Gems of Unification v13.02.26

[DrizztDoUrden]

About hp - I mean non str heroes have too low hp.
About 1shots - non targeted. The only new skill I saw 1shotting me was archers. Isn't it targeted?
about separating. I mean to separate some skills, not every skill.
Also can make potion stackable?

 

[muzzel]

The mobs hp/dmg scaling isnt balanced. We tried D1 with 3 people (Tank, Bow, Caster), and failed hard. After Tank and Bow left the game i soloed it easily.

Heal/Mage combos are always very strong, since its a combination of two classes (Heal/Tank/Dps) that uses only one attribute (Int) and the exactly same items. So both heal and dps is maxed, in a single hero.
HP isnt really an issue, except for 7 str i skilled only int. With some items i have 140 Spellpower, 300 HP and 24 Armor. Rejuvination + Shield = Invincible.

D2 is too easy, yea. Tried it with 2 players and alone, both was easy going.

One solution for the Healer/Caster problem coud be: use different attributes for Damagespells and Healspells. Would solve the problem, but isnt really satisfying.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

HP is an issue for agi based hero. Every spell 1shot in ActII. Mage is just OP.

 

[muzzel]

Skilling few Str shouldnt be a problem for Agi heroes since it boosts your damage too.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

i need 20+ str to stop bosses 1shotting me

 

[muzzel]

hm ok that probably should be fixed by giving some of the Agi items bonus HP. Anyway, there is an Armor with 110hp (50hp + 4Str) and ~17 armor (when improved). Im using it with my mage (doesnt have SP, but doubles my survivability), there is no reason you shouldnt use it with your Agi hero.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Then it would be more logical to get some str, cuz best agi armor gives you 24 agi.

 

[oncrack]

Dude ,it's just me or you can't enter ActIII cause of guards , no matter you do all quests o.o (Please answear at this q i really want to know)and btw i found some bugs that creator shall fix like infinite xp from quests and whatsoever

 

[yuvixadun]

Dude ,it's just me or you can't enter ActIII cause of guards , no matter you do all quests o.o (Please answear at this q i really want to know)and btw i found some bugs that creator shall fix like infinite xp from quests and whatsoever

That's supposed to happen, Act III isn't yet finished.
Working on XP issues.

 

[oncrack]

oh....that's just unfortunate ^^ btw too easy dungeons..i can solo d2 in under 2=3mins

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

oh....that's just unfortunate ^^ btw too easy dungeons..i can solo d2 in under 2=3mins

Well, may be it is just my imho, but... I think that heroes are too strong. But I agree that d2 is really easy.

 

[muzzel]

Im not sure how useful agility is at all, with your damage reduction formula a unit with half damage needs a lot more then double attackspeed to have the same dps if the target has armor > 0.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Poison compensates it. And skills. But I agree that it is the most useless stat at the moment. But I have 50%+ evasion ^_^

 

[muzzel]

50% chance to not get oneshot, gz dude

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Not 1shoted, 25 str.

 

[muzzel]

Yea that was a joke

 

[syrusel]

Like I said, right now it's too easy 'cause at the moment all you have to do is right-click on a creep and wait until it dies, and on bosses you just use 3-4 spells (shield, hot, dot, fireball or w/e). Creeps and Bosses especially should require more tactics etc, not just a right-click. A fun game is not right click to victory. Right now I'm playing Baldur's Gate II while waiting for further development of this map (balance & new content) and THAT'S an awesome rpg, you should play it and maybe inspire yourself for stuff. Also it would be kickass if you could include random banter between characters like in Dark Invasion II w3 map.

 

[EternaLife]

Dear Map Author ~ I am so sick of all the people on this website complaining that the map is too easy. The high level of difficulty in the Gaias of Retaliation map made it impossible to play it single player - I don't want it to be the case with this map too! Please dont make the map harder. Instead, could you add some difficulty options to make it harder for those who want more of a challenge? Remember - it is much better to make a map that is too easy, than too hard ~ if it's too easy, it can still be fun; but if it's too hard, it can never be fun; only frustrating.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Well, too hard is almost always fun, cuz it's challanging. And this one is incredibly easy in solo, much easier than with friends.

 

[muzzel]

This map is scaling the difficulty with the amount of players, gaias isnt. So even if this is hard with a group it can still be soloable. Keep that in mind-

 

[EternaLife]

Well if it stays that way then I'll be happy ! ~ Thanks Muzzel

 

[syrusel]

Dude you obviously haven't really read anything around here ^_^ let me fill you up. This map has like Muzzel said scaling difficulty, the reason this map is very easy is because creeps aren't a challenge and even if they were, in this map you can be anything and everything (dps/healer/tank). Gaias was difficult because you needed enough players to fit each role unlike in this map. So what we want won't affect you, we just want a challenge! And at the moment I still think spellcasters are op, correct me if i'm wrong. (spellcaster = hybrids ofc, or even pure).

