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Fixing Mass Migration

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Wark, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. Wark

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    So, as an international English teacher, I've been hearing a lot about mass migration problems into Europe.
    I have a solution. The only thing that would get in the way is bureaucracy or migrant laziness.

    1) Assign a plot of land in the wilderness to the migrants.
    2) Give food and shelter support for a year, with tools/seeds/farm animals.
    3) If no migrants have farming or construction experience, send volunteers from the local community centers or missionaries from local churches to do what they're good at.
    4) Ween the new migrant community from government support while properly monitoring the community's health. Assign local law enforcement, fire fighting teams, basic administration as needed if the community doesn't develop this already. Develop its infrastructure with the migrant population present.
    5) Integrate the newly formed farming community into the native country's society once it is self sustainable.

    Theoretical result: new jobs for migrants and natives to the country. People are fed. They take care of themselves with minimal government funding.
     
  2. Zombie

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    So your solution is basically:

    1) Make a self-sustaining segregated community of people following a segregationist religion and support them with free money and tools to sustain and amplify that segregation
    2) Wait
    3) After having left them segregated and self-sustaining for years, suddenly force your culture and dominance on them

    Genious, should totally work.
     
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  3. deepstrasz

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    All we need is to spread yeggs!

     
  4. Naze

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    As Zombie pointed out, the major problem of this solution of making a partially segregated community is that they'll eventually want political independence over the years and probably won't feel connected to the culture of the country in which they migrated.

    For example, in Brazil a similar thing happened centuries ago, but with German/Dutch immigrants (and without such government support as you suggested). As a result, those rural communities evolved into cities like this nowadays:
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    They have their own culture and architecture, which differs from the rest of the country. They have a separatist movement too, and there were several political and armed conflicts in the past.

    The feeling of not belonging should be avoided at all costs, specially because political conflicts may kick in at anytime. So creating small rural communities of immigrants have this potential downside.
     
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  5. Devine

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    Ah yes, very nice. Can we also have it so that the people can't leave and that our western laws don't exist there? And also we film it all and put it on tv for admoney. We call it "Migrant paradise in the wilderness"
     
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    Pretty sure there's a far easier solution - use borders as sovereign countries and let in actual war refugees, not anyone who has a different skin tone, while at the same time kicking out all illegal immigrants, rather than giving them money and moving their families in, always at the expense of legal citizens.

    But someone might get offended! :eek:
     
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    Has this video game been released yet?
    ...
    ...
    ... oops, wrong forum. Sorry.
     
  8. deepstrasz

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    Don't allow immigrants without education.
    Fixed.
     
  10. Wark

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    I apologise if the post offended anyone, as I simply wanted to state an opinion to open a discussion.
    This is something important to me.
     
  11. Zombie

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    No one is offended.

    It's simply that your idea would never work.
     
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    The thread title sounds a lot like "Fixing history" or "Fixing human nature" or "We probably shouldn't have bombed them to the stone age and armed all their radicals".
     
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    I'm maybe a pretty radical dude for saying this but selection based on IQ would be pretty handy dandy. At least they can contribute to our gene pool in the long run.
    Especially considering dumb people will be out of jobs anyway in a couple of years since you know... AI and machines and stuff. I'd like a society with less morons, but that's just me.
    Besides intelligent people learn faster which renders them useful sooner, and they are probably a bit less likely to do primitive idiotic shit in our countries like raping women or crossing highways etc.
    Like it's obviously unspeakable we'd send idiots back to their country to die, but we can't let them all in anyway, can we?

    Just you know... taking human potential and use it. Morally reprehensible, sure, but it's not like you can take in a shitload of new people and unleash them in a totally new society and not have any disruptive side effects. It's like harvesting oranges. You pick the big bright ones out and put them up for sale. They have value. The ugly oranges become orange juice. Which means we could also take the bad immigrants apart for functional body parts. Otherwise they are just completely useless.

    So here's a summary: Let in the smart immigrants, and sell the dumb immigrants for body parts.
    It's that or the decline of the west, basically.

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    Edit: okay so I'm obviously being sarcastic, and there is not one simple solution. It's very likely to me that if the trend continues, choices will have to be made on pretty random and fucked up criteria like I demonstrated. There is a certain threshold, and when we pass it, I'm pretty sure the European people will say "fuck it" and go stone cold on immigrants. It'll depend on the global climate. It wouldn't be the first time.
     
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    > Implying that education equals intelligence. Instead of things like tuition fee.
    > Implying that big shiny oranges are better than ugly ones. ORANGE RACIST!

    That aside, the big problem with that idea is that people will fall in for the most established order of society available. That means without a strong existing Western/democratic established structure to embrace them (if that is what you want), the immigrant society will fall back to the already established religious structure and law, which is very much engrained in them, and has the "blueprint" of a working society, even if that society is not to your liking.
     
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    Only a few comments, and already the typical western self flagellation is there.

    Please, can someone explain why any country "has to" take in countless work immigrants at the expense of its own working class?

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with any war or refugees, stop joking at yourself and look at reality.

    Look at what happens in Germany, Sweden, England, and there are probably other examples I don't know about. Europe is getting disintegrated for the benefit of rape gangs, criminals, and segregated communities that want nothing from their hosts except free stuff.

    Of course, if anyone says any of this, it's time for the thought police to arrive, you can't say anything bad about immigrants when the majority of them belongs to the religion of peace, now can you?
     
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    Feel free to contribute a solution, @GhostWolf. A wall Trump-style?
    Sure, give them a reason to gather outside those walls and form groups.
    Then let those groups, growing more desperate and/or greedy and/or hungry begin seeing us
    as the enemy.
    Let them try to gain access with violence instead of letting them in on our terms, relatively anyway.

    EVERYONE KNOWS that the current handling of the situation isn't good, but please don't give me your
    "just build a wall" bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself if you believe that this would work in
    the long-term.
     
  18. deepstrasz

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    It worked in medieval and modern times where there was discipline in ruling and less democratic liberalism where everyone can say and vote on a whim.
    Segregation is not a solution at all. Integrating people separately is better. Don't put all or most immigrants from one country in the same place. Put some of them in different country regions. This way, they'll be assimilated.
    Of course, it should work like this too: if they don't want to work for their own existence given the current situation, then they have no place there because those who take them in have no obligation to sustain them while the immigrants don't do anything for the society. You're not in your country anymore as an immigrant until you adapt to the said country's way of life. Sure there is some cultural intermingle but you as an immigrant are not supposed to come change the country, unless of course, which in rare examples, you can do it for the better like how a Syrian had quite a positive impact on the emergency medicine in my country.
     
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    Mass migrations during the Migration Period didn't end well for the Roman Empire, probably as a result of segregation.
     
  20. GhostWolf

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    In case you are not aware, there are such things as borders, and border security. What form they come in isn't really relevant. I am pretty sure Trump did not make up the idea of a sovereign nation being able to protect itself from outsiders and regulate who comes into it.

    Your logic is a bit flawed - if you won't let anyone come in, people won't come.
    If people are trying to get in by force...that's why you have border security and armed forces.
    If your argument is that you can't stop illegal trespassers from coming into your country, maybe the solution is to get proper security, rather than letting anyone come in freely, like a weak injured dog waiting to die.

    Obviously if you are the Swedish government, and you hate your own people but love anyone with a darker skin, what follows is that people with darker skin come en masse.
    And this is not hyperbole or anything, you can freely read online the statements of these self-hating governments that are destroying their countries.

    So do you commit cultural suicide to a murderous ideology, or do you get a backbone and protect your countries?
     
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