Day of the Dragon

[OutsiderXE]

Progress report:
- Moved Mana Fusion (Rhonin loses life to destroy a corpse) to Spirit Priest: It just fits the Spirit Priest better; thematically and also the Spirit Priest can heal himself. Renamed to Redemption.
- Moved Redemption Aura to Arcane Master. It no longer destroys corpses but Rhonin's mana regeneration is increased for every nearby corpse. Renamed to Spectral Aura. New icon.
- Replaced Krasus' Entangling Roots with a Firebolt that stuns.
- New sound set for Falstad from Heroes of the Storm. Renamed Falstad unit name from Wildhammer Dwarf to Dragonreaver. Removed Death Coil effect from his Concussion Bolt spell.
- Chapter 7: Replaced Flesh Golem with a new boss...
- Started adding some events to the Northrend/Malygos map.
- Finished new abilities for Dragon Aspects in final fight.
- Added some secrets to some chapters.

- Not even finished with polishing of Chapter 1... Never really sure if the bugs appearing are by Blizzard or by me...

Status:
Chapter 1 - 90% - a few glitches and balancing
Chapter 2 - 95% - need to have another look, but last time I checked it was fine
Chapter 3 - 85% - might add a few more triggered events or leave it as it is
Chapter 4 - 95% - need to have another look, but last time I checked it was fine
Chapter 5 (Dalaran) - 95% - need to have another look, but last time I checked it was fine
Chapter 5 (Northrend) - 60% - will add more events to make enemies feel more dynamic. Unlikely chance I will add base building
Chapter 5 (Caverns of Time) - 0% - Might replace it with a new map (will decide once my other tasks are done). Otherwise it's fine
Chapter 5 (Emerald Dream) - 80% - might add some more events around the captured/sleeping night elve
Chapter 6 - 95% - need to have another look, but last time I checked it was fine
Chapter 7 - 80% - new boss fights need some tweaking and I need to have an extensive look for any other possible improvements
Chapter 8 - 20% - Some basic features are done, but I really need to wait for Blizzard to fix WC3

Overall: 80%
Aiming for a release in November 2018

 

[Cally]

So, I tried downloading the 2.30.1 PTR client and loading up that mission, and the crash with the summons is gone, so looks like that bug was indeed on blizzard's end.

Unfortunately, I now get another crash in the sub-map where you free the orc. When I move the woman onto the circle near the barn, then the cutscene plays, then it cuts to Krasus next to the cave. Almost immediately, the game crashes. Skipping the cutscene has the same effect - right after it cuts to Krasus and the cave, it crashes.

Not sure if this helps at all, but I see this in the logs:

9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'War3.mpq:Custom_V1/5c.w3x' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'enUS-War3Local.mpq:5c.w3x' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'War3.mpq:War3_med.mpq:5c.w3x' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'War3.mpq:5c.w3x' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'Deprecated.mpq:5c.w3x' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest '5c.w3x' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'enUS-War3Local.mpq:Custom_V1/L.mpq' for attachment point '/': E_NOT_FOUND
9/9 19:04:05.247  [20180909T18:54:06] {6a0} ERR: failed to read VFS manifest 'War3.mpq:Cust

I did play through the Northrend sub-mission before this, and didn't have any problems.

 

[OutsiderXE]

Sounds like a model can't be loaded. Nothing I am going to do about it. It worked before so I shouldn't be the one to fix it, otherwise I might be chasing Blizzard's bugs until the end of times.

have you tried reverting back to the previous version? Maybe now it works again... Just wait for my update. It is going to bring huge changes like numerous changes to balance, gameplay, bugfixing and some of the imported stuff. Some of the maps will be remade almost from scratch.

 

[Anaxie]

exciting change for Arcane Rhonin.

My favorite spec.

<3

firebolt for Krasus gets a thumbs up too for logic.

I agree basebuilding has no place in Malygos map.
The Dalaran Chapter is already very lengthy.

