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[19-29-45] Kimberly: So i guess that explains why its shape is 100% the same as the model
[19-29-46] Kimberly: uh huh
[19-30-02] Find out more about the chat and its rules here!
[19-30-04] Kimberly: God..cant everyone at least be moralful in terms of art for the sake if it? honestly.
[19-30-14] shamanyouranus: Kimberly, moralful?
[19-30-14] Elenai: who stole what this time?
[19-30-29] shamanyouranus: Elenai, she is saying i traced this http://hiveworkshop....textured-preview.gif
[19-30-45] Timeout, Retrying connection
[19-30-46] shamanyouranus: WHATS WRONG WITH THE CHAT?
[19-30-46] Elenai: shaman! I am angry with you, go to your mother's room!
[19-30-47] shamanyouranus: [19-29-57] Failed to receive messages [19-29-58] Failed to receive messages [19-29-59] Failed to receive messages
[19-31-04] shamanyouranus: Elenai, i can't, i have to get out of your mother's first
[19-31-04] Traxamillion: you guys realize that Kim says everyone who makes better art than her suspects them of stealing or CnP
[19-31-16] Elenai: ewwww, my mother is a troll.
[19-31-21] shamanyouranus: Traxamillion, better art? mine is not good at all
[19-31-25] icecream_pirate afk
[19-31-34] Traxamillion: shamanyouranus, im talking in general
[19-31-41] shamanyouranus: Traxamillion, oh
[19-31-50] Traxamillion: like she said Mr.Goblin was CnP'ing i LOL'd
[19-31-54] Elenai: that makes me rather sad, I've never been accused of cnp from kimaroo
[19-31-55] icecream_pirate: how many of u guys love fallout?
[19-31-59] Kimberly: I didnt say cnping Trax, fail.
[19-32-21] shamanyouranus: theres a difference between tracing, and looking at something and drawing it
[19-32-23] Traxamillion: Kimberly, everytime you lie you come back with "fail" thats how i know your lieing
[19-32-32] wyrmlord: Zomg, I can define a list of infinite numbers.
[19-32-41] shamanyouranus: Traxamillion, *sigh*
[19-32-44] shamanyouranus: yep
[19-32-51] icecream_pirate: TNT! im a power lode
[19-32-53] Kimberly: okay, let me get the post, becuase obviously refering to people tracing=cnp
[19-32-59] icecream_pirate: TNT watch meh explooodeh
[19-32-59] shamanyouranus: what if general frank was actually stealing models?
[19-33-09] icecream_pirate: lol
[19-33-13] icecream_pirate: then he'd be demoted
[19-33-15] icecream_pirate: to a major
[19-33-17] shamanyouranus: total hypothetical
[19-33-18] Traxamillion: Kimberly, you say it all the time so thats alot of posts you must have saved and or chat logs
[19-33-22] icecream_pirate: or dishonorably discharged
[19-33-45] shamanyouranus: like we all thought someone was the greatest modeler of all time, and come to find out they've been faking for years
[19-33-50] icecream_pirate: Elenai
[19-33-58] Traxamillion: lol
[19-34-02] Kimberly: People that trace OBVIOUSLY are shit at art
[19-34-15] icecream_pirate: Kimberly, i bet i can draw u
[19-34-19] Hero_Lief has joined the channel
[19-34-19] Kimberly: becuase they lack creativity, originality, skills and morals to make their own fuckin creations
[19-34-33] icecream_pirate: i stopped drawing pirates
[19-34-38] Hero_Lief: Back like I said
[19-34-44] icecream_pirate: i dont even like pirates that much
[19-34-47] Traxamillion: Kimberly, but you say that shit even about people who dont
[19-34-56] Kimberly: Name me a person
[19-35-00] Hero_Lief: Mobile so I won't talk much
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[19-35-04] Kimberly: And show me the proof of your accusations
[19-35-04] icecream_pirate: Moi
[19-35-08] icecream_pirate: dang
[19-35-08] Kimberly: If you think you are so truthful
[19-35-14] icecream_pirate: got me there
[19-35-28] Traxamillion: Kimberly, you said Mr. Goblin was CnPing
[19-35-32] icecream_pirate: this topic isnt controversial enough
[19-35-39] Elenai: hmmn.
[19-35-40] Traxamillion: plus i dont have logs of all the times you did it
[19-35-53] Kimberly: I NEVER said it he was cnping
[19-35-57] Kimberly: get your fuckin facts straight before you talk crap
[19-36-10] Elenai: ok, thats enough for today ^_^
[19-36-10] icecream_pirate: u guys ever been to california?
[19-36-12] shamanyouranus: Elenai, care to renew our wierd dissings of each other
[19-36-13] Traxamillion: im not talking crap im just calling you out on yours
[19-36-18] Hero_Lief: /count hero_lief
[19-36-20] Hakeem: hero_lief has said 4304 lines.
[19-36-22] shamanyouranus: icecream_pirate, i LIVE THERE!
[19-36-24] leet.firefox: icecream_pirate, I live =D
[19-36-24] Elenai: not really shaman, not in the mood, go to sleep
[19-36-24] shamanyouranus: or here
[19-36-25] Kimberly: Its funny when you bring no proof
[19-36-25] icecream_pirate: dude i want to move to New york or something
[19-36-32] leet.firefox: shamanyouranus, YAAAY
[19-36-35] Elenai: shall I draw the line?
[19-36-36] shamanyouranus: Elenai, me? its 7:35
[19-36-45] shamanyouranus: Elenai, kick 'em
[19-36-45] icecream_pirate: u guys aren't "beaners" are u?
[19-36-47] Traxamillion: Kimberly, you expect me to post 20+ logs of you saying stuff like that?
[19-36-54] Elenai: ______________________________ < line
[19-36-57] Hero_Lief: /count icecream_pirate
[19-36-57] Hakeem: icecream_pirate has said 218 lines.

BAM. (edit) Afterwards.

