Crisis at the Sunwell 2.0

[Moderator]

12:29, 7th Mar 2014
Hell_Master: Map approved with a rating of 3/5 (Acceptable). See moderator's review here:

Review emerges and I guess this is what Forsaken is waiting for.

So, I have played your map and as I promised, I will give a review of the map and decide it's fate probably. The map's an RPG type of map where team play or co-op play is needed to succeed but it's still possible in single player mode but will make the game much harder and longer.

I must say it's a good RPG that stays original to the original Warcraft and maintaining the feeling of it but judging on it's aspect RPG, sadly, this is just your everyday RPG but with a little twist of AoS like type of game. Everything looks so same from an RPG, no unique features, items which I expected to be custom are not and the item drops from creep enemies starts to get repetitive at times (most likely full of consumables item drops), stackable items wastes another space on the inventory (in an RPG map, it is much suggested if you'll simply make the item stacks as it is instead of wasting another inventory space which gives more better results), and etc.

Now what I find to be good in the RPG is that simply you've made a successful Warcraft RPG which is good to be honest. There are lots of enemies in the map which makes it quite enjoyable but just a tip, it would be highly suggested to remove the team color from the other units and creeps (team glows should only be for heroes) and some heroes to be honest also misses a team glow, a map where it'll make you explore the map for a reason that you need to unlock most doors and gates in the map and of course hunting for bosses mainly for items or level up, the terrain looks pretty good even for it's Warcraft-ish quality, I am admitting that. I liked how the terrain look. You placed most doodads wisely and not just in hopes of spamming it and etc.

Now, as for my suggestions for the map, it would be suggested for you to add more useful items mostly useful on RPGs. There are only some medium sets of custom items in the map and most are standard Warcraft items which to add also, gets repetitive dropping on creeps, the team glows on the units could be removed also for it is only meant for heroes (team glows on units might confuse the players on distinguishing heroes from units), some heroes on the other hands misses a team glow which I pretty much think should have one. A quick tip in lined with the team glow, if you are using a model with a hero glow both on a hero unit and creep unit, it would be pretty much suggested to use it only once either just a unit or hero depending if it has team glow which should be for hero and if without for unit, the map as well could have more custom interface and some greater description instead of the standard way of giving descriptions and tooltips to things and stuffs. It would be much appreciated if you are to formulate a description/tooltip template! and etc.

Overall, I enjoyed the map but judging as what I've said basing on it's level as an RPG map, it's just your everyday RPG and nothing unique sadly.

Rated 3/5 and Approved still.

 

[Heinvers]

You're fast. I'm watching you Forsaken My eyes on you! Expect my review later

 

[NelsonLaJe]

My draenei hero, looks f***ing good xD

 

[Binsu]

That was a sudden turn of evens there. Good to see the map as a start and knowing me, I am an RPG fanatic and I would really like to see this through but sadly, I am quite busy.

Expect a review either later or if not, soon. I do not want to leave this map hanging out that long in the Pending Sections.

 

[Crigges]

Well the vision is not realy clear due to the massive use of effects. Maybe you can reduce the scaling and or the amount.
In my eyes good vision and nice looking eye candy don't contradict each other. If fx are well used they can improve to understand spells and their area of effect. But if they are overused the spells gets unclear, you loose vision and it just looks bad.

 

[Chen]

Yay! Dollunar! I'll play it immediately! My favorite race is here too! I thought they will never appear at first. But, haven't played it yet

 

[Frotty]

How about adding actual information about the map instead of non-informative pictures?
All I know is that it's RPG and I have to kill a Boss (more generic pls).
Do I control one hero, or several, with additional units? (as seen on the screens)?
What makes the map special? This presentation doesn't make me wanna play this map.

 

[Forsaken]

You're fast. I'm watching you Forsaken My eyes on you! Expect my review later

My draenei hero, looks f***ing good xD

Yay! Dollunar! I'll play it immediately! My favorite race is here too! I thought they will never appear at first. But, haven't played it yet

Thanks!

That was a sudden turn of evens there. Good to see the map as a start and knowing me, I am an RPG fanatic and I would really like to see this through but sadly, I am quite busy.

Expect a review either later or if not, soon. I do not want to leave this map hanging out that long in the Pending Sections.

Thanks hell_master, i can't wait to see your feedback xD

Well the vision is not realy clear due to the massive use of effects. Maybe you can reduce the scaling and or the amount.
In my eyes good vision and nice looking eye candy don't contradict each other. If fx are well used they can improve to understand spells and their area of effect. But if they are overused the spells gets unclear, you loose vision and it just looks bad.

