Congratulations Barack Obama! 44th President of the United States of America!

[NinjasDontFight]

I'm happy for Obama, he went where no other black man had gone before

He's awesome!

He got noticed because of his name sounded like Osama, and I don't really like his speeches. He says Uhh... Uhh... And... And... Uhh... to much. They have writers writing those speeches for them >_>

 

[Aeroblyctos]

He had pretty good speech when he won, but he ruined by saying: "God Bless America" in the end. I think that's just disgusting(it's like in a movie or something). No offense of course to everyone but I just don't like that kind of ending.

 

[donut3.5]

He got noticed because of his name sounded like Osama,

...
The ignorance of some people never ceases to amaze me.
--donut3.5--

 

[Angry_Bovine]

He had pretty good speech when he won, but he ruined by saying: "God Bless America" in the end. I think that's just disgusting(it's like in a movie or something). No offense of course to everyone but I just don't like that kind of ending.

Now that I think about it, that part was sort of awkward. With one of the founding ideas in this country being "Freedom of Religion," that shouldn't be a precedent to have to say that. Especially coming from him. Perhaps he wanted to pretend to conform?

 

[donut3.5]

Now that I think about it, that part was sort of awkward. With one of the founding ideas in this country being "Freedom of Religion," that shouldn't be a precedent to have to say that. Especially coming from him. Perhaps he wanted to pretend to conform?

It's actually fairly standard procedure by this point. If he didn't say it, media would be all over him for being an atheist communist socialist terrorist arab nazi.
Plus, we have God written in places. Just because someone says "God bless America" doesn't mean that you automatically have to start believing in God.
And by the way, it is freedom of religion. He was freely believing and expressing his religion.
--donut3.5--

 

[Callahan]

It's common in america there's lot of expression involving god like 'omfg'.
And If it's true 'freedom of religion' then it applied to president as well like donut said.
But i agree it sucks saying that but not from an american point of view.

 

[En_Fuego]

He's Christian; he's the president
God; (bless); America

See a connection here? Oh, and I guess we should all set fire to the states because our "Pledge of Allegiance" has the line "...One nation under God, indivisible...". Where's seperation of church and state/freedom of religion there? What about the moment of silence that's mandatory for schools to give us in my state? Huh? Huh?

Just leave it be. You can't fight religion. It can't fight back.

 

[Ash]

I think this has gone slightly off topic

We're congratulating Obama, not laughing at people because they're muslim, burning the pledge of allegiance or any stupid stuff like that; internet serious busns

 

[NinjasDontFight]

...
The ignorance of some people never ceases to amaze me.
--donut3.5--

Well I may not be as great as you, or knowing. But he hardly spent any time in the Congress... Nobody ---> Celebrity, overnight.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

A senator isn't exactly a nobody. It's much more than you'll be, and he's certainly much more than you'll be in your lifetime (politically and famously, for all intents and purposes). And he deserves some congratulations for that.

 

[The Last Istari]

Well I may not be as great as you, or knowing. But he hardly spent any time in the Congress... Nobody ---> Celebrity, overnight.

Sarah Palin barely spent any time as Governer. Honestly, Obama knows what he's doing, Palin would've just been a nightmare, Vice President or President.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yes, Palin had a years experience as governor. Governor of the most ass-backward state out of all of them. I wouldn't really call that experience.

 

[Vicboy]

I don't really like the idea of them pulling out the troops so quickly when they haven't even found Al-Qaeda leaders and or Obama bin Ladin...

But I kinda like Obama better cause McCain looks like another Bush. He's old and white haired...

But Obama looks good enough.

 

[brad.dude03]

In case you haven't noticed, Bin Ladin hasn't been around in years. Kind of fishy isn't it? And in case you haven't noticed, Al Qaeda aren't even in Afghanistan any more. Pakistan is where you wanna be, and even then, it's not worth it.

With a major economic crisis and 10 trillion dollars in debt on your hands, you might wanna retreat and like your wounds before launching the next attack.

America has more pressing issues at home than fighting other people's wars.

 

[Arvedui]

Just a note, Obama was a Senator for less than a year (or two, it's all running together to me) before he started running for President.