[19-37-47] icecream_pirate: Hero_Lief, amendment 1
[19-37-55] Elenai: ============================== < double line
[19-37-55] leet.firefox: Bartimaeus, Ill shift on your report
[19-38-01] icecream_pirate: i will not be silenced
[19-38-01] Bartimaeus: leet.firefox, SHIFT YOU, MAN!
[19-38-04] Traxamillion: Kimberly, well im not going to waste my time doing so, especailly when we both know im right.
[19-38-04] Govilku has joined the channel
[19-38-09] Kimberly: http://hiveworkshop....-113659/index12.html find me where i said he was cnping hmm?
[19-38-11] Hero_Lief: icecream_pirate, i was talking about the 400 lines
[19-38-13] Kimberly: Go on
[19-38-17] Elenai: take it to whispers
[19-38-19] Ghost765: Elenai, http://youtube.com/watch?v=AuK2A1ZqoWs listen to handlebars. now
[19-38-21] Elenai: now please...
[19-38-23] Traxamillion: Kimberly, it was in chat nub
[19-38-25] Kimberly: Becuase thats the only place i ever made anything related to Goblin
[19-38-25] shamanyouranus: EVERYBODY STARE AT THIS PICTURE UNTIL YOU CALM DOWN! http://hiveworkshop....s636-picture8445.gif
[19-38-27] Elenai: 1
[19-38-29] Kimberly: I never spoke of it in chat
[19-38-31] icecream_pirate: Hero_Lief, o, did i hit the limit?
[19-38-38] Elenai: 2....
[19-38-40] Kimberly: Elenai, be quiet, i am allowed to hold a discussion
[19-38-47] Bartimaeus: Kimberly, not when you're being a jerk.
[19-38-49] Elenai: how about listen to me?
[19-38-49] Kimberly: Now stop it before i ban you for stepping out of your own line
[19-38-53] shamanyouranus: Kimberly, http://hiveworkshop....s636-picture8445.gif
[19-38-56] Elenai: you can try
[19-38-59] shamanyouranus: Traxamillion, http://hiveworkshop....s636-picture8445.gif
[19-39-10] icecream_pirate: Hero_Lief
[19-39-10] Bartimaeus: I'm reporting this conversation,
[19-39-14] Govilku: im so calm omg
[19-39-15] Hero_Lief: icecream_pirate, no, i meant, most people have over 1000
[19-39-15] Traxamillion: "Hey Trax, I think Mr. Goblin is using CnP"
[19-39-17] Elenai: now both of you are going to obey when I say take it to whispers
[19-39-20] Hero_Lief: Lulz.
[19-39-22] Traxamillion: blah blah
[19-39-22] icecream_pirate: lol
[19-39-28] Kimberly: I never said such a thing
[19-39-31] Elenai: since..I'd rather not see this turn into a flame/troll thing
[19-39-32] icecream_pirate: Hero_Lief, so i is special
[19-39-32] Kimberly: So stop your accusations
[19-39-35] leet.firefox: I like apple pie!
[19-39-37] Elenai: on my watch...
[19-39-44] Bartimaeus: Elenai, just report them.
[19-39-48] Traxamillion: Elenai, were just having a conversation calm yourself
[19-39-49] Bartimaeus: Elenai, or ban them for a while.
[19-39-59] icecream_pirate: or ban barti
[19-40-00] Hero_Lief: icecream_pirate, sure you are
[19-40-02] Bartimaeus: Traxamillion, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. But Kimberly is acting like a jerk.
[19-40-02] If you find a bug in any part of the Hive, please report it here!
[19-40-03] icecream_pirate: cuz hes a tattle tale
[19-40-11] icecream_pirate: Hero_Lief,
[19-40-12] Traxamillion: Bartimaeus, im just talking
[19-40-13] Kimberly: How am i acting like a jerk hmm?
[19-40-15] Kimberly: More accusations?
[19-40-18] Govilku: is hotlinking allowed, it usually isnt on boards
[19-40-22] PurplePoot: drama
[19-40-24] shamanyouranus: http://hiveworkshop....s636-picture8445.gif
[19-40-29] Hero_Lief: ...being sarcastic.
[19-40-31] leet.firefox: You're all jerks
[19-40-32] Traxamillion: Kimberly, hes referring to you cursing when i accused you
[19-40-32] Govilku: im so calm
[19-40-33] Hakeem: PurplePoot, I know, right?
[19-40-42] Traxamillion: Drama = Fun
[19-40-43] PurplePoot: Indeed, Hakeem
[19-40-50] Kimberly: If people are going to acuse me for bullshit they can validate i have everyright to be angry and defend myself
[19-40-53] PurplePoot: Trax, I don't deny it!
[19-40-56] Hakeem: Say, can you /kick Poot?
[19-40-56] Kimberly: Especially when they say im horseshit at art
[19-40-57] Bartimaeus: [19-35-57] Kimberly: get your fuckin facts straight before you talk crap
[19-41-00] icecream_pirate is AFK AFK AFK
[19-41-05] Hero_Lief: shamanyouranus, enough links of the same location
[19-41-07] Bartimaeus:
[19-41-10] Ghan_04: Calm down, please.
[19-41-11] PurplePoot: Hakeem, we can kick eachother, remember?
[19-41-17] PurplePoot: /banwar
[19-41-18] Hakeem:
[19-41-24] Kimberly: cant*
[19-41-30] Traxamillion: Kimberly, LOL i nevber said your horseshit, i said you say peopel are theives when they do better than you could do
[19-41-33] PurplePoot: Nah, *can
[19-41-39] Kimberly: No, they cant
[19-41-40] leet.firefox: X-Death, wyrmlord, shamanyouranus, leet.firefox, Kimberly, icecream_pirate, Hero_Lief, Govilku, Ghost765, Bartimaeus, Hakeem, MindWorX, Shados, PurplePoot, Traxamillion, Elenai, Ghan_04, http://data.rockyou....bae6941231390122.jpg
[19-41-43] PurplePoot: Unless you aren't referring to me/hakeem
[19-41-51] PurplePoot: which is the only context I can see
[19-42-09] Traxamillion: Kimberly, w/e its fine if you get your jollys lieing, im done with this conversation
[19-42-32] Timeout, Retrying connection
[19-42-32] PurplePoot: Lolwut
[19-42-32] Traxamillion: /Disengage Dramatic Funzor
[19-42-32] Kimberly: Go get Ralle to back up your claims
[19-42-32] Kimberly: then i will listen
[19-42-40] Hero_Lief: Yes. I eated your cookie. Now, feelda wrath.
[19-42-45] PurplePoot: Trax, as much as she says a lot of people are thieves
[19-42-46] Govilku: firefox =
[19-42-48] Hero_Lief: ...look at my avi.
[19-42-48] PurplePoot: she tends to be right about them
[19-43-02] icecream_pirate: Elenai, ur a mod right?
[19-43-06] Traxamillion: PurplePoot, she is right as often as she is wrong
[19-43-15] Elenai: hmmpf, a mod who's authority is ignored.
[19-43-16] Elenai: but yes
[19-43-16] Hero_Lief: icecream_pirate, texture mod.
[19-43-19] shamanyouranus: there's treachory afoot
[19-43-27] wyrmlord: Poot only appears when I'm afk.
[19-43-27] Hero_Lief: Elenai, so true
[19-43-28] PurplePoot: El, *whose
[19-43-29] Elenai: I am the art forums moderator
[19-43-45] Timeout, Retrying connection
[19-43-46] leet.firefox: shamanyouranus, no, thats lava
[19-43-46] wyrmlord: Aha, caught you Poot!
[19-43-46] icecream_pirate: Elenai, if u donate say, 10,000 USD to the Hive, wat do u get
[19-43-46] Elenai: and archives moderator
[19-43-46] wyrmlord catches Poot.
[19-43-47] PurplePoot: O hai thar
[19-43-47] PurplePoot: DSotM?
[19-43-53] Kimberly: Goblin=Have proof of tracing Void=Has proof iv tracing Squiggy=Have proof of tracing Izyr whatever his name is=Has proof of theft
[19-43-53] Elenai: you get a hell of alot of free name changes and colours
[19-43-53] Hero_Lief: Elenai, some form of 2D art though