 

[OutsiderXE]

I almost finished polishing Chapters 1 and 2. Only minor things that affect all maps remain (e.g. updated loading screens, victory screens, check what bugs from Blizzard side still remain etc.) which I will tend to after finishing the other maps.

I have decided to remake Chapter 3. In my opinion it is currently too similar to Chapter 2 (Vereesa and Falstad fight dozens of orcs again - but need to escort Kryll and some Siege Tanks)... Features of the new Chapter 3:

1) A small section where you escort Kryll with plenty of triggered events (e.g. surprise attacks by creeps, or creeps fighting each other. Kryll might also become more dynamic; instead of just running back he might hide in a nearby building)
2) Base building with naval combat. I really liked the areas where you got to control a transport ship. The new map will expand on that, having you produce forces in your base and hiring plenty of ships to destroy enemy shipyards.
3) I am going to remove all orcs. Instead Kryll will remain the main antagonist after his betrayal. You are going to fight Kryll's goblin forces.
4) The map is going to be relatively small. I plan around 30 minutes of playtime, including all cinematics.

Given the small size of the map I think (hope) that it won't take too long to make. I'm sure I'm going to have a playable map by the end of the weekend.

 

[Anaxie]

The scope of this overhaul.

The old and new versons are must plays for people who never played Dotd.

Id make the old version a little more visible other than a link.

This is coming from someone who enjoys the resident evil directors cut more than re remake.

This update is more a reimagining of dotd than a update patch.

Not a bad thing!

Think you should lable it dotd 2.0 for more awareness other then keeping same name so people dont skip replaying.

 

[OutsiderXE]

I would do the versioning like this: x.y.z
x = huge change across the entire campaign (e.g. maps changed beyond recognition, different forms of gameplay) // a new experience
y = new or significantly altered features (e.g. new map, new spell, good amount of balance and bugfixing) // some cool features you might want to try
z = minor changes (e.g. typos, a few balance changes for a few maps) // nothing special, unless you had problems with a bug which got fixed

TLG:
1.01 -> 1.1.0
1.02 -> 1.2.0
1.03 -> 1.3.0
1.04 -> 2.0.0 (all maps got much smaller)
1.05 -> 2.1.0
1.06 -> 2.1.1 (hotfixes to some plotstoppers - Not Yet Released)

DotD:
1.01 -> 1.1.0
1.02 -> 1.2.0
1.03 -> 2.0.0 (some maps changed completely, massive amount of changes to gameplay)
1.04 -> 2.1.0
1.05 -> 2.1.1 (hotfix for a broken spell, update to a leaderboard and a quest requirement)
1.06 -> 3.0.0 (half of all maps will change completely)

LotC:
1.01 -> 1.1.0
1.02 -> 1.1.1 (repositioned a few objects, minor changes to balance)
1.03 -> 1.2.0
1.04 -> 2.0.0 (some maps changed completely, huge amount of changes to gameplay)
1.05 -> 2.1.0 (almost 3.0. New map and huge amount of changes to balance and bugfixing, but nothing game breaking)
1.06 -> 2.2.0 (almost 4.0. New map and huge amount of changes to balance and bugfixing, but nothing game breaking)

I don't like bumping up the versions like this, simply because I don't update very often, but I guess it's OK to show something like "Update 6 | Version 2.2.0" or "Version 2.2.0 (Update 6)", so we'll have both.

ideas for filenames:
old filename: LotC06e.w3n
new filename: LotC06eng.w3n
new filename: LotC__2_2_0_eng.w3n
new filename: LotC_eng_220.w3n
new filename: LotC_eng_2.2.0.w3n

 

[Anaxie]

Would be best to do how you outlined it yes.

If you dont read changelog most wont know

Many probably arent aware in the past few years youve added 2 new levels to lord of the clans and redone many of the maps in various ways

Thats how blizzard handles it too anyway for most of their games

X.y.z

X = major release content
Y = small release content
Z = fixes / tuning

 

[OutsiderXE]

Old Kryll escort area:

New Kryll escort area:

Not only is the terrain a hundred times better, but the gameplay is also more fun.

