focus on two different things. Game engine, and Content. The content can be uploaded in pastebins, or editable Google Drive folders. It makes it easy to access and manage.
Game engine should be easier. After the card trading game's skeleton is created, it should be easy to be matched with the content.

I wanted to put out some PR threads in the Roleplaying forums, and also in the offtopic section. The problem is that I hit some unexpected issues with my life & family. I hope to get those sorted soon.

If you want to make this game, We could make a new discussion thread for it, to focus attention

 

[Paillan]

O right, yeah, that's Bern's character. I said nothing. 2D models are op.

 

[kari0003]

Well if its a card game, it can still use some dope 2d models

 

[Imadori]

Paillan - Well, we do need some models. Other than the Card Battling/Dueling, we let players walk around the map and talk to NPCs. Like an RPG.

2D map is possible, just discovered it (I think I'm only one who knows how at the current moment). But unfortunately it does not exactly make our work any easier like expected, not in WorldEditor.

Cool ideas. Gameplay must give players a summary to the Kaelicious and the characters' lore tho. The idea is to "force" players understand the RP just by playing the map. It will serve as advertisement and a guide at the same time.

Kari - Don't worry about the game engine, got it all covered
No problem with 2D effects either, I discovered how to apply animated 2D sprites in-game, plus I'm pretty confident with my vJass-ing skills.
The images should be in icon-size though, to save space. We need tons of cards after all.

Yeah, we'll make it. But a discussion thread huh... I feel more comfortable in this thread for some reason, but okay.

 

[Vinz]

There would be this card model, it will be slightly 3d and animated while using a texture for its base lay out. Then the portraits, values and info come from a replaceable texture using the destructible trick. That way we'd save space instead of reimporting the lay out per card.

 

[Bernkastel]

I really like the card thing idea thing wing bling.

 

[Vinz]

We can start with the card layout, any theme?

 

[Paillan]

Umm I have an idea:

Types of cards:

Beings: equal to creatures on magic or monsters on yu gi oh. The guys you play to attack.

Magic: cards you play to get an effect. They end in material-less zone at the end of the turn (equal to graveyard)

Accesories: things beings can use to be enhanced. What ever happens to the being using them happens to them.

Structures: cards you play in the back row that add some extra stuff. Until destroyed.

Food: what you use to play things. There's normal and magic food. Some cards need both and others only one type.

Non-player intervension: things that the player can't totally change:

Places: where the battle is being held. Has some minor effects for some decks.

Game zones:

deck: your deck

attacking row: where beings that attacked this turn are.
Front row: you play beings here
Back row: you play structures here. Some beings are played here as well.
Non-material zone: the place where are card that are destroyed end.
Non-existant zone: the place where cards end when they are removed from game.
Paid food: food used this turn
Food: you play food cards here.

The first edition would be demon rise, from the first halloween. The decks should be: trick or treat (humans vs demon), demon tournament (demon vs demon) and halloween mask (non-flesh beings vs demon)

Cards:

ULTRA RARE
Mad king - being
Legion king - being
Halloween mask - accesory

Unique
Paillan (demon) - being
David (corporal) - being
Kenny (corporal) - being
Larxe the the sinfull one - being
Alwin the Fist - being
Paillan (human) - being
David (skull) - being
Kenny (skull) - being
Human capital - structure
Cartellaña - structure
Lizzie - Being
Vincent (dragon) - Being
Vicent (human) - being
Kari - Being
Human king - Being
Loch Kael village - structure
Paillan's village - structure
(Give ideas for nore unique cards)

RARE
Trick - magic
Treat - magic
Demon captain - being
Demon mage - being
Demon slayer - being
Pain master - being
Doom lord- being
Demon sword - accesory
Demon armor - accesory
Holy water - Magic
Holy - Magic
Light beam - magic
Priest of the church of light - being
Berserker - Magic
Paladin of the church of light - being
Griffin of the church of light - being
Talisman of ice - accesory
King's crown - accesory
Pay treat - magic
Stand down - magic

(Give more ideas)