[19-44-01] PurplePoot: Lulz el
[19-44-03] Kimberly: So like i asked who, who am i wrong about?
[19-44-03] icecream_pirate: Elenai, thats it?
[19-44-04] PurplePoot: and forum icons
[19-44-06] PurplePoot: err
[19-44-07] PurplePoot: *chat icons
[19-44-11] icecream_pirate: thats lame
[19-44-16] Kimberly: like i asked before*
[19-44-17] Traxamillion: Kimberly, umm...Goblin
[19-44-19] icecream_pirate: u can get all that for donating like 20 bucks
[19-44-19] Hero_Lief: icecream_pirate, praise.
[19-44-23] PurplePoot: icecream, I don't think they're looking into the free capital-laden entrepreneur type
[19-44-24] Kimberly: Except, im not
[19-44-26] Hero_Lief: xD
[19-44-30] Kimberly: becuase i have proof of him tracing
[19-44-32] Elenai: Ralle will also give you his first born
[19-44-32] Kimberly: http://hiveworkshop....-113659/index12.html
[19-44-48] PurplePoot: Who, mr. goblin?
[19-44-56] Govilku: calm down peeps, this picture did it for me http://hiveworkshop....s636-picture8445.gif
[19-45-04] If you find a bug in any part of the Hive, please report it here!
[19-45-06] Shados: lol, The Nihilist is so lol
[19-45-10] Shados: 1. Nothing exists.
[19-45-12] icecream_pirate: Elenai, wat gender
[19-45-14] leet.firefox: http://data.rockyou....d192941232663701.jpg
[19-45-20] Shados: 2. If anything did, you could not know about it.
[19-45-24] shamanyouranus: yes, calm down
[19-45-25] Elenai: daughter I predict
[19-45-25] shamanyouranus: http://hiveworkshop....s636-picture8445.gif
[19-45-25] icecream_pirate: Elenai, actually i take taht back
[19-45-27] shamanyouranus: calm down
[19-45-29] Hero_Lief has left the channel
[19-45-29] shamanyouranus: CALM DOWN!
[19-45-31] icecream_pirate: Elenai,
[19-45-38] Shados: 3. If something existed and you knew about it, you couldn't communicate that awareness to others.
[19-45-39] shamanyouranus: DON'T GET A BIG DICK!
[19-45-41] Traxamillion: Kimberly, wow...your calling him a theif cause he traced half a circle?
[19-45-46] Bartimaeus: BAM. Reported!
[19-45-50] Traxamillion: shamanyouranus, terrets guy lol
[19-45-51] Shados: Crazy Gorgias
[19-45-57] leet.firefox: Bartimaeus, http://data.rockyou....031d9e1233106478.jpg
[19-46-05] wyrmlord: Sorry, no more DSotM at the moment.
[19-46-10] Traxamillion: Kimberly, he traced like 2 lines of a helmet so what
[19-46-11] Kimberly: ...
[19-46-13] Elenai: I wonder if Ralle's wife (future) will have a daughter..
[19-46-15] Elenai: seems likely.
[19-46-16] Kimberly: I NEVER called him a THEIF
[19-46-21] Elenai: I have that foresight anyway
[19-46-26] Kimberly: Where the fucking crap are you getting this shit?
[19-46-30] Bartimaeus: OOOH
[19-46-32] Bartimaeus: Gotta add that!
[19-46-32] PurplePoot: Shad, aren't those sophists?
[19-46-33] icecream_pirate has left the channel
[19-46-36] Traxamillion: so much hostility...
[19-46-38] PurplePoot: And yeah, Gorgias is lulz
[19-46-42] Elenai: where are you guys pulling out this argument...
[19-46-43] Hero_Lief has joined the channel
[19-46-44] icecream_pirate has joined the channel
[19-46-51] Elenai: and must it be done here?
[19-46-59] PurplePoot: asses, and yes
[19-47-00] Traxamillion: Elenai, i already said i was done but she keeps beating into the ground
[19-47-00] icecream_pirate is afk
[19-47-03] Kimberly: 1. Dont accuse me of bullshit. Simple
[19-47-07] Ghan_04: I think we need some time to cool down here.
[19-47-14] Hero_Lief has left the channel
[19-47-18] Ghost765: EVERYONE JUST LISTEN TO http://youtube.com/watch?v=AuK2A1ZqoWs
[19-47-18] Elenai: indeed.
[19-47-25] Ghost765: AND THINK ABOUT WAT U CAN DO
[19-47-25] leet.firefox: http://data.rockyou....d48be21229730566.jpg
[19-47-25] icecream_pirate: DUDE
[19-47-26] Elenai: ghost...shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[19-47-28] icecream_pirate: i just realized
[19-47-36] icecream_pirate: i can make a beat with my Avast! anti virus menu
[19-47-40] Elenai: its almost 11
[19-47-40] icecream_pirate: cuz it makes a clicky noise
[19-47-42] Traxamillion: lol
[19-48-52] Traxamillion: now your accusing me of calling you a jer, that was bart.
[19-48-55] Ghan_04: And I suggest you all stop.
[19-48-57] leet.firefox: I suggest......http://data.rockyou....4803981233246413.jpg
[19-49-07] Kimberly: Im talking to BART on that point.
[19-49-09] Hero_Lief has joined the channel
[19-49-20] Hero_Lief: Elenai, random?
[19-49-27] Elenai: hmmn?
[19-49-38] Ghost765: Elenai, listen to the damn rap
[19-49-41] Ghost765: its a good one.
[19-49-46] Hero_Lief: Elenai, the daughter thing
[19-49-46] Elenai: I'm listening to my music right now
[19-49-52] Elenai: oh, not random
[19-49-57] Govilku: Avast<Kaspersky
[19-50-00] Bartimaeus: Kimberly, and if you had a brain, you could've used it, and argued in a better way without talking trash.
[19-50-02] Elenai: someone wanted Ralle's first born
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[19-50-06] Elenai: and I say it will be a girl
[19-50-06] Ghost765: Elenai, well ur music is homo offense is hopefully taken
[19-50-11] Bartimaeus: and I wouldn't have called you a jerk.
[19-50-20] Govilku: Firefox is teh sex
[19-50-22] PurplePoot: Shad, the group that says that sort of thing
[19-50-24] PurplePoot: In general
[19-50-24] leet.firefox: http://data.rockyou....0e70b41231150403.jpg
[19-50-35] icecream_pirate: dude i forgot my pass
[19-50-43] Traxamillion: Ralle already has a kid, and he named it Traxamillion after me.
[19-50-43] icecream_pirate: so i can only go on hive through chrome
[19-50-43] The following command does not appear to reside in the Annals of Chat Commands (away)
[19-50-51] Please welcome our newest member: jys324
[19-50-53] The following command does not appear to reside in the Annals of Chat Commands (afk)
[19-50-56] Ghan_04: Bartimaeus, you are one wrong move away from a ban.
[19-50-56] Shados: Er, no
[19-50-58] Elenai: ask Ralle to pm it to you
[19-51-02] Bartimaeus: Ghan_04, er, why?
[19-51-06] Shados: Only Gorgias said that. It's why he was known as the Nihilist
[19-51-06] The following command does not appear to reside in the Annals of Chat Commands (chat)
[19-51-09] Ghan_04: Because you are flaming.
[19-51-09] Govilku: Chrome is sux
[19-51-18] Bartimaeus: Ghan_04, explain.
[19-51-32] Bartimaeus: Ghan_04, I'm criticizing on her writing methods.
[19-51-35] Shados: The other Sophists pretty much did not do any actual argument at all, just rhetoric
[19-51-37] Ghan_04: I consider this flaming: Bartimaeus: Kimberly, and if you had a brain, you could've used it, and argued in a better way without talking trash.
[19-51-39] Kimberly: Its funny you say that Bart
[19-51-44] Kimberly: When i have every right to ban you

