Diablo III Warcraft Beta v1.19b

[Super-Sheep]

Nah, imo some of the Diablo spells are boring.

 

[Bartimaeus]

The tower-type thing by the rocks at the end of the hallway at the beginning by the gate is vulnerable, and so are any other copies of it.

(edit) Wizard's Regeneration aura affects enemy units.

 

[CloudMax]

They are suppost to be breakable. In the diablo 3 gameplay they say that almost all objects will be breakable, so a few stones is to be honest to little.

 

[redmarine]

(edit) wizard's regeneration aura affects enemy units.

LTGH, perhaps you should ask your master to fix this bug.

 

[CloudMax]

He's not my master, he's my god.
Its just my part of the team to reply on the topic if you didnt knew.
Anyway, that bug is already fixed by me.

The Team

Triggering and spell creation:
- RolePlaynGamer
- The_Silent
- redscores

System Triggering, Suggestions & Forumer:
- LTGH

Terrain and Project Coordinator:
- CloudWolf

 

[Shanghai]

good that u remaking the spells i tested this in 1 player single player its to hard to kill the zombies :S and stuff otherwise it was kinda fun.

 

[Lumograph090]

I have played the most recent version just last night and I must say, its looking very good. There are a few things I would love to see fixed/cleaned up. That being...

Spelling, Grammar, Suffixes!

Some of the items tool tip, and basic tool tips are worded very badly, personally I would advise going over every item and cleaning it up a bit.

Grammar, quite a lot of the items have bad grammar. I know this is not a current #1 issue, however with a map coming along like this I would love to see it put together in as much a professional and neat manner as possible.

Suffixes!!! I can only assume Diablo 3 will keep with the past, and more likely general suffixes used on many randomly generated items in not only the Diablo universe, but in any MMO or RPG. IE. Armor of Agility, should more than likely use Armor of the Monkey. (Preferably one of the Diablo suffixes, etc as seen here Diablo II Item Suffixes) (I would be more than willing to offer a hand at doing a complete item, and item tool tip overhaul)

Also, with this more recent addition (1.11) there are a few spells that have incorrect, or to an extent broken tool tips. A few of the Barbarian abilities have messed up text causing lines to start next to a previous ability looking something like this...

Level 1: X Damage
Level 2: X DamageLevel 3
X Damage

Gameplay in 1.11

The Siege Breaker Assault Beast uses his knock ability a hell of a lot, personally I feel the ability needs to be toned down, or at least put on a longer cool down.

Also! Allow Health Potions to stack like Mana Potions, its annoying that my fellow party members can carry 8 or more Mana Potions and I can only carry a max of 3 Health Potions!

Aside from that 1.11 and more importantly the BETA is shaping up quite nicely and I can't wait to see the new inventory system!

 

[CloudWolf]

I have played the most recent version just last night and I must say, its looking very good. There are a few things I would love to see fixed/cleaned up. That being...

Spelling, Grammar, Suffixes!

Some of the items tool tip, and basic tool tips are worded very badly, personally I would advise going over every item and cleaning it up a bit.

Grammar, quite a lot of the items have bad grammar. I know this is not a current #1 issue, however with a map coming along like this I would love to see it put together in as much a professional and neat manner as possible.

Suffixes!!! I can only assume Diablo 3 will keep with the past, and more likely general suffixes used on many randomly generated items in not only the Diablo universe, but in any MMO or RPG. IE. Armor of Agility, should more than likely use Armor of the Monkey. (Preferably one of the Diablo suffixes, etc as seen here Diablo II Item Suffixes) (I would be more than willing to offer a hand at doing a complete item, and item tool tip overhaul)

Also, with this more recent addition (1.11) there are a few spells that have incorrect, or to an extent broken tool tips. A few of the Barbarian abilities have messed up text causing lines to start next to a previous ability looking something like this...

Level 1: X Damage
Level 2: X DamageLevel 3
X Damage

Gameplay in 1.11

The Siege Breaker Assault Beast uses his knock ability a hell of a lot, personally I feel the ability needs to be toned down, or at least put on a longer cool down.

Also! Allow Health Potions to stack like Mana Potions, its annoying that my fellow party members can carry 8 or more Mana Potions and I can only carry a max of 3 Health Potions!

Aside from that 1.11 and more importantly the BETA is shaping up quite nicely and I can't wait to see the new inventory system!