- Removed defeat condition "Don't let Kryll escape" - Kryll will now just run to a nearby bush and stay there until attacked. Previously it was pretty jarring when you had to chase Kryll over a huge distance;
now the bushes are nearby.
- You can no longer just run to the end of the area to trigger the cinematic.
- There are a few sections where enemies waves will spawn for some time and you have to defend Kryll.
- In some sections the enemies will come towards you.
- Fewer but more intense fights.
- Removed Sludge Monsters.
- Added more transmissions.

 

[joaquim98]

Damn your terraining keeps getting better and better. Keep the great work

 

[Anaxie]

And after this update youre gonna go make your 5th campaign

RISE OF THE HORDE

riiiiiiiiiiight

 

[OutsiderXE]

And after this update youre gonna go make your 5th campaign

RISE OF THE HORDE

riiiiiiiiiiight

Ssshhh don't let the cat out of the bag! After finishing the update for DotD I will take a look at LotC, TLG and SotX to but I don't want to be updating my old campaigns forever and those updates will definitely not be as big as DotD right now. There has to be a point where I say "stop". At some point I will also look into creating new projects. Maybe WC3, maybe SC2, maybe WC4, maybe something else...

 

[Anaxie]

Ssshhh don't let the cat out of the bag! After finishing the update for DotD I will take a look at LotC, TLG and SotX to but I don't want to be updating my old campaigns forever and those updates will definitely not be as big as DotD right now. There has to be a point where I say "stop". At some point I will also look into creating new projects. Maybe WC3, maybe SC2, maybe WC4, maybe something else...

Should of approached blizzard long ago.

How many man hours would it take them to create Warcraft 2.5 as you have with your trilogy?

Millions of dollars of work done for free.

 

[OutsiderXE]

I've finished the first playable version for the new Chapter 3. Only the Outro cinematic and balancing remain. I guess it will be finished in 3-7 days.

Features:
- Remade map from scratch
- Smaller Kryll escort with more triggered events like enemies appearing from behind
- Kryll now escapes towards the enemies, not the starting area. You only lose if he dies
- Completely replaced all orcs, ogres and the Steam Tank quest with goblins and a new quest
- Added base-building, enemy AI waves
- Added Shipyards that sell Ships (and you will need plenty)

old:

new:

Why the change?
Chapters 2 and 3 were too much alike (Vereesa+Falstad+Dwarven Mercs vs Orcs+Ogres), base-building feels very good after two chapters of only micro-management.

You've been workin on the update for ages. What's left to do?
That's in part because I renewed my WoW subscription a few months ago and I recently bought a PS4 and because the recent WC3 updates have been a mess; but I'm trying to spent as much time as possible working on the update. Next on my list is Chapter 8; which I had already started some time ago. Chapter 8 is missing the enemy AI, the bossfight and some changes to the cinematics. After Chapter 8 I will look at some submaps for Chapter 5. I might remake the Nozdormu map...

Chapter 1: 99%
Chapter 2: 99%
Chapter 3: 90%
Chapter 4: 95%
Chapter 5: 70-95%
Chapter 6: 95%
Chapter 7: 95%
Chapter 8: 60%

 

[Jarrakul]

Hey, so, I just downloaded this campaign (version 1.05, hosted here) a couple days ago, and I've been having a blast, but it seems like I'm running into a problem with chapter 5. Possibly the old problem with submap loading, possibly not. Hopefully someone can advise me.

So, I finish Nozdormu's task, and a cutscene plays. After the cutscene, I think the game tries to send me back to Dalaran, but the only thing I know for sure is that it CTDs. "The application encountered an unexpected error" is all the error message says (although it's a WC3 error message, not a Windows error message, if that matters). I have successfully completed the maps for both other aspects without encountering this problem.

Things I've tried, without success:
Loading the game and trying again
Restarting the mission and trying again
Visiting the aspects in a different order
Renaming the campaign files to something shorter (D.w3p)

This is a source of significant frustration in an otherwise excellent campaign. Anyone have any idea what else I could try? Thanks in advance for any and all help.