Palin was Governor of Alaska for several years. Or whatever, I didn't really notice or care about Palin because VP's are irrelevant.

Yes, Palin had a years experience as governor. Governor of the most ass-backward state out of all of them. I wouldn't really call that experience.

That's kinda funny, because I heard the same thing about Texas when Bush was running for President.

Also, I didn't think this thread was about policy, or Palin, or Alaska, or anything except Congratulating President-elect Obama.

 

[punwisp]

Just a note, Obama was a Senator for less than a year (or two, it's all running together to me) before he started running for President.

Palin was Governor of Alaska for several years. Or whatever, I didn't really notice or care about Palin because VP's are irrelevant.



That's kinda funny, because I heard the same thing about Texas when Bush was running for President.

Also, I didn't think this thread was about policy, or Palin, or Alaska, or anything except Congratulating President-elect Obama.

Just because he hasn't had much governer experience, doesn't mean he doesn't know what hes doing. Palin, however, i see as a natural blonde

 

[Arvedui]

Did I say that his inexperience at governing anything was going to affect him?

I was merely stating fact, or as close to it as I can remember at the moment.

I personally am going to hold my Congratulations for Barakabama until he actually changes something for good.

I didn't vote for him, because I'm not a socialist, but if he does make the country better and prove me wrong, then good job for him, I'd rather that I be wrong and something good happens, but given past experience, I doubt any real or substantial change for the good will happen.

 

[Eleandor]

Yes, Palin had a years experience as governor.

But she said she has much experience on foreign affairs!

Hmm...
She also said she didn't know Africa is a continent.








(Does anyone still have any doubts? I mean, wtf?)

 

[Pyritie]

I lol when people say Obama is a socialist.

 

[dickxunder]

Only one force can can unite the people of the world as one fighting unit: Global Warming!! PAAANIIIIC!! bah not really, I'm an environment-friendly kinda guy but I think US is handling the bad GW well.

Grats to Obama, like em or not you're stuck w/ him now harharhar!!

Just som thoughts on teh WAR.... AHEM... dont take me teh rong way pls ^_^ here's my thoghts on just this issue coz Obama might think of pushing it through w/c will be sad T_T.

Wen I watch CNN all I see is a bunch of rowdy AK-47 firing wild people or exploding people/cars. People trying to kill each other (Iraqis killing Iraqis) and/or yer troops. Worth it? Iraq is sadly containing people that refuses to be freed >_<.

Here's wat I've learned in years of watching US news concerning teh war and its shockingly underwhelming.

-kill saddam and they erupt in violence (violence is the whole package: bombings, kidnapping, more bombings, and did I mention more bombings? i forgot that one)
-kill Osama bin laden (hopefully, he made some people in my country idealistically idiotic as well) and they erupt in violence
-new governemnt for Iraq they erupt in violence
-no new government they erupt in violence
-make peace with them and they erupt in violence
-world ignores them they'll erupt in violence
-I spill milk they'll errupt in violence
-I take a leak they'll erupt in violence
-my name isn't dickxunder and they erupt in violence

I dont understand why Israel is still not an example of what's the outcome of all this coz well, they ARE experiencing this hardcore insurgent action urban warfare everyday!! Its not fun, and Israel knows that there's no talking with these guys. Iraq is like Gaza warzone blown up to the size of a nation and instead of israelis you have americans... that was a mouthful, I am not hating but I do mean it though. people of the word, I say... PEACE MAN! (minus the drugs XD)

 

[En_Fuego]

Palin was Mayor in Alaska for 2 terms (1996-2002) then in 2006 she ran for Governor and won (2006-Present).

Obama was on the Illinois State Legislator from 1997-2004 and was ellected to the U.S. Senate in 2004. He was sworn in in the year 2005.

Also, the Vice President holds a lot of responsibilities. At the moment, they're nothing. But if the president dies they become everything. Not to mention they get to make the tie-breaking vote in the Senate if it ever is split 50/50 (lol).

 

[Arvedui]

I lol when people say Obama is a socialist.

I lol when people deny he is.