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Refusal to listen to mod, talking smack, and a bunch of other crap.

(edit) If I get banned, then she gets banned, > I say one bad word, and then Ghan and her threaten to ban me. I guess that's how power is abused here, eh? Now you guys know why your users question your staff so much.

 

[MrBimbo]

(Replying to Bart's very very long chat convo xD damn man that took forever to read!)

Seems like we're all back in middle school when we were just discovering how to talk to others =P. Dude, this is totally normal. I don't know about you guys, but I'm still in high school and it's typical for people to argue. You don't need to ban anyone.... there's no reason at all, and everyone has a right to defend themselves. Now abusing your powers and threatening people is going overboard. Just because you are in a higher position in THW doesn't mean everything you do makes sense. I'm a 16 year old and I can tell right there that Bart has done nothing wrong... Ghan and Kimberly (im guessing are moderators) should relax and stop the ban wars D=.

And also about that little note on Ghan saying you are flaming: that's such a wimpy comment "Kimberly, and if you had a brain, you could've used it, and argued in a better way without talking trash." I hear of worse comments every single day. that comment he made was was like a pinch compared to what real flaming is. And don't even try backing up that up. He said ONE line that was would actually be funny if you guys weren't so serious about this argument. dude, if you think that's flaming then that kind of makes me wonder if you've ever been flamed yourself, or you are just a perfect child who never gets into trouble.

oh yeah, another thing that really bugs me is all of the egotistical people in the online world. STOP TALKING WITH PERIODS!!! it makes you sound like a real jerk.
"I think we need some time to cool down here." (as stated by Ghan's only second statement) Okay Ghan, if you REALLY want to make them stop, why don't you try harder and get involved? dont be the "cool" dude observing their conversation then making some draaaaamatic entrance that can actually cause some trouble (bans)

I SUPPORT BART! and next time if you ever post something like that, give the readers a heads up on what they're reading first xD.

 

[Bartimaeus]

Thank you, you big Bimbo.

Only reason I use capital letters and periods is because I'm a perfectionist.

Anyways, me and Kimberly got this mostly sorted out...seems like she was really indignant about being accused of lying...and Hakeem said I shouldn't comment in something I'm not a part of, because someone who's mad, and has the ability to ban can sometimes go a little overboard...

 

[Kimbo]

Wow, talk about trolling. Honestly, you call out on me "abusing" such things, yet you are no better yourself. So called "reports" like these in attempts to attack me are "better" suited in a forum called admin contact.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

Thank you, you big Bimbo.

Only reason I use capital letters and periods is because I'm a perfectionist.

Anyways, me and Kimberly got this mostly sorted out...seems like she was really indignant about being accused of lying...and Hakeem said I shouldn't comment in something I'm not a part of, because someone who's mad, and has the ability to ban can sometimes go a little overboard...

Seriously, you should just stop. You're not helping anyone or anything by doing this, infact I believe you're just making things worse. Just stop it with that.

 

[Bartimaeus]

Wow, talk about trolling. Honestly, you call out on me "abusing" such things, yet you are no better yourself. So called "reports" like these in attempts to attack me are "better" suited in a forum called admin contact.

I never said you abused anything. I said you went a little overboard with one comment, while you were cursing at Traxamillion like crazy.

(edit) I hope you guys do realize that, "big Bimbo", was a joke...

(edit) You and Ghan threatened to ban me over one word. I would call that a different sort of abuse of power, I suppose. You never really abused it, persay, but you abused the fact that you HAD it.

 

[Hakeem]

Didn't PurplePoot say something about being more open like this?

I have one major complaint here. You didn't use

Hidden

tags. Please edit them in. :S

MrBimbo is right on the money here. One barely-even-a-flame does not make a ban, and saying "I'm going to ban you the soonest excuse I get" is not the way I would like moderators to behave.

 

[MrBimbo]

haha. see THAT'S what you two should be doing =). not threatening to ban each other =\. you should just settle things out like people should do. (but i don't kimberly feels any better xD) oh and i wasn't talking about periods when you spoke . it just bugged me when Ghan came out of nowhere and started talking xD. for me, i only use periods if i need them to separate sentences, but if they're one liners, i only add sentences to sound more abrupt.

and to Kimberly: another thing that really bugs me is when people tell us to have our conversations elsewhere. WTF? why can't we talk about anything we want wherever we want? why does every topic need to be in accurate forums? what he did was fine. he commented in a thread titled "New Standardized Rule/Punishment System" and his situation fits well. He was just adding on that if he get's ban, then she should be banned too. o.o. he was talking about ban rules and so that's what makes his comment relative to the thread.

his comment could have belonged "in a forum called admin contact" (yes you sound very cocky xD just making sure you know how you sound before you type it) BUT his comment could belong here also. do you want him to post his comment in every single relative forum?

to bart: Hi =D

 

[MrBimbo]

(replying from squiggy's comment)
yeah, they can be a bit too harsh but so is every law/rule/code in this world. but the difference between the real world's laws and THW's laws are that they hardcore obey them. theres no communication, no warnings, no notifications, absolutely nothing! i'd rather get pulled down by a cop for speeding just because i would actually know what i have done wrong.

and maybe there should be warnings to soften the rules up a bit... but DEFINITELY the rules need to be changed so that all rejections/rule breakers/offenses get reasons as to why they were done. And i think one of THW's logos is that you guys help moderators of any range of skills, but how is that possible when there is no feedback? D=.

 

[MrBimbo]

(replying from the list of comments i somehow missed =\)
(infinite's comment)
Actually, one would think that staying out of business is the right thing to do, but it actually is not. the best solution to this situation is that the two need to make up . Also, i doubt kim will ban him because that's abusing powers and it's against THW rules. so i believe we need to leave the two alone to talk it out. at the most, they should both apologize even if the other does not believe he/she is wrong. but of course, this is only a last resort so that no further issues about the argument develop xD because things can get nasty... just try to sort it out guys!

to hakeem: okay now i am soo confused D=. first i thought u were a person, then a bot, but now you're a person again?!? xD (i think, if im correct, you have a bot who speaks but you also can speak as well?)
anyways... thanks for agreeing with me =) its cool to learn that there are reasonable moderators as well as... the others >.> and its great to know that other moderators are actually reading forums and backing a common user, such as myself =).

(by now, i probably sound annoying. im sorry! but i like to comment on issues that dont make sense =\)

about ghan: lol again, he breaks into the middle of a conversation and adds those arrogant periods xD. iono i think im the only one who thinks of ghan in this way >.<
anyways... Ghan, you can't just tell us to stop talking like that. you just cant tell other people to hold discussions else where when it already started here. it's not like we're all of a sudden discussing who's better, batman or spiderman xD. anyone share the same thoughts?

