Chat Color Removal

[Traxamillion]

As you may know all chat colors have been removed except to those who have donated 20.00 USD.

Well i guess my hours of moderating and putting forth effort to this place doesn't mean much, although i didnt give CASH i gave a donation of my time everyday to clean this place up, honestly the least you could do is give me chat color.

Thanks for being Indian givers.

DISCUSS

 

[enjoy]

You sound like you only became a mod to get a color? Thats not the point with being a moderator, ya know?

 

[Traxamillion]

First of all I didnt expect anything i wanted to help, then when i realized i get nothing in return, not even a thank you i settled for the color as an appreciatian, now that its gone, do the math. BTW Ive been a mod longer than you've been a member so i dont expect you to know anything of my career.

 

[enjoy]

I don't really care how long you have been a moderator, I just think this is silly? It's just a color? And I didn't see my color as a "thank you". I would also rather have people say thank you, cause I find it rewarding to know that I've helped. I don't see why it's such a big of a deal with the colors.

 

[Pyritie]

I liked the colors - it's much easier to recognise people with them.

 

[Duragon]

It isn't just a color, it's the principle of the matter, really. It would be as if rewarding someone with a user of the year award for helping a lot, then just taking it away later on because they stopped helping. That would be very disrespectful. This is the same concept, which obviously has insulted Traxamillion pretty severely.

 

[Traxamillion]

Not to mention people like Py, DvO, RDZ, and many more like myself get the one "thank you" we got retracted.

 

[Kuhneghetz]

My chat color is removed?!
I don't like at all.

 

[leet.firefox]

I liked the colors - it's much easier to recognise people with them.

I second that opinion. I also liked the chat icons. And the staff titles.
Why were they removed again?

 

[Deolrin]

Hive wanted to become less noob-like and more WC3C'ish. Or something.

 

[Traxamillion]

because our hardwork, i guess, isn't worth 20 american dollars.

 

[Billy the Cat]

I did not have a color, but I agree with Pyritie.
I don't see why there is a need for removal.
If people want to get a color that badly then let them do what they can to become a mod and maybe you got a nice motivational technique there.
I'm currently using Poot's client, which is laggier for me, because it makes people a lot more recognizable.
In the forum it's easy to recognize a person by his avatar (without having to read over all the names) and in the chat colors do the same.

If you want to keep things fair for everyone I'm even thinking that a limited color selection for everyone in the chat would be nicer (and then make everyone see those colors).

 

[The Panda]

because our hardwork, i guess, isn't worth 20 american dollars.

Yeah seriously, we take our precious time too help people and do all this stuff into the hive and we get nothing. I could have been out doing stuff with my friends instead :/

 

[leet.firefox]

The most confusing icon removal I think is the Respected User icon.
The icons were removed to make everyone equal, then why call them respected users and give them an award? Clearly they must not be equal. Unless now everyone is a respected user and in my honest opinion not everyone on this site deserves respect. Obviously they must have done something to distinguish themselves from the masses of wandering e-people. Now it appears that they are no better than any other. :|

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Why is it so bad that staff, important users, and former staff be distinguished in any way from your average, often-useless considering the masses that join to post one or two questions and then subsequently depart, user? Next is the reputation going to be equally divided between all the members? Are we going to be banned and punished for speaking out against the hive's oh-so-obvious socialist changes as of late? I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

What I'm trying to say is chat is very depressing and boring now. Before I enter chat I always notice "The chat room is unlike most other internet chat formats." Well who gives a shit now when it looks so drab. I shouldn't have to use an external program to obtain what should already be present in the first place.

Wheeee, that was fun. Colours for the win.

 

[reason 3]

I agree with the people who want their colors back,they EARNED them,and taking them back is just selfish.

 

[FrIkY]

Chat looks sad now... D: we need to put in some colors.

 

[Statharas]

I liked the colors - it's much easier to recognise people with them.

I no longer take notice of Py on the chat...He is like...missing...
Aparently, he was missing indeed...

 

[Nichita_00]

I WANT COLOURS BACK! I wanted to work hard, get respected etc and get to become a mod so I get a colour (I can't get one donating) I say donating for colours is lame; And people should get their colours back!

 

[Traxamillion]

I hope the administration is happy 'cause once again they have done a great job of pissing off there members. I dont think i've ever seen the administration do anything to appease to the community. GG

 

[D a w n]

I liked the colors because it made users easier to be recognized, looked much friendlier. :/

 

[Statharas]

Actually, i think Ralle is right. Getting vBulleting 4 costs some money, and donator numbers are decreasing. The removal of all non donor colors will boost Ralle's money so that he can support the Hive. If Ralle doesn't manage to get the money he needs, the hive will close down. So i believe it's for the best.

DONATE FOR PETES SAKE!

 

[D a w n]

how does the removal of the color boost Ralle's money?? He added them on himself

 

[Traxamillion]

Colors cost money?