"Redistribute the wealth."

Oops.

 

[Eleandor]

What's wrong with being social?

 

[brad.dude03]

America could use some redistribution of wealth. His major tax bashing will only occur to those who make over 250 thousand a year, in which case you deserve to be heavily taxed.

 

[PurplePoot]

Indeed they could. I love how people seem to think you can be taxed into poverty anyways.

 

[brad.dude03]

Not a chance. If you're making over 250 grand a year, it's reasonable that you can pay heavier taxes and still live your life of luxury.

 

[Arvedui]

America could use some redistribution of wealth. His major tax bashing will only occur to those who make over 250 thousand a year, in which case you deserve to be heavily taxed.

Yes how dare you make money in a Capitalist society!

Bastards.

Seriously, the richest 1-5% of the country pay around 78% (I forget the exact number) of the taxes, as they should because they make more, but jesus it's absolutely retarded to raise them more.

Most of the people who make 250 and up are small business owners. And hell even larger businessmen are going to be affected.

No they won't be taxed into poverty, but it will affect the smaller businesses, which employ a LOT of people.

 

[brad.dude03]

There are small businesses in America?

I didn't even think that was possible in a country so ensnared in the multinational corporation.

 

[donut3.5]

I lol when people deny he is.

"Redistribute the wealth."

Oops.

I lol when people exaggerate claims into nonsensical propaganda.
His plans are far from socialist. Sure they might approach a more socialist tendency, but hell, that's like saying if you live in New York and walk a mile towards San Francisco, you're suddenly a Californian.
--donut3.5--

 

[Arvedui]

Lol, once again, this thread is about Congratulating him, but whatever, it's fine, just reminding you

There are small businesses in America?

I didn't even think that was possible in a country so ensnared in the multinational corporation.

Small businesses actually make up a lot of the economy and work force.

I lol when people exaggerate claims into nonsensical propaganda.

He actually said "redistribute the wealth" so it's not nonsensical or propaganda, it's the truth.

His plans are far from socialist. Sure they might approach a more socialist tendency, but hell, that's like saying if you live in New York and walk a mile towards San Francisco, you're suddenly a Californian.
--donut3.5--

His plans are not far from socialist, they're the most socialist views any President has had since FDR.

Universal health care? Redistribution of wealth? Eat my shit.

Everything Obama stands for is larger government and more government control, not that McCain was any better.

To be honest, I voted for the Liberatian candidate.

 

[brad.dude03]

Ron Paul indeed. But it almost seems like America could use more government intervention. Bushes non-intervention Economic policies are the reason you have another 3 trillion lopped on to your already retarded amount of debt (7 trillion).

 

[donut3.5]

He actually said "redistribute the wealth" so it's not nonsensical or propaganda, it's the truth.

I never said he didn't say that, I just said people take it and over exaggerate it.

His plans are not far from socialist

Boo hoo he's going to impose a higher tax on those who can spare some money OMGGOVERNMENTISGOINGTOTAKEAWAYALLMYMONEY!!!111
It's not a complete overturn of the economic system we have. We aren't suddenly going to give all our property away and have every penny redistributed evenly.
Before you turn on the faucet of piss-poor assumptions, actually look into what's being said.
Know what socialism is.
Know what Obama's plans are.
After you get those two things down, then come talk.
--donut3.5--

 

[3rgytr54]

There are small businesses in America?

I didn't even think that was possible in a country so ensnared in the multinational corporation.

There are actually.... not amazing at all. There are so many in my area I couldn't count a quarter.

Congrats Obama..

I didn't think he had a chance in the beginning, but if I could vote I would have voted for McCain just because I feel the national security is an issue- 9/11 really struck me hard I don't think 85% of the country even cares about it most of the time.

And if the country gets struck during his presidency, I can see his support falling through the floor.


They said the Titanic couldn't sink... They said the Twin Towers were untouchable... Whats Next? Also shouldn't we have done something huge in 1993 when they were hit the first time?

Before

During

After

 

[Arvedui]

Ron Paul indeed. But it almost seems like America could use more government intervention. Bushes non-intervention Economic policies are the reason you have another 3 trillion lopped on to your already retarded amount of debt (7 trillion).