Also... i don't believe that replying to other people's replies violates any rule =\. we're not going off topic, we're just getting more in depth into the conversation. and it seems like as though ghan is getting either scared or offended about the topic, because why would he want it to switch to a new topic? (if you are just joining into this forum, the ghan situation was back on page 5) i think ghan doesn't want any part of this because he is afraid that he will be punished for threatening to ban bart.

just an observation... =\. im not always right so please correct me =D.

 

[Bartimaeus]

The reason I posted it here, is because I've heard from multiple people that the administrator's contact is extremely ineffective, and I didn't want Ghan or Kimberly to come up and say, "stfu and gtfo we were a rites lololol cuz were adminz and adminz r alwyz rite".

If that were true, Xantan wouldn't be banned at wc3edit.net right now, because of me.

(edit) Kimberly, you said you and Trax were friends, and you insult each other over arguments, correct? Yeah, guess what? You ban people for doing the same thing, even people you don't personally know. What does that tell you? Oh, I think a specific term comes to mind: HYPOCRITE. If you're going to insult each other in an argument, then you do not have the right at ALL to ban ANYBODY, because YOU DO the same thing they do. Two people are insulting each other in an argument. They are friends, but you do not know that, so you ban them. Turns out, they were friends, and doing the same thing you did. Same thing for trolling.

You call Elenai a lackey? Well, if he's a lackey, at least a lackey is better than you.

You say you could ban me, and you're letting me off easy? What have I said before that comes in mind: "You ban anyone that criticizes you with anything negative, but ignore anyone who criticizes you with nothing negative." How perfect that you just completely proved this.

 

[MrBimbo]

bart's right. the admin contact is the most unreliable source for feed back.

and nice call on the hypocrite.

i got some questions though: what is a lackey? and what is trolling? and... bart, do you have the power to ban too? o.o and are you a moderator? im just wondering because your name thing isn't user so i just wanna know xD.

 

[Bartimaeus]

bart's right. the admin contact is the most unreliable source for feed back.

and nice call on the hypocrite.

i got some questions though: what is a lackey? and what is trolling? and... bart, do you have the power to ban too? o.o and are you a moderator? im just wondering because your name thing isn't user so i just wanna know xD.

I am not a moderator, or any person with any sort of power. I am a normal user, like you,

You can change your title via your profile, by the way.

A lackey is someone, eh, someone who follows orders without really putting their mind with it...for example, normal things that they would oppose, they would not, if the job told them not to.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Yeah Bartimaeus has some points. I personally never post in admin contact. But I posted last year one one my thread and it wasn't so effective.
And about Kimberly. I don't know so much about this because I am barely in chat, I don't want to face some people, but if it is true what Bartimaeus says that she just bans people for those reasons, I have nothing else to say than: Pathetic!

 

[MrBimbo]

I have nothing else to say than: Pathetic!

Haha, YES! I agree!

and thanks bart for telling me =D. do you know how to change your icon too? i must be blind or something because i quadroopled checked my profile and i cant find the "change icon" button >.<

lol bart's a user just like me aww yay go users! and yay go moderators!

EDIT: (hi bart) so... do you think ghan has a right to threaten you?

 

[Bartimaeus]

Haha, YES! I agree!

and thanks bart for telling me =D. do you know how to change your icon too? i must be blind or something because i quadroopled checked my profile and i cant find the "change icon" button >.<

lol bart's a user just like me aww yay go users! and yay go moderators!

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/profile.php?do=editavatar

Should lead you to your avatar page. If it doesn't, click on User CP, and Change Avatar. It's called an avatar, not an icon,

(edit) Crap. Should've sent this in PM. Someone edit their posts so I can edit mine to make it on-topic.

 

[~Void~]

It doesn't matter really, threads like these tend to go off topic easily, anyways.

 

[Bartimaeus]

"EDIT: (hi bart) so... do you think ghan has a right to threaten you?"

No, at least, not for that particular reason. He tells me that I'm one step away from being banned, while Kimberly is cussing and talking trash in the background.

Kind of funny, isn't it?

 

[Ghan_04]

> Ghan, you can't just tell us to stop talking like that. you just cant tell other people to hold discussions else where when it already started here. it's not like we're all of a sudden discussing who's better, batman or spiderman xD.

My job is to keep order throughout the forums. Your conversation was moving into the realm of insults and harsh words, which break the rules of the forum. I have every right to tell you to stop discussing those things in a public area.
If you want to continue your arguments, take them to PMs. Don't go after each other in the chat. This goes for everyone.

> i don't believe that replying to other people's replies violates any rule

It does when it perpetuates rule breaking.

> we're not going off topic, we're just getting more in depth into the conversation

I didn't hear any of you mention the new rule system or comment about it. Take for example the post where I got this quote. There isn't anything in there about the punishment table, only conversation about the issue from the chat. I'm not saying that this conversation is necessarily bad if it is conduced in a civil way, but it does not belong in that thread.

> seems like as though ghan is getting either scared or offended about the topic, because why would he want it to switch to a new topic?

1. I am neither.
2. I thought the reason why I would want to switch to a new topic was obvious. The thread where you were posting was not the right place.

> ghan doesn't want any part of this because he is afraid that he will be punished for threatening to ban bart.

Allow me to assure you that has no bearing on the matter at all.

> administrator's contact is extremely ineffective

Ever tried it? There currently is not a thread in there that has not been replied to.

> I didn't want Ghan or Kimberly to come up and say, "stfu and gtfo we were a rites lololol cuz were adminz and adminz r alwyz rite".

Let me make this very clear. I will NEVER say anything in such a demeaning manner. If there is reason to take action, I will not be offensive, but I will take such action as banning or infracting if it is warranted. And if anyone wishes to contact me about any punishment, my PM box is open.
And as a side note, infractions come with a description of the reason that the person broke a rule, presented in a PM to the user, written by the person giving the infraction.

 

[Bartimaeus]

Why did you pick me out, specifically, exactly? Surely...you saw another, ah, specific someone saying a few words that were similar to what I was saying, yet, you never warned them. That's what I really don't get. You warned me, but not this other specific someone. You completely ignored them in every way possible, and when I said one little thing...you acted like I had started a full-blown flame war.

 

[Vegavak]

Does anyone else find it funny that Elenai keeps trying to "draw the line"?

FYI Bartimaeus, Kimberly is a power abuser. I don't think it's intentional, but he can get quite rash and hotheaded. There is very preferential treatment and if you have no butt-kissing history with them, you will not be endowed with the lighter side of it.

Odds are you'll just get trolled and flame for pointing things like that out.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I think it is very silly that this has been brought up as it has. Creating threads for the sole purpose to call single (or pairs of) users out as poor staff members (or whatever you're accusing them of), is tactless and disrespectful to the intended users. (Ghan and Wulf in this case)

If you have problems with specific staff members, the site discussion forum is not the place for it. If you have problems with the staff in general, then this is the proper forum for it. You need to be more mindful of how you treat users, including staff members, otherwise you'll be offending far too many people and your reputation will precede you as a trouble maker rather than a member trying to help the site improve.

 

[Bartimaeus]

I think it is very silly that this has been brought up as it has. Creating threads for the sole purpose to call single (or pairs of) users out as poor staff members (or whatever you're accusing them of), is tactless and disrespectful to the intended users. (Ghan and Wulf in this case)

I didn't create this thread. Ghan moved it from another.