 

[OutsiderXE]

Hello. The game will not automatically send you back to Dalaran after the cutscene. Instead you should be moved to the Cave Entrance.

I am unable to reproduce this error. There might be some incompatibilities with the 1.05 update and the current WC3 version.

You can skip any map by typing "-winmap" (without the quotation marks, but don't forget the hyphen). Make sure to complete the optional quests in Dalaran if you take the evil route before.

 

[Jarrakul]

Ah okay. Hmm. Not sure what the problem is, then, but it's very consistent on my end. I ended up using the -winmap command as you suggested. A shame, but better than not being able to progress for sure. Thanks for the help!

 

[OutsiderXE]

Update on the update:
I was working on new abilities for the Aspects Battle in Chapter 8 when I realized that Krasus should have way cooler spells. I had said that I replaced Entangling Roots with Firebolt; but now I have replaced Firebolt with Cleansing Fire; It works very similar to Death Coil/Holy Light, in that it heals allies and damages enemies, but it works for all living units, not just undead. I also plan to replace Brilliance Aura with Dragon Shout. it will temporarily grant a (damage?) buff to nearby allied units and decrease mana cost of Cleansing Fire and Dragon Spirit by 25/50/75% while it lasts. Krasus will most likely have the same abilities in his dragon form. With this change I hope Krasus becomes a much more versatile fighter and supporter. I am still playing around with Dragon Shout. I would like its buff to be something that helps the Dragon Spirits, but a damage buff doesn't help much when their main source of damage is their flame aura.

Current status:
Chapter 1: 99%
Chapter 2: 99%
Chapter 3: 99%
Chapter 4: 95%
Chapter 5: 70-90% (improving terrain; balancing new Krasus spells; undecided on replacing Nozdormu mission)
Chapter 6: 95%
Chapter 7: 95%
Chapter 8: 60% (playing around with new abilities for the Aspect Battle*)

*The Aspect Battle is a mess on many levels and its cause are the WoW models. The wings of the dragons are way too big, especially when the dragons are flying. They overlap very often with other units. Their is also a problem with the selection; sometimes you drag-select them but their are not selected, or they are selected when you didn't intend to select them. I have fixed this to some degree but it's still flawed. Also, so far, I have been unable to import Alexstrasza's model from WoW. I guess I will leave that for last.
I have considered using their humanoid forms or deactivate flying for the battle, but it looks so much cooler when they are flying, at least at some point.
Next solution I will try is to increase height of the camera and lock it.

 

[Sieben]

It's amazing that you are still working hard on improving your fantastic campaigns after all these years. Thanks man!

 

[Anaxie]

Update on the update:
I was working on new abilities for the Aspects Battle in Chapter 8 when I realized that Krasus should have way cooler spells. I had said that I replaced Entangling Roots with Firebolt; but now I have replaced Firebolt with Cleansing Fire; It works very similar to Death Coil/Holy Light, in that it heals allies and damages enemies, but it works for all living units, not just undead. I also plan to replace Brilliance Aura with Dragon Shout. it will temporarily grant a (damage?) buff to nearby allied units and decrease mana cost of Cleansing Fire and Dragon Spirit by 25/50/75% while it lasts. Krasus will most likely have the same abilities in his dragon form. With this change I hope Krasus becomes a much more versatile fighter and supporter. I am still playing around with Dragon Shout. I would like its buff to be something that helps the Dragon Spirits, but a damage buff doesn't help much when their main source of damage is their flame aura.

Current status:
Chapter 1: 99%
Chapter 2: 99%
Chapter 3: 99%
Chapter 4: 95%
Chapter 5: 70-90% (improving terrain; balancing new Krasus spells; undecided on replacing Nozdormu mission)
Chapter 6: 95%
Chapter 7: 95%
Chapter 8: 60% (playing around with new abilities for the Aspect Battle*)

*The Aspect Battle is a mess on many levels and its cause are the WoW models. The wings of the dragons are way too big, especially when the dragons are flying. They overlap very often with other units. Their is also a problem with the selection; sometimes you drag-select them but their are not selected, or they are selected when you didn't intend to select them. I have fixed this to some degree but it's still flawed. Also, so far, I have been unable to import Alexstrasza's model from WoW. I guess I will leave that for last.
I have considered using their humanoid forms or deactivate flying for the battle, but it looks so much cooler when they are flying, at least at some point.
Next solution I will try is to increase height of the camera and lock it.

