[Finished] The Creation of a Quilboar Building-Set

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Like the Title says: This is basically a Thread created to discuss and give ideas/feedback about the buildings.

The Buildings in question should resemble their Wow appearance with a little Warcraft 3 in it. I have created a Mainbuilding as a 'sort of' Teaser.

While i do know of @Edge45's Quilboar buildings, after looking at an Image of an Quilboar settlement, his buildings resemble more of the Centaur ones. I also asked @Edge45 if i could contingue his unfinished buildings and he said that i could do it.

This is the result:
From Edge45's "Alpha" Mainbuilding design,

Spoiler: Alpha

to my current design.

Spoiler: My current Design

The Question is now: What do you like better? Edge45's Design? or my design? Keep in mind that i could also do both if you want to.

Number of Buildings done: 10/10 (done)

Spoiler: "The Mainbuilding"

Spoiler: Quilboar Manger

Spoiler: Quilboar Shelter

Spoiler: Ancestral Bastion

Spoiler: Training Camp

Spoiler: House of Ancestry

Spoiler: Altar of Agamaggan

Spoiler: Thorny Spire

Spoiler: Quilboar Hut

Spoiler: Quilboar Forge

Spoiler: Animal Battle Grounds

Spoiler: Sacrificial Grounds

Spoiler: Treasure Hideout

The Building-Names that are in quotes are not final. Only exception is the Mainbuilding.

Important Notice:
Also i try to avoid using using anything that has to do with Tauren, Harpies and Centaur, because of lore reasons. They hate each other according to both the Wiki and this Lore Video about them. The only exception i do about Tauren, Harpy and Centaur is to add skulls and corpses of them.

 

[KILLCIDE]

I prefer your design because it gives it that new and custom feeling where as Edges still reminds me of an orc structure.

 

[Stefan.K]

I prefer your design because it gives it that new and custom feeling where as Edges still reminds me of an orc structure.

I completely agree.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Also before i forget.

Suggestions include names for the Buildings.

For Example:
Great Hall / Stronghold / Fortress don't exactly fit for the Mainbuilding.

 

[BossGengar]

Here's some ideas
Tier 1: Hovel
Tier 2: Ancestral Slum
Tier 3: Basilica

 

[stein123]

Basilica? :v

 

[Chen]

Thorns would be a really good touch, since they're mostly associated with Quilboar. The rest looks pretty neat, though the third building needs more upgrade from the second.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Thorns would be a really good touch, since they're mostly associated with Quilboar. The rest looks pretty neat, though the third building needs more upgrade from the second.

About the Thorns: I think about making something like this, but as an Upgrade like the Spikes for the Orc Buildings.

The Upgrade would be called: Protection of Agamaggan

About the Final Stage of the Mainbuilding: Yeah i thought the same. I see what i can do.

 

[Cuore]

@Mister. Your design is superior to edge45 (no offense edge, eh )
Like @Chen I feel it would be right to see more thorns, but unlike him I aknowledge that this is just me being biased by wow.

About names suggestions galore, I dislike everything @BossGengar says except the proposed use of "ancestral" which is a great word to associate to stone-age pigs. Good job

Suggested names:
t. 1: quilboar manger
t. 2: quilboar shelter
t. 3: Ancestral bastion

By the way my appreciation goes to the great production of good models made by @Mister_Haudrauf, when I see his wips I wish I had some more free time from work to make some models myself :3

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

@Mister. Your design is superior to edge45 (no offense edge, eh )
Like @Chen I feel it would be right to see more thorns, but unlike him I aknowledge that this is just me being biased by wow.

About names suggestions galore, I dislike everything @BossGengar says except the proposed use of "ancestral" which is a great word to associate to stone-age pigs. Good job

Suggested names:
t. 1: quilboar manger
t. 2: quilboar shelter
t. 3: Ancestral bastion

By the way my appreciation goes to the great production of good models made by @Mister_Haudrauf, when I see his wips I wish I had some more free time from work to make some models myself :3

Actually now that i think about it. Adding the Thorns to the Building wouldn't be bad.