Uncommon
Hell portal - structure
Human village - structure
Demon swordsmen - being
Demon axemen - being
Demon archer - being
Demon spearmen - being
Strike - Magic
Swordmen of the church of light - being
Defender of the church of light -being
Armored griffin - being
Griffin - being
Mount - magic
Dismount - magic
Pulverise - Magic
Dematerialize - magic
Slash - magic
Archer of the church of light - being
bless weapons - magic
Church of light - structure
Blessed hammer - accesory
Blessed armor - accesory
Kari's mechanical turret - being
Fanhat - accesory
Remove - Magic
Flee - Magic
Freeze - magic
Sacrifice - magic
Absorb - magic

(Add more)

COMMON

Swordsmen - being
Spearmen - being
Archer - being
Explorer - being
Guard - being
axemen - being
civil - being
Farm - food
Magic source - Food
Water - food
grassland - food
Magic conflux - food
Magic extractor - structure

(Add more)

PLACES

Eastern realm
Robo prison
Northern realm
Hell (maybe?)

 

[Vinz]

Nice ideas. One question though, how do non-materials become non-existent? Perhaps after some turns?

 

[Paillan]

Card may become non-existent when:

Removed from game by another card which has that ability
Played from non-material zone under certain conditions
The card says it

Added more cards BTW and changed the category of some.

 

[Vinz]

If only I knew how to utilize TGA's alpha channel. Anyone?

We also need the portraits.

 

[Bernkastel]

What do you mean how? It's simple.

 

[Vinz]

How?

 

[Bernkastel]

Open any program that has alpha channel and just beat it.

 

[Vinz]

You mean use Erasers?

 

[Bernkastel]

Eraser or lasso. Either will do.

 

[Vinz]

I was thinking the classic card skin would look like that, ideas?

 

[Paillan]

Other than border color change to differenciate rarity no.

 

[Imadori]

Hmm... The WorldEditor is very limited for this kind of TCG. The font size isn't configurable (even in vJass), and we can't just place the texts anywhere we want, so..

I was thinking, instead of 'cards' literally, why not torn pages of an old book? We're writing a story right? It represents the history of Kaelicious, and how the story is told.

Then we just draw the images with an alpha channel for art submissions.
In-game, it will look pretty much like Bern's works in the Red Christmas Roleplay.

Gameplay ideas comes first tho. Might reconsider the 2D map if only we have an old paper tileset. We can draw the sprites/objects in that way too!

Pailan -Awesome! But let's start simple first. Only character and magic cards for now. We can just upgrade it bit by bit on updates

Bern - I thought you hated cards.

 

[Bernkastel]

I never said I did. Through them we can spread the word of how awesome I am.

 

[Vinz]

Hmm... The WorldEditor is very limited for this kind of TCG. The font size isn't configurable (even in vJass), and we can't just place the texts anywhere we want, so..

I was going to write the descriptions on the textures, not via floating text.

 

[Imadori]

We're talking about lots of cards here. That will take a lot of space in file size. Even real games knows that is not the proper way.

Nope, floating text are ugly. I'll only use it as last resort. I'm talking about the notification text: "Your hero, Beastmaster, has been slain". But nevermind, I have a better idea.

 

[Vinz]

I was thinking of the alpha channel too for the cards. Just one texture for card skins then the descriptions/portraits will be individual. Which is just the same as your idea except different bg (cards, paper)

Oh, that text. Well rulerofiron made this textag system that enlarges then downsizes after some time.

 

[Paillan]

I guess I will go work on a paper tileset. It should probably replace that texture with a hundred of variations from sunken ruins.

 

[Vinz]

Ruins has such tile?

@Kyo so what was your other idea? :b

 

[Paillan]

Ruins_Largebrick has 16 variations. Just made a old paper tileset althought it leaves a lot to wish.

 

[Amargaard]

Although, I'd prefer to have an Azeroth Wars: Legacy Reborn/Dark Ages of Warcraft/Coming of the Horde/War in the Plaguelands-kind of map, I do like your card game-idea!

Are you looking for a Card Shuffle/Warcraft 3 Card Game-kind of map? In that case, I have some pretty sweet ideas ^^

And I'd love to help create the artwork for the cards. I was thinking that you guys could upload artwork of your characters, I'll then make some art based on yours and add in detail, and then finally Bern/Kari could make the colors and the final touches?

Also, Paillan, I suggest we start out from the most recent events, instead of the oldest, just so that new people feel more interested in it. So Let's start from Kari's new roleplay, the one that is 15 years into the future. That means cards like Valentine Forest, Cupid, Mania, Kive & Ko, Yarrick, Dante, Cerbeo, etc etc etc

 

[Paillan]

Hmm, that's true.