Definetly keep them flying maybe just make area wider with a further camera pan have their postions widened a slight bit more then

 

[JakedaSnak33]

just curious, are you going to be updating this for the 1.30/1.31 versions?

 

[OutsiderXE]

just curious, are you going to be updating this for the 1.30/1.31 versions?

Yes. I will not release it until WC3 is as bug-free as it was before all these updates. Currently it's not good enough so I will continue to make improvements. I still need at least another month anyway.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

Yes. I will not release it until WC3 is as bug-free as it was before all these updates. Currently it's not good enough so I will continue to make improvements. I still need at least another month anyway.

that is so great to hear. Here is hoping WC3 devs can get it all cleaned up. Im assuming your hold on updates is the same for your other campaigns? i had just finished Lord of the Clans and was 3 levels into Day of the Dragon--both are absolutely amazing by the way--when i updated WC3 without thinking. definitely looking forward to picking this up again!

Btw i just noticed that you did the SC2 Shadow of the Xelnaga campaign! I loved playing thru that as well!

 

[OutsiderXE]

that is so great to hear. Here is hoping WC3 devs can get it all cleaned up. Im assuming your hold on updates is the same for your other campaigns? i had just finished Lord of the Clans and was 3 levels into Day of the Dragon--both are absolutely amazing by the way--when i updated WC3 without thinking. definitely looking forward to picking this up again!

Btw i just noticed that you did the SC2 Shadow of the Xelnaga campaign! I loved playing thru that as well!

I am glad to hear that you liked SotX as well.

Updates for TLG and LotC will most likely be very small, just focusing on cleaning up the bugs that have been reported to me.

 

[OutsiderXE]

The update is on hold until I have more information about Reforged. I don't know yet if I should finish the update for WC3 Classic or if I should wait for Reforged to be released for a mega update. In the meantime I am working on small final update for The Last Guardian to be released next month.

 

[Anaxie]

The update is on hold until I have more information about Reforged. I don't know yet if I should finish the update for WC3 Classic or if I should wait for Reforged to be released for a mega update. In the meantime I am working on small final update for The Last Guardian to be released next month.

Makes sense. Might want to find unique models in the meantime veressa and rhonins models are going to move further away from the characters look in ref ok rged i think. Hive has a couple models of them i think.

 

[OutsiderXE]

At the moment I am leaning more towards finishing DotD for Classic and then just stop updating it for a while. It will probably take very long until there are enough high quality assets for Reforged. But we'll see; maybe ripping WoW models can do the trick.

I think the best thing might be to release final updates for TLG, DotD and LotC before Reforged, just one last time. And when Reforged is released to evaluate what the next steps can be. Maybe even a completely new project, without the burdens of old.

 

[totote97]

I was enjoying a lot your campaing until i finish the
Nozdormu quest and the game crashed

 

[OutsiderXE]

Yes, people have reported that. I am work on an update to The Last Guardian. I will continue updating DotD as soon as I'm done.

 

[OutsiderXE]

I am considering replacing the dragon aspects models with standard units models. While on ground they would appear in humanoid form (example: NozdormuTheTimelessOne) and while in the air they would have a standard Dragon model, maybe improved with some effects. The reason for this drastic change is that I wan't to make the final battle real-time instead of turn-based, but the models ripped from WoW cause several problems:
1) The model selection boxes are off. Often you would click on a unit and then it wouldn't be selected, or you would select it even though you clicked on a unit next to it. I have improved this a bit but my knowledge of modelling and the War3ModelEditor are too limited to make it good enough.
2) The wings are too big when they are flying. They block too much of the player view. I can scale down the entire model, but that will diminish the epic appearance of an aspect. I can zoom out for the final battle, but not when Alexstrasza can be controlled in the base building part. I can make them not be able to fly, but that kinda kills the point of a dragon.