Actually Ron Paul dropped out. It was some guy whose name I can't remember.

Boo hoo he's going to impose a higher tax on those who can spare some money OMGGOVERNMENTISGOINGTOTAKEAWAYALLMYMONEY!!!111
It's not a complete overturn of the economic system we have. We aren't suddenly going to give all our property away and have every penny redistributed evenly.
Before you turn on the faucet of piss-poor assumptions, actually look into what's being said.
Know what socialism is.
Know what Obama's plans are.
After you get those two things down, then come talk.
--donut3.5--

Look who's getting angry lol

No shit it's not a complete overturn, but it's not going to help. I can guarantee you it's not going to help.

It's like you didn't read what I wrote.

 

[donut3.5]

No shit it's not a complete overturn, but it's not going to help. I can guarantee you it's not going to help.

Which is why I said it's far from socialism.

that's like saying if you live in New York and walk a mile towards San Francisco, you're suddenly a Californian.

--

It's like you didn't read what I wrote.

I'm glad it's mutual
--donut3.5--

 

[Arvedui]

I read it, it just had no bearing on anything.

Let's re-iterate the things you seem to have glazed over.

His plans are not far from socialist, they're the most socialist views any President has had since FDR.
...
Everything Obama stands for is larger government and more government control, not that McCain was any better.

Seriously, the richest 1-5% of the country pay around 78% (I forget the exact number) of the taxes, as they should because they make more, but jesus it's absolutely retarded to raise them more.

 

[brad.dude03]

Actually Ron Paul dropped out. It was some guy whose name I can't remember.



Look who's getting angry lol

No shit it's not a complete overturn, but it's not going to help. I can guarantee you it's not going to help.

It's like you didn't read what I wrote.

Oh, christ, you didn't get roped in by Nader did you?! I had higher expectations from you. Nader is a lawyer by trade. As such he's a lying greedy fuck.

 

[Arvedui]

Lol no not Nader. He's from the Green Party.

I actually voted Libertarian. Some guy who wasn't as good as Ron Paul.

 

[Archian]

Change has come to America.

 

[donut3.5]

Seriously, the richest 1-5% of the country pay around 78% (I forget the exact number) of the taxes, as they should because they make more, but jesus it's absolutely retarded to raise them more.

IMO it's even more retarded to have those who can't pay taxes get few breaks, and the rich 1-5% crying about their pennies being lost to "socialism".
But then again that's just my opinion, and probably where we differ.
Oh, and plus, many of the corporations use legal loopholes to dodge a ton of those taxes.
--donut3.5--

 

[Ash]

I'm sorry, yeah, but the biggest fucking irony is that 40% of the American population are screaming 'its the end of the world' because a black guy got elected.

Seriously, you've just had a president who looks like a monkey and nearly pushed the button that destroyed half the world, and you're complaining because you've got a new guy.

Bitch please.

 

[Arvedui]

IMO it's even more retarded to have those who can't pay taxes get few breaks, and the rich 1-5% crying about their pennies being lost to "socialism".
But then again that's just my opinion, and probably where we differ.
Oh, and plus, many of the corporations use legal loopholes to dodge a ton of those taxes.
--donut3.5--

Uh.. if I know percentages at all, I think that the rest of the 95% is only paying 22% of the countries taxes.. but whatever lol.

I'm definitely not in the top 5% or even the top 50% lol it's the principle and the economics of it that will hurt.

Say that Obama raises the taxes for the top 15%, there are quite a few options.
1.) The business owners (obviously not the corporate, or maybe in time they will) will raise prices for their goods/services so that they can make a profit.
2.) Business owners will lay off workers to cut costs.
3.) Businesses close.

Obviously, many things could sprout out of those, but I don't have all night to write a long ass post that will be ignored or misunderstood anyway.

And, no where did I say that the "Middle-class" should be taxed more. They shouldn't but the "Upper-class" shouldn't be taxed more. Try actually cutting spending on ridiculous shit and cut programs and unneeded shit out of the goverment.