 

[reason 3]

Colors cost money?

No they don't.It is just that Ralle made this "rule" to get more money for the Hive i guess.
But i repeat,respected users should have their colors back,and not only them.

 

[Traxamillion]

So pretty much our hardwork, that we did instead of ralle doing it himself = Ralle also wants money from us.

 

[The Panda]

Which would just make alot of people mad.

 

[reason 3]

Which would just make alot of people mad.

With a very good reason

 

[Elenai]

For those like me who had colours and then got them taken away because we didn't support the site monetarily:

"We got royally screwed"

Thanks alot, looks like we aren't worth as much, or as good as, or as noble and zomg amazing as our gold (money) flinging compatriots.

I wonder what else will be taken so that a very small minority of people can feel super special and elite, while everyone else gets the shaft.

 

[Duragon]

I think the problem is that there isn't standard practice for what happens to a staff member that resigns. The Respected User icon has a lot of confusions. Only certain moderators upon resignation get that icon. I think the real "respect" for the hard work should be in the form of those "Respected User" icons, not in chat colors. If the chat colors were replaced with respected user icons (in the case of those ex staff members that don't already have them), then it really wouldn't be any 'disrespect' towards those ex staff members. (And so none of you guys should get angry!)

This sort of devalues the meaning of the respected user icon, though, since the Hive tends to go through a lot of moderators very fast. It may be worth it to distinguish between ex-staff respected users and assorted respected users. (Probably with a different icon entirely) Maybe give ex-staff the "Distinguished User" icon and keep the "Respected User" icon reserved for people that are truly respected, but have never worked as a staff member. That'd help keep it organized better.

 

[Pyritie]

Not to mention people like Py, DvO, RDZ, and many more like myself get the one "thank you" we got retracted.

I still have my color. I donated for it way back before I was even a minimod.

Rao wanted his removed several months ago I think. Either way he hasn't had his color for a while.

Hive wanted to become less noob-like and more WC3C'ish. Or something.

Actually WC3C has glowing staff titles so if anything we're getting less wc3c-ish ;P

Yeah seriously, we take our precious time too help people and do all this stuff into the hive and we get nothing. I could have been out doing stuff with my friends instead :/

Since when have you contributed your time to the staff?

I no longer take notice of Py on the chat...He is like...missing...
Aparently, he was missing indeed...

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I think the problem is that there isn't standard practice for what happens to a staff member that resigns. The Respected User icon has a lot of confusions. Only certain moderators upon resignation get that icon. I think the real "respect" for the hard work should be in the form of those "Respected User" icons, not in chat colors. If the chat colors were replaced with respected user icons (in the case of those ex staff members that don't already have them), then it really wouldn't be any 'disrespect' towards those ex staff members. (And so none of you guys should get angry!)

This sort of devalues the meaning of the respected user icon, though, since the Hive tends to go through a lot of moderators very fast. It may be worth it to distinguish between ex-staff respected users and assorted respected users. (Probably with a different icon entirely) Maybe give ex-staff the "Distinguished User" icon and keep the "Respected User" icon reserved for people that are truly respected, but have never worked as a staff member. That'd help keep it organized better.

Heh, currently I'm trying to push for a separate "Former moderator" icon. As usual it's reached a bit of a stalemate though

 

[Dr Super Good]

I have given a hell of a lot of time, and never had a coloured name, and do not care.

People who have contributed a lot to the site at personal sacrifice (huge ammounts of time) however should be distinguished.

Atleast an award icon like "bronze member"/"silver member" or "gold member" would be something on the forums. These should not be restricted to former mods but anyone who has contributed a hell of a lot and diserves to be distinguished.

The free icon of hakeem I however notice has not been removed, did he denote for it eventually or was the joke of a compitition more permant than anyone believed at the time?

 

[The Panda]

I didn't mean it like that, i was just saying what was on my mind.

 

[TriggerHappy]

Hive wanted to become less noob-like and more WC3C'ish. Or something.

wc3c also has staff titles.

And I never had a colored name -_-

 

[Elenai]

At any rate it is entirely agreeable (except from a small minority of dissenting opinions, and I do state minority), that removing the chat colours from those who had them was a punch below the belt, and was not a good idea, and is infact, rather useless towards any possible reason that there could have even been BEHIND removing them.

Of which I was told it was done to make coloured names more 'special'.

...Seriously what? To make 'them more special'?

So to make Cake more important, the eating of it was purposefully limited to an extremely small group, good grief this is Czarism at its finest.

 

[Pyritie]

Random aside: Elenai was the first user to get a chat color without donating or being an admin

 

[Ralle]

Seriously guys
As if the color is all that mattered to you.
As if the color can ever replace a thank you for your help moderating this site.

I do not want people to become mods to gain a chat color.
I do not want people to become mods to get some special icon or golden text.

I do agree that we probably need to pull some of the moderator anonymousness back but not all of it.