Having the aspects in humanoid form will add some variety to their looks. Most likely these changes will not apply to Deathwing. During gameplay he will be at the edge of the screen so he won't block player view as much. Actually I plan to make him even bigger than before.

I don't like WoW rips, but I've always made an exception for the dragon aspects to emphasize their uniqueness. In any case, I believe gameplay is more important than visuals, and believe me, you would be annoyed with the controls very quickly.

Anyway, please let me know what you think. How attached are you to the WoW models? Maybe you have suggestions for different models or attachments to make them look cooler and more distinguishable from standard units?

 

[fang24]

I don't really care eather way what models you use but something to make them stand out? I mean maybe you can have the more combat one have armor bits on em while the more magic one has crystals floating around em. You know something to kind of play into what they are.

 

[OutsiderXE]

Attention: After some investigation on a test map I have found out that a map crashes when you create and destroy a multiboard and then a cinematic starts and ends... This may be the root cause for the crash in the Nozdormu map. I can't confirm this 100% for this map for now, but I have confirmed it for The Last Guardian and a test map created just for this. Please allow me a bit more time to figure out if this is what happens in DotD and how to deal with it.

 

[OutsiderXE]

With the TLG update almost completed I have resumed updating DotD. I polished Chapter 1 a bit more - what used to be one of my worst maps has now become the gold standard
I have also finished all the gameplay for Chapter 8. What remains now is terrain, cinematics, bugfixing and polishing. I think it's also very likely that I am going to remake Chapter 5C (Nozdormu), seeing as it's only reason for existence is the relation with Lord of the Clans, but everything else about the map really, really sucks. No ETA on the campaign, but likely sometime in Spring.

 

[Scarce]

How can I fix the error crash at the nozdormu quest?

 

[OutsiderXE]

I was just about to explain how to fix it and tell you that a big update is coming but it takes time and blablabla .... and then I realized I could just fix it myself quickly and save everyone the hassle...

So, sorry for the long wait guys! You can download the fixed version from Hiveworkshop.com now.

Big update is going well btw...

 

[OutsiderXE]

Evolution of Chapter 8:

1) Epic, but a lot of unused space

Hidden

2) More condensed, better visuals

Hidden

3) Even more condensed, vastly improved visuals, total gameplay remake

Hidden

Some of you will say "whaaat? Even more condensed? How is this going to the epic battle of Grim Batol?" Well, I actually removed a lot of redundant gameplay elements to make room for the cool ones.

Hidden

- Completely removed the first phase of the Caravan. It felt redundant to do it twice.
- The caravan now comes in small groups instead of just at the end of a timer.
- Completely removed the phase where Rhonin, Vereesa and Falstad move down the mountain. There is now only a very small section where Rhonin kills a few orcs. It wasn't bad to have the trio together for a while, but overall I felt that the campaign has enough gameplay that involve only heroes. I felt this map needed to focus on base building. BUT Vereesa and Falstad can now be part of the main base building phase if the player finds them.
- No longer needs to destroy the orc base to rescue Alexstrasza as she is now part of the Caravan.
- Completely removed first phase of dragon battle and replaced turn-based combat with real-time combat with completely new abilities.
- So many things removed? You're wondering what I actually added... After rescuing Alexstrasza Nekros doesn't remain dead. Instead he gets continuously respawned at a nearby Altar and accompanies the enemy attack waves. Players now have to destroy all Altars instead just some Towers. The gameplay of the map now focuses on your base and the enemy bases much sooner.
- Additionally: Alexstrasza is now a summoned unit via Krasus. The Demon Soul is now an ability. Fewer and smaller cinematics. Replaced custom aspect models with standard dragon models (Had to do it because they were bugged).

Map is still WIP: Need to remake the Outro cinematics, work on difficulty and polish.

