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And a god can create itself, but no other thing can create itself? Let's say god is Michelangelo, and the universe is the Mona Lisa. Is it more likely for Michelangelo to spring into being, or the Mona Lisa?
Similarly, what was there before god?
Besides, the obvious counter to the 'before' argument is that time may be circular, not linear, and so everything has allways existed.
In any case, as this is my post for #800, I won't close it for another post, or whenever I check.
Shados, good to see you using your brain power. However, this was not an issue of 'How did God come to be', or 'what was there before God', but rather explaining God through logic.
Any opinion of mine on your questions is just that. Same goes with anyone else who wants to tackle that question of 'before God'. I will give you my opinion since you asked for it.
We've all only been speaking of and about logic. I preseted the fact that something cannot possibly come from no-thing; that which does not exist cannot birth anything into existence. So, according to nothing as a reality, not even God could POSSIBLY exist.
From these facts i personally have concluded, for myself, that God has always been. God never was not.
And if God never was not, could there be something else besides God? Well, understand that God is not human. God is not a being nor is God personal. God is not A being, God IS being. God is not personal, God is impersonal (universal). God is the accumulation of all the power that does and could ever exist on every fathomable level of imagination and reality (meaning, including dimensions). It is not biased, it is just. It's laws apply to ever being, and given our free-will, even the wisest and holiest of men could choose to do bad actions (except they wouldn't be so stupid to do so), and they would be subjected to the same "punishment" (Karma) as anyone else. Just HOW that "punishment" is deleivered is unique to the person.
I personally believe that suffering, as in a constant suffering, for example, from lonliness, is an expenditure of bad Karma.
Moving on.
This is what i think happened. God created our souls. We began to question God about ourselves. Why would we ever question ourselves if we came from the all-knowing? Why would God create the ignorant if he could simply make an equal companion for himself? (that's my answer to the previous question).
So, instead of spoiling his creations by divulging in the knowledge of all power and wisdom, he created these physical existences for us, sort of like a playground. There is a goal to this playground, to become one with the maker. How do we reach that goal? By experiencing ourselves as the gods that we are. We are of God, God has given us examples (dieties), even knowledge (various spiritual texts) to get through this game. When we experience ourselves we uncover answers which relate to the existence and workings of God. Once we understand these concepts, which takes any number of lifetimes, depending on the mistakes we make in the previous, we become the power of God. This is why dieties have shown much power in their times here on Earth. It's why when Jesus was asked to show "the Father", he replied, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I am in the Father and the Father in me."
I do not support modern Christian values, for they are disgrace. I do support the universal knowledge which exists in the spiritual texts, which are history books if not a direct source of understanding, and someone's ignorance of the words and the purpose and meanings behind such texts should not be tolerated without defense. The offensive to enlighten.
I have already enlightened one of the fallacy of the circular logic fallacy, and that's the way i think it should be done. Of course, MySpaceBarBroke is open-minded enough to accept and learn from what i say without being pitifully defensive. Sometimes it's just not possible with others in their lifetime.
So i ask of you not to get defensive to this post, which is purely my personal opinion.