I am sorry that I made some of you unhappy with some of the color removals. But have you looked at the chat? It's like everyone has a color because lately, so many people have walked in and out of the staff.

I am trying to clean up the staff and make it more stable.
I do not want the past of the staff to be reflected in shiny colors on the chat.

Those of you who were moderators. I am sorry I did not thank you enough for your work. Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. I could not have made this site without your help.

The removal of colors is not done with finances in mind.

Ralle

 

[Elenai]

And yet still!

So you punished the former staff, instead of the current staff?

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1...2....3.....*counts to ten*

 

[Ralle]

And yet still!

So you punished the former staff, instead of the current staff?

...

1...2....3.....*counts to ten*

I believe that I punished nobody.

 

[Insincerity]

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

I'd say that applies for any community.

 

[Elenai]

I believe that I punished nobody.

I was using figurative language. You brought about negative action: IE: punished for lack of a better word, against former staff members, to fix the current staff! You 'punished' the wrong people.

To use a better metaphor, this is essentially what you've done.

"Our current corporate employees need to be whipped into shape...So lets remove retired employee pensions, that'll teach them!"

And even then, you are doing it wrong.

The problem with the current staff is in their HEART Ralle, not in their titles, or their stuff! You need to deal with the ROOT, and stop shaving the leaves. I've said this atleast a hundred times, did it fall on deaf ears?

Don't you know that the problems with the staff is NOT in their gifts, or trinkets, but in their characters?

 

[Insincerity]

I don't think that's accurate at all. You should try looking at what you're saying from an objective point of view, because it really makes no sense to me.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

I agree, the colored moderator and donater usernames and the mod icons should be brought back. Not only did the colors make certain users easily distinguishable (do you know how hard it is to stare at a completely manilla on grey background for hours at a time?) But It also distinguished rank. For once, i do not understand Ralle's rational behind this decision. For moderators it served as a reward of sorts, a small "thank you" for all the work that they do in an otherwise extremely thankless job. For regular users, it served organizational purposes, a user could enter the chat and see which users (those having mod icons or colors) are (for the most part) veteran users and who might be able to help them. Chat colors and mod icons in the chat serve the same purpose as Rep gems. Chances are, if you are a mod or have a color, you are a reasonable, sometimes helpful person who knows what theya re talking about. Yes, i realize there are exceptions, as there are with someone's reputation count. In addition, the colors and icons are almost a decoration. Why does the Hive have a night elf theme? Its to make it look nice, a purpose that the chat icons and colors serve as well. It adds fun, makes things interesting. What I am trying to say is that there are numerous reasons why the chat colors and mod icons should be brought back.

If you are to take away the chat colors and mod icons in the chat, then you might as well take away reputation and the night elf theme. Make this website a generic Vbulletin website and I can assure you, you have just lost half your members, maybe even more. Its the little things like that, that keeps people active, interested, and keep coming back. Please Ralle, your loyal fanbase beseeches you, bring them back.

ALSO: I agree to Ralle's point that people should not apply for modship and resign to get a chat color. BUT THERE IS AN EASY WAY TO FIX THAT. just remove the color of former mods. But current mods deserve some rank recognition. If a mod has a problem with being recognized, then just remove their color. Really only kimberly has wanted anonymity for herself.

 

[Insincerity]

The interface is not user-specific, so that's not a valid example at all.

The reputation system is something else that I have no support for.

Furthermore, I'm not sure why forum moderators should be distinguished from regular users in the chat if they don't have any power there.

 

[HINDYhat]

The forum interface isn't hectic either, whereas when everyone in the chat has a name colour, it becomes pretty messy pretty quick.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Though in my absence, I still got my colour. And there's nothing you can do about it.

Not really seeing why it was removed anyway.

 

[Billy the Cat]

The forum interface isn't hectic either, whereas when everyone in the chat has a name colour, it becomes pretty messy pretty quick.

I'm currently using Poot's client with colors and it's a lot easier to scroll over the text so I'm not too sure about that.

 

[Pyritie]

I have a suggestion.

Instead of removing all colored names, what about just giving former/current moderators a list of preset colors that work well with the hive's color scheme? And if they donate they can have a completely custom one.

 

[Billy the Cat]

I have a suggestion.

Instead of removing all colored names, what about just giving former/current moderators a list of preset colors that work well with the hive's color scheme? And if they donate they can have a completely custom one.

If you want to keep things fair for everyone I'm even thinking that a limited color selection for everyone in the chat would be nicer (and then make everyone see those colors).

I agree with Pyritie.

 

[Pyritie]

I agree with Pyritie.

Lol sorry, didn't see that. xD

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I have a suggestion.

Instead of removing all colored names, what about just giving former/current moderators a list of preset colors that work well with the hive's color scheme? And if they donate they can have a completely custom one.

I agree with Pyritie.

Lol sorry, didn't see that. xD

Does that also apply for the already-donaters?