But i still make the Thorns for the Upgrade: Protection of Agamaggan, which is basically a copy of the Orc's Spike Upgrade, just with thorns instead of Spikes.

 

[BossGengar]

@Mister. Your design is superior to edge45 (no offense edge, eh )
Like @Chen I feel it would be right to see more thorns, but unlike him I aknowledge that this is just me being biased by wow.

About names suggestions galore, I dislike everything @BossGengar says except the proposed use of "ancestral" which is a great word to associate to stone-age pigs. Good job

Suggested names:
t. 1: quilboar manger
t. 2: quilboar shelter
t. 3: Ancestral bastion

By the way my appreciation goes to the great production of good models made by @Mister_Haudrauf, when I see his wips I wish I had some more free time from work to make some models myself :3

I just didn't want to put "Quillboar" before anything, but I think yours is better nonetheless.

 

[Cuore]

i still make the Thorns for the Upgrade: Protection of Agamaggan, which is basically a copy of the Orc's Spike Upgrade, just with thorns instead of Spikes.

Great idea

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Okay a "small" Update on the Mainbuilding.

Spoiler: Update: Mainbuilding

• Added Thorns to the Second and Third tier.

• Added two "fire-post's" and two "handrail's" on two free spots.

Quick question to all: I never made something with Lights and the question is can they be used in a tiered building?

I ask, because the two fire-post's will be on fire (well the top of them at least) and i want them to lighten up the Area around them.
Like the LanternPost.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

A new building for the Building set.

Spoiler: Insert Name here

The Image was taken while the model was in 'Stand Work'.


I personally don't know what to call it. The only clue i can give for you is that the base model was the Spirit Lodge.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Again a small update on the Mainbuilding and new building.

I tested if Light could be used in tiered buildings and it worked.

Here is the Result:

Spoiler: Mainbuilding Lights

and the new building. Based on the Orc Barracks:

Spoiler: Insert Name here

Again like last time it's you choice how to call this.

I now call the name-makers.
@Cuore
@BossGengar

 

[Naze]

Cool building designs, Haudrauf! The only problem right now is that your barracks looks too much alike the current tier 1 main building. And I really like the vines idea.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Cool building designs, Haudrauf! The only problem right now is that your barracks looks too much alike the current tier 1 main building. And I really like the vines idea.

Any Idea on how make it more different?

 

[Naze]

Hmmm I guess I would make them different by greatly thickening the pillars and walls of the main building, so it'll maybe look more imposing and "main building"-like. Right now it looks a little too thin and frail.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Another new Building:

Spoiler: Altar of Agamaggan

The Picture was taken while the model was in the 'Stand'-animation.

Question to all should i add Thorns/Vines to this Building too. I am not really sure myself if i should add them.

 

[Naze]

Looking good! Yeah the thorns/vines won't fit if they rise from the stone ground. Also, as you would imagine, the texture on the floor is too streched. In case you really want to add vines, you could bypass both problems by adding an inner circle of dirt to the base: the streched stone texture won't have to cover such a large area; and it could also be a place where adding vines would be justified.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Okay a quick update on the Altar of Agamaggan:

Spoiler: Altar of Agamaggan

• The Texture on the buttom "circle" was much more streched. Now it shouldn't the case anymore or is less noticable. @Naze does it look better now?

Also i should mention that the Boar on top of the upper "Circle" has a custom texture.

 

[Naze]

Yeah it does look less stretched.

It's looking alright now, but still doesn't fit too much the Blizzard building models style: I know it's unfinished right, but compare the base "circle" of your model to the base of the original human altar. See how Blizzard's modeler didn't let the same texture stretch over an area that's too large, he kept putting other geosets with different textures or objects that would come and give some variation. Just like you did with the barracks, it looks great.

However your model does have an interesting design and is acceptable now! What I wrote above are merely comments on the design.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

The only problem i will have is the last building. The equivalent to the Vodoo-Lounge.


Edit: One thing the last buildings of all races have in common is that they are all shop buildings

Spoiler: Shopbuildings

I can't imagine what quilboar would want to sell.

 

[BossGengar]

Again a small update on the Mainbuilding and new building.