Thanks for the review

I recently added some new abilities to the siegebreaker to make him more interesting, but your right xD Those knockback spells are rather annoying at the rate they currenty occur :S I'll be sure to adjust that for 1.12

As for the health potions, they do stack I just retested it myself. You just need an open slot in order to pick them up. As far as I know, you cant get a potion to stack if the inventory is full due to warcraft inventory restrictions, but I'll take a look into it, and see if I can get them to stack even with a full inventory

As for those typos, and description bugs, I swear they're breeding I keep fixing them, and they keep appearing lol As for grammar and spelling, its not that I'm bad at it, I've just gotten into lazy habits whil'st typing, especially as I type rather fast, and rarely check what I've written It happens to the best of us =[ I'll fix them whenever I see them though

As for the tooltips, ty! I beleive the example you found was on the stamina ability Just fixed it for 1.12!

Also, that idea about suffixes is a rather good one That way, diablo players may recognise a few of the items, which in turn should help to create the diablo mood even further

Keep those reviews coming! Otherwise how else are we going to improve this map?

 

[DiewazZz_lt]

Everything looks pretty good. One sugestion in models. Witch doctor could be Shadowhunter hero with additonal weopon and mask without beard. 1.11 ver witch doctor doesnt look good.

 

[CloudWolf]

Right! im afraid im going home from uni this weekend Havent been back in like a month, so I dont really wanna have to spend it being unsocial lol

So in conclusion, there won't be any updates until next week =]

 

[CloudMax]

You can make the potion drops to powerups so when you take the powerups, you get a potion, that would make it possible to stack, i think. Still not sure about it, but i think that will work. And when a player drops a potion, replace it whit a powerup.

And if im right, there will be alot of work on 1.12 and that will make it hard for both of us to work at the same time :'o

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Shouldn't there be spell resistances in Diablo III ?

 

[CloudMax]

Why do you wonder, bboy-tiger-?

 

[Bartimaeus]

Once you guys are done with the abilities, and put in more items, I'll give you a version with typos fixed, if you want.

 

[CloudMax]

Thnx for your kindness, Bartimaeus.
But im afraid that your typo fixes will dissaper as soon as i have figured out how to make my pickup system. After im done with the pickup system, My inventory will be working for player one. Then i just have to redo it for the 5 other players.
But right now i dont have time to work on that system becouse of " ".

 

[Rot]

I've only sorta fiddled around with this on single player; and I'm sure my remarks will be virtual copy pasta of things you've already heard; but:

first off; the actual map design is amazing and beautfiul.

I'm sure this took a lot of work.

second:

the witch doctor is virtually perfect. firebomb is awesome; the pets are awesome; the heal is meh; but someone needed some sort of heal; and the mana drain forces a player to decide whether they want stronger abilities or the ability to control mana issues through paying attention & actively utilizing their abilities.

the wizard is a tad more sketchy; she's still got some impressive custom abilities but... I dunno. tbh; I actually enjoyed your witch doctor more than I liked the witch doctor from watching the gameplay vids. the wizard; otoh; was the opposite. I understand that this is a WC3 map, and one being designed by a single person at that, and again want to stress that what you've done is impressive; but I think the wizard could use a little more tweaking. I'm normally not into casters; but when I saw the gameplay videos I couldnt help but think to myself "damn; this may be the first time I seriously pursue a caster character.

the barbarian; on the other hand; really; really needs some rebalancing. I honestly think a small party could do just fine without him as he is now; whereas the witch doctor & wizard feel more essential.

barbarian pros: its nice that his whirlwind also helps regenerate life. this makes it an all-around good ability.

-cons: his mana regen is too low & ability costs are too high for him to do anything but attack with any regularity- this is very much what blizzard is specifically aiming to get away from with the D3 barb.

-even if you just try to build him as a bland auto-attack whore like you could do with any generic hero from any generic campaign; hes pretty weak early on. just because hes melee shouldnt mean hes more boring than the other classes.

if you havent checked it out before; you may want to check out "The Black Road" wc map. its an online multiplayer game that took a fun and interesting approach to non-casters. the barbarian, in specific, works similar to the "Rage" concept blizzard has used for warriors in WoW and the barbarians in D3.

through the use of triggers the barbarian naturally degenerates mana during downtime; but attacking, killing, and taking damage all give the barbarian mana; allowing them to use a lot more abilities when they're on the front lines of a hectic fight.

adopting a system similar or working out something on your own would make your barb a lot more fun to play. as is, he feels like a boring meatshield who isnt even really necessary if a witchdoctor focuses on just their pets & mana steal.

all that aside; this is a serious quality map that, with the amount of work you continue to put into it looks like it will be played by many WC3 fans even after the actual D3 is released!