 

[Sieben]

That's an incredible amount of work you've been doing here mate. I've got to say I'm sad the old levels are gone, but I'm excited to play the whole campaign again when it's done. Keep on the good work!

 

[Davion24]

I played this when it was much smaller and rougher, im glad it updated , doing great so far , but I get specific crashes, one is with Krasus (C5) using his W the summon dragon spirit , crashes it. passed this by not using W. The next is more game stopping since i cant continue (C6) i just need to destroy the red orc base but every time I attempt it crashes.

 

[OutsiderXE]

I played this when it was much smaller and rougher, im glad it updated , doing great so far , but I get specific crashes, one is with Krasus (C5) using his W the summon dragon spirit , crashes it. passed this by not using W. The next is more game stopping since i cant continue (C6) i just need to destroy the red orc base but every time I attempt it crashes.

Hello. Thanks for the report. Just checking: Did you get the latest version from Battle.net? 1.30.4

I will look into your bug reports as quickly as possible.

Can you describe the Chapter 6 situation more precisely? What happened right before the crash? Did you attack a building or a unit?

 

[Davion24]

@OutsiderXE Yes Im using on the latest patch. I just attacked it normally , it could be the blademaster or the dragon. I tried attacking with only heroes then tried attacking from a diff side still it crashes a few seconds into combat. I'll try to see if a specific enemy unit is doing it.

 

[OutsiderXE]

@OutsiderXE Yes Im using on the latest patch. I just attacked it normally , it could be the blademaster or the dragon. I tried attacking with only heroes then tried attacking from a diff side still it crashes a few seconds into combat. I'll try to see if a specific enemy unit is doing it.

With the recent patches anything that has to do with custom models may crash a map. I'll look at and hopefully can present a fix by the end of the weekend.

 

[Davion24]

With the recent patches anything that has to do with custom models may crash a map. I'll look at and hopefully can present a fix by the end of the weekend.

Ok with my great strategy I managed to pass the chapter by pulling each unit individually. None of them caused me to crash. Also 2 of the dragons are neutral instead of being red. Maybe they tried to devour a red unit thus the crash.

 

[OutsiderXE]

Ok with my great strategy I managed to pass the chapter by pulling each unit individually. None of them caused me to crash. Also 2 of the dragons are neutral instead of being red. Maybe they tried to devour a red unit thus the crash.

Bad news: I can reproduce neither the Dragon Spirit nor the base attack crash you described. I'm sure I experienced the Dragon Spirit crash myself at one point on the past though...

If you get very annoyed by all the bugs I recommend waiting fo the update. It's months away but it will include many completely revamped maps and overall improved gameplay experience.

 

[Wooden PC]

I've just finish replaying your campaign and found some bug in chapter 2. When I rescue the first mortal team I notice you make them invulnerable to prevent them from dying, but I accidentally walk them through the fire trap and they still die. Also when I run into the big battle with the orc and dwarf quickly I was able to control the hero mountain king as well(though he still die immediately, his icon still appear in the top left corner)
Also I played chapter 4 goblin island as well and honestly I think the older version was more enjoyable, probably because of more challenging puzzle and some silly joke that make this chapter unique in the campaign. The witch doctors' lines make me chuckle every times. It's sad that you removed some of it.
The last chapter was amazing, except the last section feel a bit weird. I guess that because I don't like turn-based fight very much, but I feel it's kinda slow for a finale, compare to the previous epic battle.
Anyway, I enjoy playing your campaign a lot, I love warcraft lore and your map making style make me love the story even more. I hope you will create more content in the future

 

[UkyoKuonji]

Great Story! But the last chapter where the dragon fight kinda dull for me because mostly the spell of dragon for supporting................ But thats fine ..

Found a bug when Krasus turn into human form below obstacle (e.g. Trees, Town Hall, altar of kings etc) he will turn into human while floating in air instead walking on the land.... Kinda funny for me to see some grunt attack krasus while he floating in air...