I tested if Light could be used in tiered buildings and it worked.

Here is the Result:

Spoiler: Mainbuilding Lights

and the new building. Based on the Orc Barracks:

Spoiler: Insert Name here

Again like last time it's you choice how to call this.

I now call the name-makers.
@Cuore
@BossGengar

Lineal Cantonment or Garrison

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Lineal Cantonment or Garrison

Take the "Lineal" out of it then it's legit.

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Again a new building. I think you can guess what building it represents.

Spoiler: Insert name here

Any suggestions for it?

Edit: Also yes the Thorns wrap around the Tower and this is the only way i could think of about adding them.

 

[BossGengar]

Take the "Lineal" out of it then it's legit.

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Again a new building. I think you can guess what building it represents.

Spoiler: Insert name here

Any suggestions for it?

I would say 'Thorny Spire or Edifice'

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Thorny Spire

Okay the name is legit and will be used for the tower.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Aaannd the last building for today. The Quilboar Hut.

Spoiler: Quilboar Hut

Because this Building will be used so much for food. I decided not to make it too fancy.
And there are no Thorns. So no natural protection.

 

[stein123]

Aaannd the last building for today. The Quilboar Hut.

Spoiler: Quilboar Hut

Because this Building will be used so much for food. I decided not to make it too fancy.
And there are no Thorns. So no natural protection.

Roasted Quilboar :3
Toasty ♥

 

[Deolrin]

Very cool stuff. I think you should work on some of the stretchy ground textures though, like the Quillboar Hut and the Altar, and make them, well, not stretchy. Change the texture entirely if need be.
Also - I think the Orc base doesn't fit the Barracks and Great Hall buildings. It's not great to have two races with the exact same base texture. I think you should try and come up with your own base - look at Mephestrial's Gnoll buildings for an example (a crater).
Finally, the Barracks and Tier 1 main building are too similar. I think the tier 1 building needs to look more impressive and larger. The main problem is that both buildings use the same base.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Very cool stuff. I think you should work on some of the stretchy ground textures though, like the Quillboar Hut and the Altar, and make them, well, not stretchy. Change the texture entirely if need be.
Also - I think the Orc base doesn't fit the Barracks and Great Hall buildings. It's not great to have two races with the exact same base texture. I think you should try and come up with your own base - look at Mephestrial's Gnoll buildings for an example (a crater).
Finally, the Barracks and Tier 1 main building are too similar. I think the tier 1 building needs to look more impressive and larger. The main problem is that both buildings use the same base.

Thank you for the feedback.

• For the stretchey ground textures: I see what can be done.

• While it is not great, i can't think of anything different. Aside from changing the ground texture: Which would look like this:
  Spoiler: Base with Barren texture.

  

• For the Similarities between Tier 1 and "the Barracks": If i change anything then it will be "the barracks".

 

[Cuore]

This is looking much nicer from the early wip! Good job finding the right textures

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

This is looking much nicer! Good job

What is looking much nicer? You mean the base using the barrenrock texture?

 

[Cuore]

yes it's more pigmen and less orc than before.
And the altar update is also a big improvement.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

yes it's more pigmen and less orc than before.
And the altar update is also a big improvement.

Well okay then. I will update the other buildings with this texture.

 

[Deolrin]

Wait though. You definitely need to work on the texture making more sense and not just splattering it all over the Base. Moreover I think the Base itself needs some mesh edits to make it fit.
Wooden or stone pillars could be taken from Barrens doodads, and I'm not certain the fence is needed. Just try to make your own base with a unique texture by mixing some Barrens doodads, that's how I would do it at least.
Right now the base looks awful. It's unique, and the colour/texture is fitting, but it makes no sense (wooden pillars and fence wrapped with a wild stone texture) and the overall wrap looks terrible. Work on it and then implement it for the main structure as well.

By the way, there's another Thorns doodad you might want to look into. You could use it to your advantage:

They look similar to World of Warcraft's Razorfen Downs and other Quillboar/Razormane areas.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

By the way, there's another Thorns doodad you might want to look into. You could use it to your advantage:

They look similar to World of Warcraft's Razorfen Downs and other Quillboar/Razormane areas.