 

[Bernkastel]

Do not forget about Bern that has her badassity.

 

[Amargaard]

BTW, what do we need most in the RP at the moment - good guys or bad guys? Right now it seems like you are all neutral - I wanna join the side with fewer team members, and I wanna do it before Valentine's Day

 

[Bernkastel]

Bad guys..? I think?

 

[Paillan]

Neutral? Yarrick has openly say that he will rescue Cupid and Dante showed up to help him. Kiva will probably join Mania (bern should know) Alexandros is helping Valentino which I guess is helping Cupid?
Where's the neutrality.
To get thinga moving I just controlled Yarrick and Kiva a bit. If you don't mind.

 

[Bernkastel]

Join Mania..? Uh.. No.

 

[Paillan]

... you are actually gonna be in the "good" side? I though you found us lame? well, we have cookies

 

[Bernkastel]

I was planning that Bern would've been good on Christmas as well.

And I find the "evil" side even more lame now that there's the "Mad Queen".

 

[kari0003]

Try defeating the "Mad Queen" if she is so lame. I agree that she lost some personality, and became just an Ultimate Evil. If someone would make posts with her, she could be better though.

@Am; I think you should join either side. If you join as one of Mania's servants, there can be conflict, which is more exciting against other players than NPCs. If you are having trouble making up a character, you could use Cerbeo too if you wish.

@Chen: Spirit world? What is that? Legend of Korra like spirit world? Why can't this whole thing happen in the real world, like it did one year ago with Chen & Valentino? I would support the idea of a spirit world, if it was conventional. At the moment, it isn't

 

[Bernkastel]

Hmh. I will punch her to death if I deem so. I am the greatest warrior this world has ever seen.

 

[Chen]

@kari, actually, Spirit World is not an actual world, it also happens on the real world. The term "Spirit World" refers to the state of being a spirit in Kaelicious. Meh, I'll explain more if I have ideas.

 

[Paillan]

Yeah, I though the same that kari said xD
Legends of two lesbians better known as the legend of korra. Good series, epic final.
But you explained. BTW, keeping the secret of Dante being Dual blades is something important... at least for now. Am, you can pick Lemar... as a mania servant. That would redeem the character for me. You may come to claim one of my swords. I never said you had to fight for good to get one.

 

[Amargaard]

HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY!
I was thinking, will today count as the big day that it actually is, or will this RP, like the "Christmas Battle Royale" where the final day of the whole month counts as the big day - for gameplay reasons? For I'm not sure I can write something in time :l

BTW, did Antonio die back at that Wall-battle? For I considered using him as my character - got a sweet idea in mind :b

 

[Paillan]

I don't think so, he was in the back line after all. And I guess we do the same we always do, count the last day as the D day? also valentine day happy to you to.

 

[kari0003]

Yeah, Valentines day is for the finale, at the end of the month. You can use Antonio, but you must consider that he is pretty pretty old. Would prefer if you used someone new, but i guess it wont hurt. Gogo, be active!

 

[Imadori]

Yaho~! Happy Valentine's Day!

I'm making a VN system (Visual Novel) to further improve our roleplaying. I was wondering if I could get an approval.

Basically, we draw 4 variations of our characters' facial expression (normal, smile, frown, angry/shout). Then draw different places of Valentine Forest in first-person view. And finally, one whole body (probably just top-to-knee) of the character with a transparent background.

It does look very good right now. Doesn't even look like WC3 anymore except for the cinematic UI Console. I'll send everyone a WiP as soon as I finish the background changing part. \(^o^)/

Edit:
Screenshot
Tell me what you think please! I need it! I need motivation!

 

[Paillan]

that's overpowered.

 

[Imadori]

Overpowered? Hmm..

This, I think, is probably the best way to keep the newcomers interested in the RP. We can allow them to use the VN System as an alternative for roleplaying, if they don't like the book method (all-text method).
TCG's still a different matter. TCG is for making them join (advertisement). VN for keeping them. Btw, TCG looks just as good.
These are of course, if anyone has the motivation to cooperate. I don't see it though :\

 

[Bernkastel]

My motivation for that goes only as far as doing art.