Yea, i will work on this soon, thanks for the type xD

How about adding actual information about the map instead of non-informative pictures?
All I know is that it's RPG and I have to kill a Boss (more generic pls).
Do I control one hero, or several, with additional units? (as seen on the screens)?
What makes the map special? This presentation doesn't make me wanna play this map.

The screenshots are to show the gameplay itself, not information, cause it is in the gameplay description,and, if u would have read the thread, you woudn't ask me if it's a hero or several ones: "The gameplay is really simple, you pick up a hero. and for you that talk about what you just know is defeat the great demon-lord, read this "The players will face bosses as Kael, Brutallus, Mu'ruu, Entropius and many others!"
And what makes the gameplay special, it's a raid of world of warcraft, Sunwell Plateau. But what truly the gameplay special, is the players like.

Why you rate maps without playing them?!? You must always play first then rate! I cannot do anything if this map isn't attracting you! Next time try it and then rate!

 

[muzzel]

Why you rate maps without playing them?!? You must always play first then rate! I cannot do anything if this map isn't attracting you! Next time try it and then rate!

He didnt rate your map, he said your presentation isnt very convincing. And i have to agree with that, it pretty much says "you pick a hero and kill stuff" and you see screenshots crowded with special effects.
Honestly, there are so many maps on this website that you need to give the players a reason to even read your maps description. For a lot of people (including me) its the very first impression of the maps presentation that makes them either read it (and maybe play the map) or close the tab and read the next one.

You should add something like this (ofc only if its true):

Genre: Team RPG / Dungeoncrawler
Features: Very fast and challenging bossfights which require teamwork and strategy. Each player may chose from 8 different heroes with unique strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Heinvers]

muzzel, Frotty rated Forsaken's map with a 1/5. look closer!

 

[Forsaken]

He didnt rate your map, he said your presentation isnt very convincing.

Look his comment:

Frotty's comment

But,anyway, i will follow your suggestion about Genre and such.

 

[Frotty]

rating was an accident, corrected to 3/5 since I can't remove it.

 

[Heinvers]

Well, mistakes always come up. Anyway I played this half-through, but I'd give it a 4/5. I'll see if I'll finish this you'll have my review Forsaken

 

[Chen]

I wonder what effect did you use in your signatures.

 

[Binsu]

Review emerges and I guess this is what Forsaken is waiting for and so I give you a mini wall of text.

So, I have played your map and as I promised, I will give a review of the map and decide it's fate probably. The map's an RPG type of map where team play or co-op play is needed to succeed but it's still possible in single player mode but will make the game much harder and longer.

I must say it's a good RPG that stays original to the original Warcraft and maintaining the feeling of it but judging on it's aspect RPG, sadly, this is just your everyday RPG but with a little twist of AoS like type of game. Everything looks so same from an RPG, no unique features, items which I expected to be custom are not and the item drops from creep enemies starts to get repetitive at times (most likely full of consumables item drops), stackable items wastes another space on the inventory (in an RPG map, it is much suggested if you'll simply make the item stacks as it is instead of wasting another inventory space which gives more better results), and etc.

Now what I find to be good in the RPG is that simply you've made a successful Warcraft RPG which is good to be honest. There are lots of enemies in the map which makes it quite enjoyable but just a tip, it would be highly suggested to remove the team color from the other units and creeps (team glows should only be for heroes) and some heroes to be honest also misses a team glow, a map where it'll make you explore the map for a reason that you need to unlock most doors and gates in the map and of course hunting for bosses mainly for items or level up, the terrain looks pretty good even for it's Warcraft-ish quality, I am admitting that. I liked how the terrain look. You placed most doodads wisely and not just in hopes of spamming it and etc.

Now, as for my suggestions for the map, it would be suggested for you to add more useful items mostly useful on RPGs. There are only some medium sets of custom items in the map and most are standard Warcraft items which to add also, gets repetitive dropping on creeps, the team glows on the units could be removed also for it is only meant for heroes (team glows on units might confuse the players on distinguishing heroes from units), some heroes on the other hands misses a team glow which I pretty much think should have one. A quick tip in lined with the team glow, if you are using a model with a hero glow both on a hero unit and creep unit, it would be pretty much suggested to use it only once either just a unit or hero depending if it has team glow which should be for hero and if without for unit, the map as well could have more custom interface and some greater description instead of the standard way of giving descriptions and tooltips to things and stuffs. It would be much appreciated if you are to formulate a description/tooltip template! and etc.

Overall, I enjoyed the map but judging as what I've said basing on it's level as an RPG map, it's just your everyday RPG and nothing unique sadly.