 

[Ghan_04]

> Why did you pick me out, specifically, exactly?

I picked you out first because you were the first one that I saw come up with a direct insulting attack on someone else, which would without a doubt be considered flaming. If you recall, I had earlier told both of you to calm down, however, that comment in particular stood out to me right away after the warning because of its inflammatory nature.

> You'll get trolled and flame for pointing things out here.

Not if anything to say about it, I have.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I didn't create this thread. Ghan moved it from another.

Posting it in a thread entirely unrelated to it is even worse. It's not only disrespectful, but also clearly against the rules.

 

[Vegavak]

I picked you out first

> You'll get trolled and flame for pointing things out here.

Not if anything to say about it, I have.

Moderator, please.

You've been here for how long already? What's your excuse? You don't know how confrontational Kimberly is by now? Like this is the 1³¹st time he's started an argument? You should have warned them both and looked into the matter, but instead you singled out Bartimaeus and made him feel like you guys are a bunch of power abusing retards.

And from this perspective, it sure as hell looks that way.

 

[Bartimaeus]

> Why did you pick me out, specifically, exactly?

I picked you out first because you were the first one that I saw come up with a direct insulting attack on someone else, which would without a doubt be considered flaming. If you recall, I had earlier told both of you to calm down, however, that comment in particular stood out to me right away after the warning because of its inflammatory nature.

Alright, alright...so, you saw me criticize how she was suppose to be a Staff member, how she was suppose to set an example, how she was suppose to be mature and level-headed, etc, etc, etc.

So, would you call this exactly staff-material:

[19-46-26] Kimberly: Where the fucking crap are you getting this shit?
[19-34-02] Kimberly: People that trace OBVIOUSLY are shit at art
[19-35-57] Kimberly: get your fuckin facts straight before you talk crap
[19-40-50] Kimberly: If people are going to acuse me for bullshit they can validate i have everyright to be angry and defend myself
[19-40-56] Kimberly: Especially when they say im horseshit at art (Who's making the accusations, now?)
[19-47-03] Kimberly: 1. Dont accuse me of bullshit. Simple

Not exactly the new high, is it?

[19-38-40] Kimberly: Elenai, be quiet, i am allowed to hold a discussion
[19-38-49] Kimberly: Now stop it before i ban you for stepping out of your own line

Threatens to ban a moderator because he tells her to stop arguing like this?

Alright, so, who, exactly, is in the wrong, right now? Who is disrupting the chat with pointless bickering? Who is talking trash just because she feels like it, and then bans people because they do the same thing she does?

Hmm.

(edit)

Posting it in a thread entirely unrelated to it is even worse. It's not only disrespectful, but also clearly against the rules.

I know you're looking for a way to try and snipe me, now. It wasn't. It was in the new standarized rules topic, because I felt like it should be posted there, as Kimberly was obviously not following the rules. Who said that the rules apply to moderators and administrators, again?

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I know you're looking for a way to try and snipe me, now.

That is very disrespectful and rude of you to accuse me of. I disagree with you utterly and totally in (apparently) many regards, but I am dignifying you as best I can by responding to your posts with as much respect as possible. How can you possibly expect anyone to see your side when you make false accusations of them as they try to hold a civil discussion with you?

---

I have spoken with Wulf. She is frustrated at being so accused and singled out as you have done to her, much like what you just did to me in my above quote. I think if anything, you should be a good human being and apologize to her and then hold a civil and respectable conversation with her without making insulting claims of her. That would be the proper way to resolve such a conflict; calling her out in public and being incredibly disrespectful of her over it, however, most certainly is not.

 

[Bartimaeus]

That is very disrespectful and rude of you to accuse me of. I disagree with you utterly and totally in (apparently) many regards, but I am dignifying you as best I can by responding to your posts with as much respect as possible. How can you possibly expect anyone to see your side when you make false accusations of them as they try to hold a civil discussion with you?

---

I have spoken with Wulf. She is frustrated at being so accused and singled out as you have done to her, much like what you just did to me in my above quote. I think if anything, you should be a good human being and apologize to her and then hold a civil and respectable conversation with her without making insulting claims of her. That would be the proper way to resolve such a conflict; calling her out in public and being incredibly disrespectful of her over it, however, most certainly is not.

I will apologize to you, because I could be wrong, and you simply may be trying to defend her. I apologize, because I could very much be wrong.

However, I refuse to apologize to her until she starts treating people with a little more respect, and starts to take her position seriously.

 

[Ghan_04]

> You don't know how confrontational Kimberly is by now?

I do indeed know.

If I remember correctly, I have even banned Kimberly before for acting inappropriately in the chat.

> made him feel like you guys are a bunch of power abusing retards.

I apologize if Bartimaeus feels that way, however, I have not provided you any reason to think so, as no power was involved at the time. And certainly the reasoning behind my warning of action was more than justified by the actually messages going back in forth in the chat.
I treat each member based upon his/her actions. In my opinion, Kimberly's comments quoted by Bartimaeus above were not appropriate, but nor were they specifically directed in an insulting manner toward the recipient. She never tried to demean Bartimaeus specifically, and if she did, I would have done the same with her.

 

[~Void~]

"EDIT: (hi bart) so... do you think ghan has a right to threaten you?"

No, at least, not for that particular reason. He tells me that I'm one step away from being banned, while Kimberly is cussing and talking trash in the background.

Kind of funny, isn't it?

Kimberly has been a... problematic... person as long as I've been here. I think people here have just learned to accept her fluctuating temper.

 

[Bartimaeus]

I apologize if Bartimaeus feels that way, however, I have not provided you any reason to think so, as no power was involved at the time. And certainly the reasoning behind my warning of action was more than justified by the actually messages going back in forth in the chat.
I treat each member based upon his/her actions. In my opinion, Kimberly's comments quoted by Bartimaeus above were not appropriate, but nor were they specifically directed in an insulting manner toward the recipient. She never tried to demean Bartimaeus specifically, and if she did, I would have done the same with her.

Power, was not, involved at the time. However, had I said anything like what Kimberly said, I would've been banned. This, I know. I will not apologize for this accusation, Rising_Dusk.

Your warning was...justified, and it was not. Had it been a regular chat with no argument, then I think it would've been mostly justified. But the fact was that Kimberly, against the chat rules, was completely disrupting the chat, refusing to listen to Elenai and any other powers, INCLUDING YOURSELF. The warnings before that one wasn't to me, because I wasn't even apart of the chat, at that time. All I said was BAM! Report, and I explained why to Kimberly, and how she was being a jerk. That's basically what happened. Then the argument continued. There's an entire page's worth of text where I said nothing after that. Then you started giving out warnings. Nobody listened. THEN I said it, afterwards, when things had cooled down a little bit between her and Trax. Then, you just warned me for saying one thing, ONE THING, and if I said anything else, I would be banned.

Pfeh.

(edit)

Kimberly has been a... problematic... person as long as I've been here. I think people here have just learned to accept her fluctuating temper.

If she cannot control her anger, then she should be out. Period. People with reckless, untempered anger that can randomly cause them to spazz out shouldn't be left in a position of power.