 

[OutsiderXE]

I am remaking the Chapter 5 Nozdormu map:
- Old map completely replaced. No more rescuing Thrall in old Durnholde
- Krasus travels to the past to the time when Rhonin was overconfident and reckless
- Base building with slightly altered human tech-tree: Archers instead of Riflemen. Ballistae instead of Mortar Teams/Siege Tanks
- Destroy orc outposts before Rhonin (uncontrollable) reaches them and dies
- New dialogue about Rhonin's past and how he became hated by the Kirin Tor

I am currently in a prototype phase, meaning I am trying out different concepts, so things I mentioned above can still change. It's going to be a small map with 20-30 minutes of playtime. No ETA on the update anymore. I barely have time to work on it and I fear I will not make it before Reforged is out

 

[Anaxie]

With such an update you may aswell of left it as is and made night of the dragon eyyyyyy

We all love ya @OutsiderXE

New bronze map sounds way better and more inspired. Kudos

 

[OutsiderXE]

With such an update you may aswell of left it as is and made night of the dragon eyyyyyy
...

This has actually been a thought of mine ever since I started updating the campaigns. Wouldn't it be more valueable if I just created something new? Honestly, I don't think people would want me to. My campaigns are liked because they form books/actual lore into campaigns, but I don't think they would be really worth it unless the gameplay was good.

The first versions of my WC3 campaigns, especially LotC, were horrible. Thrall's base abilities were War Stomp, Bash and Evasion. He had no ultimate. So imagine in a battle the only thing you could do is use War Stomp 2-3 times and then Thrall's mana would run out.

LotC has still big issues in my opinion:
- Many cinematics are too long
- There are too many maps and too many similar gameplay elements
- Thrall ability kit becomes quite boring after some time

I've started updating LotC to fix some of these issues, but more on that in the LotC thread when the time is right.

As I have often said, I will not continue updating the campaigns forever. I will give each one one last push. After that I will see what else I can work on.


I like theorizing about potential new projects. With Reforged on the horizon a new WC3 project would certainly be feasible.
- Rise of the Horde is my favourite book and from what I remember it has potential for a good campaign.
- I've recently reread Night of the Dragon. Could have some interesting gameplay mecahnics but I don't like its story very much, so the only reason to do it would be to have a sequel to DotD.
- War of the Ancients was a better read and is very popular, and it would also serve as a sequel to DotD. Unless I decided to do the no-time-travel variant. Only problem with WotA is that it's 3 books, so that would mean at least 20 maps.

 

[Anaxie]

Just do rise of the horde if you do another

Youve mulled around on the idea before plenty of times across the last few years about that book

Im well aware where it stands with you.

Its the more interesting story few are familiar with anyway.

Your options will pretty much be do it on wc3 with hive assets. More then enough of tauer's models ro fill out the roth cast. Or do it on reforged for a change of pace.

And probably be the most anticipated campaign for the new game.

You seemed ro get invested well enough into shadow of the xelnaga for a change of pace qhen sc2 first hit.



Also i dont think youd be eager to revise and overhaul a wota 20 map the way you do your triology. A long campaign and development would drag ass as time goes on.

Thats easily 5 years of development if not more.

While you have shown more then enough times across the last 16 years the commitment to your work.

That seems highly overambitious.

Maybe try something new to challenge yourself?

Legacy of lordaeron as far as i know is the ONLY campaign which is Rexxar format. That may allow for some fun gameplay and creatvity with whatever you choose and could more then easily be released episodic because of ACTS. It would probably be the best way to do WoTA since u could seperate them into 3 Acts and just generally have a main mega overlay map woth different storypoints taking place and a handful of dungeons or side areas.

With rhonin and friends being easy counterparts for the whole rexxar rohkhan chen trio

Thoughts? @OutsiderXE

 

[OutsiderXE]

I don't think I would have the time or the energy for a WotA campaign. RotH seems much more likely. There is probably not much of a difference, but I would base it on WC3 Reforged and not on WC3 Vanilla because going into the future Reforged is going to be the new standard. If I can use existing Hive assets I will use them and then replace them with more detailed versions later on.