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

I don't think he doesn't understand that spellcasters are op))))
I think separating mage and healer will help.
And agi should be improved, it can't be maxed, you get a shitty hero, unplayable in solo. With 1 player he just can kill enemy before he [hero] dies. But with 3-6 players it is impossible.
Also full-str bowmen has same almost dps as full agi.

 

[syrusel]

I think some talents could be particularly useful in further developing and customizing your character, and they could be done in the form of another spellbook in which you add passive skills if the author doesn't have time to crop up a talent interface system bla bla xD. That way SP could be drastically reduced and then by talents you could gain for certain spells a + % to spellpower ---> problem solved. And of course this is available for DPS heroes etc.

 

[muzzel]

Oh that looks like a nice solution. Make 2 talents:
- increases healing output by 30%
- increases spelldamage output by 30%
Make sure you only can learn one of these and you have to chose between healing and dpsing. To keep the balance reduce the effectivity of all healspells by ~40% and and dps spells by ~30%.

Other possible option would be to add a new birthsign that increases your healing output by 10%.

 

[syrusel]

He'd have to make talents for melee ranged and spellcasting. Thing is for spellcasting he can do this. ALL spells have x0.5 spellpower. Then, using talents you increase only the spells you want. Lets say I pick fireball from talents, it then gets an additional +1.0 sp that way I have 1.5SP on my fireball and 0.5 on others until I further increase them. Now, at this talent from beginning you must pick between two things: more dps or more heal, what this will do is the following. If you chose dps then all other spells (support, heal) cost +20% mana to cast and have 0.2--0.4 spellpower, and by going dps you can only unlock certain talents from support path. Stuff like "get this talent and your mana is increased by 2% and mana regen by 5%". ( so you can heal more ). I think you got the ideea.

 

[yuvixadun]

Thanks for all the suggestions people

I think talents would be a nice system but it'll take a lot of time to implement. I'd rather have a quicker solution to this imbalance problem so I can keep working on the new terrain.

Oh that looks like a nice solution. Make 2 talents:
- increases healing output by 30%
- increases spelldamage output by 30%
Make sure you only can learn one of these and you have to chose between healing and dpsing. To keep the balance reduce the effectivity of all healspells by ~40% and and dps spells by ~30%.

This sounds nice, I'll probably apply it to a birthsign form of solution. Making the Owl give +30% spell damage and a new one +30% healing.

 

[muzzel]

This sounds nice, I'll probably apply it to a birthsign form of solution. Making the Owl give +30% spell damage and a new one +30% healing.

That seems appropriate, but dont forget to decrease the spells SP coefficients so the heal/dmg spells (whatever you improved) will end up at same efficiency as with the 5% sp from old owl.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

i think 5% was a very small ammount btw. But 30% would be useful. But still some signs are useless, like boar.
Can you wipe birthsigns if you will change them?

 

[TriEdgeAI]

This is a marvelous map indeed. I am so glad Gaia's Retaliation set a higher standard for ORPG maps so now we can enjoy brilliant creations like this one. Knowing that this map is great in almost every aspect I'll go ahead with the only thing I disliked:
The music. I know you probably can't fit in the 8MB limit, but the music is really something that drastically improves experience imho. Gaia's Retaliation would be half cool if it didn't have Oblivion's music.

 

[Psf_Kurt]

nice map!


edit:
1 problem: when starting the game, it takes tooo long to load
Maybe could be because some player didnt press a key to continue or something. It would be nice to show on loading screen who didnt load map yet for this problem

 

[yuvixadun]

That seems appropriate, but dont forget to decrease the spells SP coefficients so the heal/dmg spells (whatever you improved) will end up at same efficiency as with the 5% sp from old owl.

Of course I've already implemented this. Most spell power coefficients get decreased by ~30%. Owl will provide +25% spell damage (so there will be a net nerf to spell damage), new birthsign will add +30% healing.

i think 5% was a very small ammount btw. But 30% would be useful. But still some signs are useless, like boar.
Can you wipe birthsigns if you will change them?

There will probably be a code wipe for Act III, sorry.

This is a marvelous map indeed. I am so glad Gaia's Retaliation set a higher standard for ORPG maps so now we can enjoy brilliant creations like this one. Knowing that this map is great in almost every aspect I'll go ahead with the only thing I disliked:
The music. I know you probably can't fit in the 8MB limit, but the music is really something that drastically improves experience imho. Gaia's Retaliation would be half cool if it didn't have Oblivion's music.

Thanks!
I've been thinking about music for this game. I agree that it is a big thing that is currently lacking. But with the 8 mb limit I just can't add anything anymore. I'm already using some of the limited space left for some new models for Act 3.

nice map!

edit:
1 problem: when starting the game, it takes tooo long to load
Maybe could be because some player didnt press a key to continue or something. It would be nice to show on loading screen who didnt load map yet for this problem

I'll look into this, but don't get your hopes up

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Wipes are cool, expetially when rebalancing

 

[Crommus]

There is a bug I just experienced ingame. There are 2 items out of the 'Tomb of Horrors' which render it unable to save your character with unless you save in the very first town. The first one is 'Ebon Blade' (Fire Archer drop) and the second one is 'Shielf of the King' (Skeleton King drop (I know, you'd never guessed so ;P))

Else the map's real great. Thanks for your work!