 

[Vegavak]

The only thing that comes out of reprimanding 1 of the guilty parties is resentment. You should consider that the next time you spot an argument and choose to only threaten one of them, and not all of them.

 

[Ghan_04]

> Bartimaeus

Speaking in general here, I was warning everyone who was participating in the argument to cool it down, yes. And you had been contributing earlier. As I said, I considered the severity of your comment to be higher than the ones from Kimberly, though her time was coming fast.

> You should consider that the next time you spot an argument and choose to only threaten one of them, and not all of them.

I do take into account the level of guilt that each party has.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I will apologize to you, because I could be wrong, and you simply may be trying to defend her.

If it were any staff member or any user being persecuted here I would stand for them. It has nothing to do with Wulf being Wulf. I barely even know her.

However, I refuse to apologize to her until she starts treating people with a little more respect, and starts to take her position seriously.

Anyways, I stand by what I said before -

I have spoken with Wulf. She is frustrated at being so accused and singled out as you have done to her, much like what you just did to me in my above quote. I think if anything, you should be a good human being and apologize to her and then hold a civil and respectable conversation with her without making insulting claims of her. That would be the proper way to resolve such a conflict; calling her out in public and being incredibly disrespectful of her over it, however, most certainly is not.

I recommend you take the initiative and not be so stubborn. She's not a bad person, but she is easily frustrated. We have all spoken to her privately about it in the past, as is common courtesy. Bringing it up so virulently in public as you have, though, is done strictly in poor taste.

This whole ordeal can be happily solved if you merely accept that this discussion is wrongfully made public and an apology be made. She remains a chat moderator particularly because she is on when a lot of spam and other rule-breaking is prevalent, so her help is invaluable. She's not a bad person, nor is she a bad moderator. She's human, just like any of us, and for that I think we should all be a little more mindful of her feelings. I am sure that she will return the apology in kind.

 

[Bartimaeus]

If it were any staff member or any user being persecuted here I would stand for them. It has nothing to do with Wulf being Wulf. I barely even know her.

Anyways, I stand by what I said before -

I recommend you take the initiative and not be so stubborn. She's not a bad person, but she is easily frustrated. We have all spoken to her privately about it in the past, as is common courtesy. Bringing it up so virulently in public as you have, though, is done strictly in poor taste.

This whole ordeal can be happily solved if you merely accept that this discussion is wrongfully made public and an apology be made. She remains a chat moderator particularly because she is on when a lot of spam and other rule-breaking is prevalent, so her help is invaluable. She's not a bad person, nor is she a bad moderator. She's human, just like any of us, and for that I think we should all be a little more mindful of her feelings. I am sure that she will return the apology in kind.

I never said she was a bad person. I just said she was being a jerk in that particular discussion. Then, afterwards, when the conversation was over, I started talking to her, when she was cooled down, and we had a nice discussion, and she asked why would I talk to a jerk, and I replied, "You were a jerk. Now you're not."

It's not that she's human, or got mad...it's just that she would ban people for doing the same things she does, and just a second before, too.

And Ghan singled me out, which I found kind of silly, considering he was there for the entire conversation, so I would hope that he would know what was going on...

No, the problem is that she can't control her anger, and that she's got power, and she will ban people who do the same thing she does. That's my entire problem. Maybe she just doesn't realize it, but it needs to be corrected. Either she needs to follow the rules she sets down, or she needs to not ban people, (even though she didn't ban me, for which I am somewhat reluctant to be grateful about, ), for the same things she does.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

No, the problem is that she can't control her anger, and that she's got power, and she will ban people who do the same thing she does. That's my entire problem. Maybe she just doesn't realize it, but it needs to be corrected.

But she did not ban you. That is an operative point to be made here. Had she actually banned you, her being acted against by the administration would be assured. That she threatened you has merited me talking with her about it, and I find that sufficient for the specific case.

Regardless of that, though, I feel that an apology is still in order for the mode of reporting that was used. I can fully understand her being presently furious and offended by this topic.

 

[MrBimbo]

LOL holy crap Ghan what the hell did you do? xD. look at all of these users who you now have involved in this discussion by moving the forum!

im just kinda shocked, both at what rising dusk is saying and what ghan is saying.

first of all, rising dusk just stop talking please. you got into the subject way too late and its impossible to understand the situation w/o reading the whole thread. if you reallllly want to make a difference, then please read that whole conversation and then decide who is the bad guy: bart or kim?
but... you know i could always be wrong and you maybe have already read the chat. in that case, then WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!? LOL bart is NOT the hot headed one. bart is NOT the one who starts arguments 31 times (i think that was the number) and bart is CERTAINLY not the one who should be pointed fingers at.

To ghan: man.. you know how many times i've heard of the "moderator" speech? it's always the same stuff "i didn't hear/see/read you do anything," EVERY SINGLE MODERATOR IN THIS WEBSITE has claimed that I MRBIMBO have NOT done SOMETHING! but YET I HAVE!!! omg >.<
(calming down...)
okay Ghan, ummm I did say that i liked the new rules very much actually because there's actually a list of punishments so people will know, but there was one flaw which was that people who get their maps or anything rejected or removed should receive a tiny message/note/comment stating what the reason was that got them rejected. and let me tell you, after you read this you're going to go "my mistake" or "my bad" or "sorry i never read" like every single other moderator in this website. you know what septimus told me? (sorry for pointing you out septi >.<) he told me his friend couldn't host my map! and guess what? i could host my map, my friends could, random wc3 players could, even SEPTIMUS could! but you know what? it still got rejected and took me 4 weeks just to beg my way back to my map. then you know what happened? RUI rejected my map! (again, sorry for pointing you out >.<) and the reason THIS time was because he said my map was very imbalanced and too difficult. then weeks later, he comes back saying that he was a bit biased and marked my map as reviewed.

that makes two (future three) moderators who have told me something was wrong or i was doing something wrong, but IN FACT it was their fault all along just because they were too quick to judge. you guys gotta go into detail about things before you do something... if i can take my time reading bart's whole conversation, then im sure that experts like you all could do it too.

and im sorry for pointing out septimus and rui. i know they're annoyed with me bringing the subject up every single time i comment.

ghan, what do you say about that? am i wrong? did i deserve to have my maps rejected? a full blown rejection? because what i think i deserved was a SIMPLE comment on MY map stating: "your map is too big, please reduce it" or "your map contains a bit too many zombies" and thats IT! wow! and i would fix it, no argument, no forums, no rejections, no complaints, NOTHING! now doesn't that sound like a good idea? little comments can do so much!

 

[Kimbo]

An apology would be gratefully accepted and gratefully returned if you ever do decide.

For this situation to be solved was to have a simple chat with me without any accusations, insults, pulling up the situation again or attempts to demean me by acting like you were a victim and pushing the chat to attack me.

Not once did i ban you, nor is a warning a direct and personal threat to get my way. I may have done the wrong thing and for that I am sorry, but that doesn't mean i should let people throw insults to ANYONE especially when the situation was peeking down.

A simple and straight forward talk of constructive criticism AND feedback on how to improve with me without trying to make it BOTH a community AND personal vendetta matter would of ended this terrible mess you started in attempts to single me out publicly.