I can't and won't use this. I want the Thorns to be 3D models not just 2D textures that give the Illusion of being 3D.

So it's rather a disadvantage.

Look at it like this my Thorns grow from the ground during birth/upgrade and wrap around the building. I can't do this with these.

Edit:

Wait though. You definitely need to work on the texture making more sense and not just splattering it all over the Base. Moreover I think the Base itself needs some mesh edits to make it fit.
Wooden or stone pillars could be taken from Barrens doodads, and I'm not certain the fence is needed. Just try to make your own base with a unique texture by mixing some Barrens doodads, that's how I would do it at least.
Right now the base looks awful. It's unique, and the colour/texture is fitting, but it makes no sense (wooden pillars and fence wrapped with a wild stone texture) and the overall wrap looks terrible. Work on it and then implement it for the main structure as well.

Also i don't edit things i make these from scratch if the need arises.

 

[Deolrin]

You don't have to limit your creativity so much... You can have more than one type of thorn. The 2D thorns can grow on the 3D ones, or they can fit elsewhere in the model, and they can still 'grow' during the Birth animation. It's just a suggestion at any rate.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

And at Zero once again.

Spoiler: New "simple" base

Spoiler: Tier1

Spoiler: Tier2

Spoiler: Tier3

I don't lie when i say that this "Base" is scratch made with some rock doodads...... It's a base what do you expect.

 

[Deolrin]

Well... As I said you could look at Mephestrial's Gnoll buildigns for inspiration. I dunno, I'm sure there's a more elegant solution to this.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Well... As I said you could look at Mephestrial's Gnoll buildigns for inspiration. I dunno, I'm sure there's a more elegant solution to this.

Don't worry that was a joke i sometimes pull when i have a headache and don't exactly know what to do.

But if you really are that concerned about the base then don't worry. After watching several lore videos that showed quilboar buildings and camps i have an Idea and i will improve that "Joke" to be more elegant and in general being better and more suited.

 

[Deolrin]

That's awesome to hear, looking forward to seeing that.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Okay here is the real new base. This time i used the Barracks.

Spoiler: Barracks with new base

I took a look at the base of Mephestrial's Gnoll buildings and this came out of it. Keep in mind that this is only the barracks so other buildings could have things like rocks and spires around them.

Again the base is actually scratch made. here:

Spoiler: Base WIP

 

[Deolrin]

It's really cool! But I don't really like the ramp, it seems out of place. This part:

It might be actually be better if you just close it off with the same texture? Or something else, dunno.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

It's really cool! But I don't really like the ramp, it seems out of place. This part:

It might be actually be better if you just close it off with the same texture? Or something else, dunno.

Well it's kinda difficult to find a way to wrap this so that it makes sense.
This is actually the best way i could think of.

But i did what you said and it looks this way:

Spoiler

THe Stone texture has to be there. Even if it's out of place.

 

[Deolrin]

It's a bit awkward. But already better. I don't really understand why'd you need those 'borders' though, why not just wrap the same texture all around?

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

It's a bit awkward. But already better. I don't really understand why'd you need those 'borders' though, why not just wrap the same texture all around?

Okay. I tried it again and you're lucky, very lucky that i could wrap the texture around properly.

Here is the result:

Spoiler

Now is this okay @Deolrin ?

 

[Deolrin]

Yeah! Don't you see that it looks much better?

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Okay here is a small update on the Mainbuilding and another building.

Spoiler: Mainbuilding

Spoiler: Tier1

Spoiler: Tier2

Spoiler: Tier3

• The Mainbuilding has a different base.

Spoiler: House of Ancestry

• The Building is now called: "House of Ancestry".

• The Building has a different base.

Also "the Barracks"-building is now called "Training Camp"

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Okay here is a new building.

Spoiler: Quilboar Forge

• This building, which is called "Quilboar Forge", is the equivalent to the Orc Forge. True that it doesn't have a stationary saw, but i assume that the quilboar cut the wood that they gather with a simple axe.

- The furnace and Logholder (and logs) are scratch-made.