 

[Lumograph090]

Another thing I would love to see happen is an increase in Health and Mana regeneration. Perhaps it would be possible to run a trigger checking the last time a unit has taken or delt damage, if the time in which these actions last occurred was less than say <= 30 seconds then create a dummy unit and cast Rejuvenation on that particular unit.

A way you could go about preventing this from being abused to give an edge on say boss encounters just use the out of combat item rejuvenation ability to restores mana and health, this way if the hero then rushes into combat as soon as s/he is attacked the buff will fade.

Personally I feel this would be a great addition to the game play and keep the game moving at a more steady pace.

 

[Oziris]

Lol, - RolePlaynGamer is not in the team, i asked him.....he is working with me, on a dungeon map.

 

[CloudMax]

@Oziris
Thats becouse CloudWolf forgot to change the team list.
Hes the one i contact when we need some help, ask him about that.
He said that himself "im not really in the team, i just help you guys when its needed"
And that is as beggin a part of the team, just at the wrong spot in our team list.
@Lumograph090
That idea is kinda good BUT... omg... its that BUT again.... this map is not suppost to be to easy, me, cloudwolf and 3 other quys rushed trought the map without getting any problems. We just gave potions, anks and stuff to the people that needed it. also called "team work". ^^ So thats not really needed. But i think that blizzard will add health/mana per second outside of combat. But thats not confirmed yet i think :O

 

[Wazzz]

Wow, the terrain is super-sexy, the darkness of the units and pretty much everything REALLY suits it... Good job! However, I find it annoying how you cannot play single-player, due to the fact that there are so many Ghouls at the start. Anyway, if you were intending it to be online, I think you definitely increased the dependency on there being other players. I love the look of it, don't give up now! Awesome terrain!

 

[Darkenneko_003]

Hes not on ANY of your teams! >=O!
Hes on my Team, =3 For Everwood! Whoooo! xD
What a man whore, spreading himself out like that, -_-

 

[Verisimilitude]

Well-designed map with a great Diablo atmosphere.

Witch Doctor is amazingly imbalanced. The other two aren't even needed--the Witch Doctor can easily solo the whole thing. Why?
1) He has pets to distract enemy attacks. They even do damage. Heh.
2) His heal has a low cooldown and doesn't cost very much mana for a decently massive output. 1000hp with like 6 seconds of cooldown makes for easy survival.
3) He can easily rush from one combat to the next, deploying pets to distract, then mana nomnomnom on any of multitudes of mana-heavy foes in order to fuel his Fire Bomb (massive -armor and DPS), heal spams, heal + dps (Locust), or pets (after the cooldown). This makes him drain to full mana and hp between every fight.

The Wizard, however, cannot heal and has cooldowns which prevent from killing things as fast as they come.

The Barbarian has little healing ability or survivability and is basically a DPS melee hero, not a tank.

 

[ProfessorZmurge]

And I tought Barbarian was imba

 

[CloudMax]

Witch Doctor is amazingly imbalanced. The other two aren't even needed--the Witch Doctor can easily solo the whole thing. Why?
1) He has pets to distract enemy attacks. They even do damage. Heh.
2) His heal has a low cooldown and doesn't cost very much mana for a decently massive output. 1000hp with like 6 seconds of cooldown makes for easy survival.
3) He can easily rush from one combat to the next, deploying pets to distract, then mana nomnomnom on any of multitudes of mana-heavy foes in order to fuel his Fire Bomb (massive -armor and DPS), heal spams, heal + dps (Locust), or pets (after the cooldown). This makes him drain to full mana and hp between every fight.

Dude, you really dont read anything of what we said in the last 2/3 pages.
all can solo this map, becouse we have a system that makes it possible to do it in single player. Its not imbalaced its suppost to be like that.
And i can say "witch doctor is not needed, barbarian can solo everything" well, all can solo everything since its suppost to be possible. Okey?
So i just want to say, he is not more "Inbalanced" then the others.
And btw, we are reworking on all the spells, also said that a several of times.

And what do you mean with barbarian is not a tank? Can you please explain that.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Dude, you really dont read anything of what we said in the last 2/3 pages.

And what do you mean with barbarian is not a tank? Can you please explain that.

No, I didn't read the last few pages. I'm not going to sift through 51 (!) pages to look up information on this.

I just looked back through the past 3 pages and saw no mention of it, though I did see a version update. Curious, eh?

Barbarian:
+AS (passive)
Cleave (passive)
Shockwave
Stomp
Whirlwind.