 

[Bartimaeus]

Regardless of that, though, I feel that an apology is still in order for the mode of reporting that was used. I can fully understand her being presently furious and offended by this topic.

Firstly, read my editing post.

Secondly, I still do not regret in saying what I said, nor do I regret the fact that I have made this topic. Until she can prove to me that she will follow her own rules, I will not apologize. Doesn't matter if you felt like she had every right to be infuriated, she still broke the rules. If you can't follow your own blasted rules, then you don't deserve to be one of the people who enforces the rules.

(edit) "Criticism that is not negative will be ignored..."

(edit) It is only a personal vendetta as long as you make it. Admit that what you did was wrong, and I will admit an apology, but I will not admit that this topic was wrong, because it's not.

 

[Vegavak]

Had she actually banned you, her being acted against by the administration would be assured.

So the threat of banning because a moderator simply doesn't like something you said is OK? You're encouraging button pushing now.

A simple and straight forward talk with me.

I must be in the twilight zone.

 

[Gilles]

If she cannot control her anger, then she should be out. Period. People with reckless, untempered anger that can randomly cause them to spazz out shouldn't be left in a position of power.

Wulf is in a position of power?

 

[MrBimbo]

But she did not ban you. That is an operative point to be made here. Had she actually banned you, her being acted against by the administration would be assured. That she threatened you has merited me talking with her about it, and I find that sufficient for the specific case.

Regardless of that, though, I feel that an apology is still in order for the mode of reporting that was used. I can fully understand her being presently furious and offended by this topic.

Rising_Dusk, I give you one question: What happens when someone threatens to blow up a plane? and yes im comparing a real life situation to a forum discussion. go figure. i am now more curious as to how someone can actually back up kim.

to kim (if he/she is reading this)
I know what your story is, and i know what bart's is. bart shouldn't have yelled or cursed at you at all, even if it was just once. and i understand that you got mad too and you cussed him out a great deal more. it's both of your's fault and you two should accept that. i am not playing favorites anymore because i can't seem to get you two to make up. im telling you both straight that you both should not have taunted the other or provoked the other into arguing, even if the other person does threaten to ban you, bart, it was because of you provoking her that did it.

okay thats it. that is my non biased statement^^ and i really hope you two work it out because i do not have time to solve an argument when i cannot clear it up, neither can ghan, or rising, or any other moderator. you two need to PM each other or something, IM or chat and make up. and bart, don't try saying you are completely right and it wasn't your fault (but i have high doubts you would say that). and kim, do not use any curses or insults. just have a conversation and appologize and discuss w/e it is with the issue (i could not view the images for some reason so i dont know what it looks like. i have no input into that)

bart, you are a good person in trying to keep fighting for your rights because it is very hard now a days to convince THW moderators and staff

kim, i haven't heard much of you in the forums so i can't have much input in you except what others have said about you. please try to refrain from arguing much. it's okay if you can solve your own battles, but if someone brings it out like this (like bart's big chat post), then please try to reach the person either PM or IM, before it gets big and out of hand again. i know that you dont mean to cause issues, but maybe you do. regardless just... ya know.. play well with others!

I'm done with this forum =\. if you really want to contact me, PM. Otherwise, i'm going to read this forum sometime in the distant future and this will probably blow over by then. (i'm hoping for tomorrow) =P. k. see ya!

 

[~Void~]

Wulf is in a position of power?

She's a chat moderator.

 

[Vegavak]

Wulf is in a position of power?

You betcha.

I agree with some of Bimbos last post. It's both of their fault and they should have both be punished, or warned accordingly. Neither one of them should have been singled out, and both of them should have had the sense to stop yelling at each other in chat.

He's upset that he was threatened unjustly, and that after the threat, a higher moderator warned him for being the guy who just got threatened. It's not a pleasant position to be forced into and I can understand why he's so upset.

And seriously, Kimberly, you should exercise a little restraint.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Secondly, I still do not regret in saying what I said, nor do I regret the fact that I have made this topic.

Surely if I made a topic about some negative aspect of you and was very demeaning in my approach in the site discussion forum you would be offended. Hell, I know you'd either report me for it, discuss ad infinitum about how terrible a user I was, or return fire.

This thread was wrongly made. Your point, the one I am quoting just below, however, is valid. Using her as an example of your point was wrong.

If you can't follow your own blasted rules, then you don't deserve to be one of the people who enforces the rules.

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So the threat of banning because a moderator simply doesn't like something you said is OK? You're encouraging button pushing now.

Obviously not, hence why I discussed it with her at length. However, certainly you'll agree with me that a moderator actually banning someone with no justification is meriting of more reprimand than simply the threat.

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Please don't accuse me of "encouraging button pushing." You know well and good what I mean, and I think you should stop trying to be aggressive with every post you make. It doesn't help anyone solve anything and makes you very difficult to work with. Thanks.

 

[Bartimaeus]

"Bart, you are a good person in trying to keep fighting for your rights because it is very hard now a days to convince THW moderators and staff"

I'm fighting for my bloody rights. I'm trying to make this place a better place for others, because on the road it's on now, it's dead.

My rights don't matter. It's only so long until an administrator gets too sick of me that he/she will ban me. Afterall, why would they want to be associated with one of those evil, demonic, wc3edit.net staff members? It seems to me all of you are +20 save to Criticism/Suggestions, and you all have a negative -40 in your Diplomatic modifiers.

(edit) "Surely if I made a topic about some negative aspect of you and was very demeaning in my approach in the site discussion forum you would be offended. Hell, I know you'd either report me for it, discuss ad infinitum about how terrible a user I was, or return fire. "

Depends. If it was something I could not fix...then maybe. If it was something that I could correct, then no. Because I have had discussions with my moderators & administrators about what they don't like about me, what they find the worst about me, and I have told them to tell me, because if they don't, how am I suppose to correct myself?

Freedom of speech is nice.

 

[~Void~]

Why can't Hive just go back to the way it was a year ago? Even without Wolv, I think we can do it, or at least come close.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Depends. If it was something I could not fix...then maybe. If it was something that I could correct, then no. Because I have had discussions with my moderators & administrators about what they don't like about me, what they find the worst about me, and I have told them to tell me, because if they don't, how am I suppose to correct myself?

I think you missed the point. My point was that it doesn't belong in a forum where it is public to everyone. If I had specific problems with you, I would contact you privately or discuss it in the chat.

Anyways -

An apology would be gratefully accepted and gratefully returned if you ever do decide.

I think this is something that can be achieved privately and would be more meaningful if done so. I am going to report this thread as being completely absolved of issue. I know that you, Bartimaeus, want to emphasize that all moderators should follow the very rules they are sworn to uphold. Trust me when I say that the administrators and staff as a whole agree with you entirely in that regard. The administration will personally see to it that this sort of thing doesn't happen. If it does in the future, feel free to post it in admin contact - it really is moderated and read (against popular belief) and is the proper mode for reporting specific breaches to site rules of any user (staff included).

Thanks.

 

[PurplePoot]

> administrator's contact is extremely ineffective

Ever tried it? There currently is not a thread in there that has not been replied to.

But there are a lot of threads that are left unanswered, if you follow.

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Dusk, I see your point about AC, but to a certain extent I find this healthy, as long as people make some progress.