Rated 3/5 and Approved still.

 

[Yousef]

Wow, I tried the map and it's amazing it really needs team work because I played it with my cousin and it was very hard with 2 only, we couldn't defeat Kael he is so strong!
We finished half of the map I think, and it's really amazing.

 

[Heinvers]

Yes I agree yousef it's quite enjoyable As I said he should have made a map from scratch but it's his choice. Anyway it was a good gameplay.

 

[Krolan]

After reading description and review, I guess in simple words this game is not new but good. I prefer good. Gotta play it now.

 

[Forsaken]

Wow, I tried the map and it's amazing it really needs team work because I played it with my cousin and it was very hard with 2 only, we couldn't defeat Kael he is so strong!
We finished half of the map I think, and it's really amazing.

Wow, thank you!
Yea, he is a kind hard to kill, i will decrease his attack

Yes I agree yousef it's quite enjoyable As I said he should have made a map from scratch but it's his choice. Anyway it was a good gameplay.

Thanks!

After reading description and review, I guess in simple words this game is not new but good. I prefer good. Gotta play it now.

Yea, the gameplay don't have nothing new/innovator, but the gameplay is nice

 

[Krolan]

Finished it. Gotta say it is quite hard to solo but enjoyable and doable.

Gameplay - [+++] (as a co-op map which it is. Still [++] as a solo map)
Story - [0]
Characters (+NPC) - [0]
Graphics - [+]
Discovery - [0]
Quests - [0]
Layout - [+++]
Items - [+]
Bugs - [+++]

To better understand the rating please look at the Rating Table

Full Review

Edit: The following suggestion is mainly reasonable for solo

Insert a "send reinforcements" button instead of triggering one reinforcements team when killing some dude. They usually just run to their death as I'm at the Manawell and they don't come again. Alternatively you could let them be sent periodically every few minutes.

 

[Randomall]

What is Avatara

 

[Forsaken]

Finished it. Gotta say it is quite hard to solo but enjoyable and doable.

Gameplay - [+++] (as a co-op map which it is. Still [++] as a solo map)
Story - [0]
Characters (+NPC) - [0]
Graphics - [+]
Discovery - [0]
Quests - [0]
Layout - [+++]
Items - [+]
Bugs - [+++]

To better understand the rating please look at the Rating Table

Full Review

Edit: The following suggestion is mainly reasonable for solo

Insert a "send reinforcements" button instead of triggering one reinforcements team when killing some dude. They usually just run to their death as I'm at the Manawell and they don't come again. Alternatively you could let them be sent periodically every few minutes.

Thanks, i really liked your review!

What is Avatara

It should be avatar.

Also, map updated:

-New outdoor terrain
-New custom items
-Some spells fixed
-Units don't have more hero glow
-New hero add, Illidari Demon Hunter, and more demons add as well.

 

[Sunreaver]

Review:
U Know Forsaken i really like this map
I vote 5/5
But Kael'thas is too strong and Bruttalus is hard to get too i need the undead too destroy the generators too get in there.
Anyway this is a good map

 

[Cherrymage]

This map features one of my my favorite races, the Blood Elves. Gameplay is impressive. 5/5

 

[Chen]

Aelir huh? I tried it, it's fun!

 

[Doncha666]

can u make version for 1 player..?

 

[deepstrasz]

3/5.
Two players are enough but they don't have that much fun after they reach level 20 (max) near half way.

-the archers near the towers in the south entrance can block the way leaving the hero vulnerable to enemy attacks from behind
-Wretched attack and bones and blood get out of them
-Forked Fire's description and/or title doesn't specify the hotkey
-Storm has the same hotkey as Forked Fire and is not even mentioned in its description
-some units can be killed with spells while they are behind doors
-Storm deals damage to the caster and allies... it also seems to be too powerful
-how do you get gold for tomes and stuff?
-Madrigosa gets out in the open when the undead, the allied forces and the demons clash right south of the base
-the Infernal Juggernauts where Brutillus is became allied and started attacking the enemy there; they are invulnerable and have the Dragonhawk's Cloud effect on them
-spells need better description: how much damage they deal etc.
-Mephistroth can be dragged near the invulnerable door and killed by ranged heroes
-reduce the cooldown of the Staff of Teleportation in the ship shop
-Vexallus can be killed behind the door by ranged heroes or with ranged spells
-Brutallius reappeared after a while near the portal that's near the base; I think this guy crashes the game when he reaches the player's allied base

 

[Aleister]

A great work!

 

[KeepitMovinBaby]

Actually enjoying it