Like, oh say, the spending that Senators/Congressmen put onto bills while they're getting revised. I just blanked out on the name for it, I can't believe it..

Anyway, on the Budget that Bush vetoed it was vetoed on the principle that there was too much spending for things that shouldn't even be put through Congress, like the Charles Rangle center. I wonder who put that one on.

I think (I can't remember it was a year or two ago) that project was a million dollars or so, and it was one of the cheapest things on the bill, that was added, to be paid for by the government.

Point is, there are so many other things that you can do besides raising taxes. Raising taxes should be the last option you take.

 

[punwisp]

I'm sorry, yeah, but the biggest fucking irony is that 40% of the American population are screaming 'its the end of the world' because a black guy got elected.

Seriously, you've just had a president who looks like a monkey and nearly pushed the button that destroyed half the world, and you're complaining because you've got a new guy.

Bitch please.

Your horrible at percentages =)

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

You punish the rich who have power, they punish everyone else without power. You decrease spending in government, and they will cut funding to all the important things so they can keep their ridiculous paycheck. Here in Washington, the Chief of police, the Administrators, the teachers, and any other higher up person got a raise while they are laying off 800 police officers. Does that sound right to you? (My mother lost her job as a deputy so I know these things)

 

[3rgytr54]

Trust me, teachers need raises- Their salaries SUCK (My father is a teacher so I know these things). But 800 police officers if not up to the feds

 

[punwisp]

I've seen salaries of teachers with almost the same as a person thats been working for Mcdonalds for a few years, that isn't good. Teachers should be payed more, I agree there.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Our school gets paid $7,000 per student each year. Lets take 1/2 of that and give it to teachers which is what they say is about the amount. Lets say each teacher has 100 students and those students have 6 periods each. Divide $3,500 by 6 and you have about $600. Now multiply 100*600 and you get $60,000 a year. Unless my math sucks, A TON OF MONEY MUST BE LOST SOMEWHERE... Not only that, but you have to pay a fine for everything but paper that you use at school. You have to pay money to even take some classes such as Silk Screening (which has a teacher that should be fired), Tech Draw, Political Economy (which is a required course btw), and you have to pay $50 to take the SAT (which is a required test to graduate), $15,000,000 was spent on the WASL which is considered a failure by the top admin, and I can go on and on, but basically the school system is warped.

 

[PurplePoot]

This is why the American school system really needs to take a hint from the Canadian one... funding based on test scores is an insane concept.

Also, teachers make a good salary up here, but we still have a good deal of bad ones due to the fact that their union is ridiculously powerful.

 

[En_Fuego]

Our school gets paid $7,000 per student each year. Lets take 1/2 of that and give it to teachers which is what they say is about the amount. Lets say each teacher has 100 students and those students have 6 periods each. Divide $3,500 by 6 and you have about $600. Now multiply 100*600 and you get $60,000 a year. Unless my math sucks, A TON OF MONEY MUST BE LOST SOMEWHERE... Not only that, but you have to pay a fine for everything but paper that you use at school. You have to pay money to even take some classes such as Silk Screening (which has a teacher that should be fired), Tech Draw, Political Economy (which is a required course btw), and you have to pay $50 to take the SAT (which is a required test to graduate), $15,000,000 was spent on the WASL which is considered a failure by the top admin, and I can go on and on, but basically the school system is warped.

Taxes?

 

[Arvedui]

Also, teachers make a good salary up here, but we still have a good deal of bad ones due to the fact that their union is ridiculously powerful.

It differs from where you are here.

When I was in school in New Jersey, the teachers were mediocre at best, trolls at worst, and I only ever (in 12 years) had 1 teacher who actually stimulated thought.

To be fair, that school system's union was headed by an over-zealous bitch who got 90% of her teachers arrested and put in jail for performing an illegal strike.

Ever gone to 1st grade and not been allowed to go in the building because your teacher isn't letting you? That's reason enough to hate teacher's unions, if only that specific one.

But then I move down here to Virginia and people the same age as me are reading and writing at an above average level. Obviously there are sub-standard people, but you have that everywhere, even in a really good area.