Greetings

@Edit: I just found another item like that: 'Blackcrow' (Harpy wife drop)

 

[unique]

Hey
I am so glad I randomly found this on hive, it is really good and in my opinion the better gaia's because it got a hard lvl cap.

Though I wonder is there a Forum/Board or something for Bugreport, Feedback, Suggestion, Player Discussion etc? Because right know I had like a ton to say
But I rly dont wanna spam it here.

Nevertheless great work so far, I am looking forward for more upcoming content your game is already pretty enjoyable to play!

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

I just found another item like that: 'Blackcrow' (Harpy wife drop)

Strange, I save with it easily.

 

[yuvixadun]

There is a bug I just experienced ingame. There are 2 items out of the 'Tomb of Horrors' which render it unable to save your character with unless you save in the very first town. The first one is 'Ebon Blade' (Fire Archer drop) and the second one is 'Shielf of the King' (Skeleton King drop (I know, you'd never guessed so ;P))

Else the map's real great. Thanks for your work!

Greetings

@Edit: I just found another item like that: 'Blackcrow' (Harpy wife drop)

Strange, seems like this happens kinda random. I'll see if I can find a fix for it.

Hey
I am so glad I randomly found this on hive, it is really good and in my opinion the better gaia's because it got a hard lvl cap.

Though I wonder is there a Forum/Board or something for Bugreport, Feedback, Suggestion, Player Discussion etc? Because right know I had like a ton to say
But I rly dont wanna spam it here.

Nevertheless great work so far, I am looking forward for more upcoming content your game is already pretty enjoyable to play!

Not really have a forum for this. You can PM me bugs/feedback if you want to. Its welcome

 

[Vitek88]

Cant load my character. Drop from the game. What should i do?

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Cant load my character. Drop from the game. What should i do?

Can you tell more about char and your PC?

 

[Vitek88]

Pc very cool. Char 16 lvl, play with friends, they load, i cant. Nick Vitek88. Need more info?

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Is your PC mac?

Try to put off some items, some of them can be unsavable for you.

 

[muzzel]

Strange, I save with it easily.

Maybe you improved it and he didnt? (or the other way around).

Im not sure what causes the bug, but i guess you have a list which assigns a unique number to all itemtypes and probably you forgot few to add few items or something. Since improved items have a different itemtype, that could explain why some non-imp items can be saved while imp items cant.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

I think that is because of encripting and decripting. Cuz I can save more items then my friend)

 

[devo88]

Hello,sorry if I will repeat something - but I cant really read all of the comments.I found a bug - The teleport scroll of the 4th town (the last place of act II) doesn't seem to work.About the map - It's great!Well done!

 

[Crommus]

I've tried to save with several items with different results. Some are unable to save in combination with other items or in certain locations. And sometimes the very same items do save in exactly the same location and with the same item combination.
Anyway it's not clear to me what exactly causes the bug but I ain't a mapmaker though.

Additionally I experienced several game freezes and critical errors when I tried to unlearn abilities. No clue at all what causes that.

 

[yuvixadun]

Will see if I can fix the save issue. Though I don't really have an idea what could cause it.

Hello,sorry if I will repeat something - but I cant really read all of the comments.I found a bug - The teleport scroll of the 4th town (the last place of act II) doesn't seem to work.About the map - It's great!Well done!

Did you try a scroll that can teleport you to the "enemy" faction you've joined? (So if you joined Tauren for instance, you can't teleport to the Centaur village). This will get an error message next version.

I've tried to save with several items with different results. Some are unable to save in combination with other items or in certain locations. And sometimes the very same items do save in exactly the same location and with the same item combination.
Anyway it's not clear to me what exactly causes the bug but I ain't a mapmaker though.

I hope you understand that because this problem seems random, it's difficult to find out what is causing it. I'll do my very best though.

Additionally I experienced several game freezes and critical errors when I tried to unlearn abilities. No clue at all what causes that.

Could you be a little bit more specific? What ability did you try to unlearn?

 

[muzzel]

Any chance the save issues could be caused by op limit? That would explain why there is just no code displayed...

 

[yuvixadun]

Any chance the save issues could be caused by op limit? That would explain why there is just no code displayed...

That's a good hint, maybe the init code is too large, making some item code or save code wreck.

 

[devo88]

I didn't mean the Tauren's and Cantaur village's (I know about that) But after u finish the quests with one of them,an archer sends u to report to a captain (south of the villages) there's another teleport scroll,I coudn't use that one.I also want to ask about the "birdsigns"I didn't find if I can change it or it's impossible? (after a rmk,I can't take the quest again)

 

[muzzel]

@devo no you cannot change your birthsign

@drol
It could be the init code, but i was thinking about reaching the op limit during the actual saving process. Lots of Saveload Systems have problems with that if you pass too much data (like Pipedreams).

If you reach the OP limit while saving, the thread stops. So the code wont be displayed/saved (just like it happens sometimes).