Only Whirlwind even gives mention of health. What is a tank with abilities which equate to a DPS hero?
When I used Barbarian, I couldn't just rush from group to group and slaughter everything like with the Witch Doctor. The easy of use and versatility of the Witch Doctor make him imbalanced. The other classes don't even have a decent heal, other than a small hpregen bonus.

 

[CloudMax]

Tanks dont always have healing spells, lol.
I havnt seen a warrior in wow with healing spells. But i have seen a paladin with that.
Barbarian/Warrior they are almost exactly the same.
And well, i told you, All the spells will be reworked. And i can make the creatures that witch doctor summons a little weaker if thats what you want. I dont really know myself since i play Barbarian and Wizard and im more in the world editor then the map itself.

 

[Dekku]

Hello cloudwolf

I did just put a spell pack here at hive. There are 31 triggered spells.

Maybe you can find something usefull?

"31" Trigger Enhanced Spells - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site

 

[CloudMax]

I made a fast look trought them and it looks like none of them works like the diablo 3 spells so im afraid we wont use them but i just took a fast look, if there is any spells there that works like in diablo 3, can you please post their descriptions from that page?
We are going to rework all the spells to make them like the actual D3 spells so we want them to be like D3.

Anyway, that is a freaking awesome spell pack you got there. Did you make them for a map of your own?

 

[Super-Sheep]

In map description ...

Spells by Dekku
Triggers by Dekku
Terrain by Dekku


So, think... hmm..

 

[CloudMax]

In map description ...

Spells by Dekku
Triggers by Dekku
Terrain by Dekku


So, think... hmm..

I dont get it..

Even if he made the spells and the triggers, there can be a spell or two that works like D3, right? Since ive seen many of them in different places...

 

[Lumograph090]

@Oziris
Thats becouse CloudWolf forgot to change the team list.
Hes the one i contact when we need some help, ask him about that.
He said that himself "im not really in the team, i just help you guys when its needed"
And that is as beggin a part of the team, just at the wrong spot in our team list.
@Lumograph090
That idea is kinda good BUT... omg... its that BUT again.... this map is not suppost to be to easy, me, cloudwolf and 3 other quys rushed trought the map without getting any problems. We just gave potions, anks and stuff to the people that needed it. also called "team work". ^^ So thats not really needed. But i think that blizzard will add health/mana per second outside of combat. But thats not confirmed yet i think :O

O, yeah for sure, with a solid team its no issue at all. I'm speaking more from a stand point of either going at the map solo, or just with 2 people where down times does happen, and can slow things down quite a bit in my opinion.

 

[Soraphis]

i had played the witchdoktor
and i have to say:
he works like an necromancer, its unclever to let the pets explode ... because they deal more dmg. if they life ... but blizzard wants that the witchdoktor's pets dont life long
the witchdoktor should let them explode ...
i think the explosion has to deal more dmg ....

the witchdoktors firebomb ... i think you should look for the firebombspell from na_dann_ma_gogo (here)


the babarian .... he isnt verry strong ... imo he needs more armor or life
and his mana should be regenerate a bit faster ... hes to low for the enemys


the items:
charakter spezifical items should give only effekts to classes they are made for ....
my friend had played the wizzard ... and he has 'stolen' (XD) an thunder?hamma?
......


but: its a very good map, and only optical its the best map i seen ever ;-)

 

[CloudMax]

I want to say this one more time, but i guess i will have to say it 1000 more times.
We are reworking ALL spells and they will all be done like they are shown in the game plays, atleast we will do our best to replace them.

Barbarians mana... He dont have mana, its rage, you have to hit enemies to get more "mana".

And no, the items is not specially for one class, we just say what the item was made for but all should be able to use it. But well... im making a entire new full screen inventory so no worry about that...
If your friend "stole" a thunder hammer as a wizzard, hes just a noob, its not the maps fault.

And barbarian is strong enough? If you can complete the map with him, we dont have to make him stronger, that would make them unbalanced. And i completed the map with my 3 anks when we played 5 players. I was barbarian and took all armor items.

Barbarian is best as a tank, so only take armor items if your a tank.
If your a DPS Barbarian, ONLY take Weapons and let someone else tank so you dont get hurt.
Intellect/Mage hero's should only try to get the Intellect & Mana items so they can use abilitys more often.
If you do what i said above, you will complete the map without any problems at all.
They are not weak, you just need a tactic to go with.

 

[Darkenneko_003]

i had played the witchdoktor
and i have to say:
he works like an necromancer, its unclever to let the pets explode ... because they deal more dmg. if they life ... but blizzard wants that the witchdoktor's pets dont life long
the witchdoktor should let them explode ...
i think the explosion has to deal more dmg ....

the witchdoktors firebomb ... i think you should look for the firebombspell from na_dann_ma_gogo (here)


the babarian .... he isnt verry strong ... imo he needs more armor or life
and his mana should be regenerate a bit faster ... hes to low for the enemys


the items:
charakter spezifical items should give only effekts to classes they are made for ....
my friend had played the wizzard ... and he has 'stolen' (XD) an thunder?hamma?
......


but: its a very good map, and only optical its the best map i seen ever ;-)

Dear god man,
Go to school, your spelling is atrocious,
Especially when more than half of the words you said are up all over this thread.
Also, About items, thats wrong, because Diablo 1 & 2 were never like that, anyone could use any item, so you will just have to get over it.

ALSO,
Barbarians don't use mana they have "Rage" the rage goes up every time you hit a enemy,
so, its not supposed to be maxed at any time, as its always going down.

 

[Lumograph090]

Dear god man,
Go to school, your spelling is atrocious,
Especially when more than half of the words you said are up all over this thread.
Also, About items, thats wrong, because Diablo 1 & 2 were never like that, anyone could use any item, so you will just have to get over it.

ALSO,
Barbarians don't use mana they have "Rage" the rage goes up every time you hit a enemy,
so, its not supposed to be maxed at any time, as its always going down.

Dear god man, not everyone speaks English. You can clearly tell his first language is NOT English.

Maybe the next time you reply to a thread you take a moment to act like you're not a 16 year old douche bag, arrogant fuck head.

*Edit* Also, there where a myriad of items in Diablo 2 and LOD that were class specific, perhaps aside from being an asshole you should also try to not be so ignorant.

 

[Wazzz]

Dear god man, not everyone speaks English. You can clearly tell his first language is NOT English.

Maybe the next time you reply to a thread you take a moment to act like you're not a 16 year old douche bag, arrogant fuck head.

*Edit* Also, there where a myriad of items in Diablo 2 and LOD that were class specific, perhaps aside from being an asshole you should also try to not be so ignorant.

I agree TOTALLY. There are people who have gone to a great extent to learn the English language, so how about helping them out, rather than being an asshole and saying 'Go to school'. Fuck, he's prlly got better English than most ppl who use it as their first language, so how about giving him a break? Besides, hiveworkshop is about helping other modders, not petty name-calling or harassment. Sure, I'm very critical of other ppls works and I'll tell it how it is, but never would I tell someone they're a dumbass just because they made a mistake.

Oh, and as for the Rage thing, I'd like to see you do a better job of the map yourself before you start to criticise. *Spit*

 

[CloudMax]

My main langue is not english and im 14, still i can talk a little good, right?

Darkenneko_003, your post was kinda useless to, wasnt it? I posted almost exactly what you posted above your post.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Who gonna remove the leaks? Its gonna take a long time, as this map leaks like ****. ><

 

[CloudMax]

I did not trigger the map, and im not touching anyone elses triggers so could you tell me wich triggers leak?

 

[Super-Sheep]

All.

 

[CloudMax]

T___T ALL in the entire map? T__T As if...

 

[Super-Sheep]

Well not ALL triggers leak, but about 80%. Also most of the leaking triggers have more than one leak. :s

 

[RaiN.]

Every group pick leaks currently. Many locations leak if not all.
That's based on 1.08 which i last checked.

 

[ProfessorZmurge]

T___T ALL in the entire map? T__T As if...

Owned.

 

[CloudMax]

Hmm.. ProfessorZmurge, that was a very, very, very useless post. The Quote text is not even right..

So, does this mean that we have to redo all triggers in the entire map? xD lol

 

[Super-Sheep]

So, does this mean that we have to redo all triggers in the entire map? xD lol

Kinda. :/

 

[RaiN.]

Not really. You just need to fix 'em with the right functions.
Read a leak cleaning tutorial and see what i mean. You can find some on the hive(probably)

 

[Oziris]

Hmm.. ProfessorZmurge, that was a very, very, very useless post. The Quote text is not even right..

So, does this mean that we have to redo all triggers in the entire map? xD lol

Owned. this post is more useless then a useless post =D
No really, you have to redo at least 80% of the triggers, and in my option you should redo the terrain 100% because it doesn't look like Diablo III at all. Just look at the gameplay video 1 and you will see what i mean.

 

[ProfessorZmurge]

Just clean the leaks, and if you can make a more efficient trigger that doesn't leak ^^

 

[CloudMax]

I know that the terrain could be better but we wont focus on that so much anymore, now the gameplay is more important. We will make our own custom maps with the Diablo 3 Style after this insted. ^^