Castle Siege

[Craka_J]

Where's all that water from the waterfall coming from? o.0
~Craka_J

 

[Gilles]

Meh, underground spring? I thought it would look nice.

 

[sk8er754]

moats

I took out moats earlier when i found it wasnt going to work for making bridges anywhere you wanted. But i guess some castles can have their advantages by location,raised ground, and moats.

Still thinking on it.

 

[Craka_J]

Not all castles have moats. So I guess it wouldn't be critical.

Will there be Siege Towers and defensive catapults/trebuchets?
~Craka_J

 

[sk8er754]

Not all castles have moats. So I guess it wouldn't be critical.

Will there be Siege Towers and defensive catapults/trebuchets?
~Craka_J

Yeah, defiantly will have Siege Towers and catapults/trebuchets. I have the trebuchet working already and just added the catapults.

Catapults need stat fixes and the Siege Towers will be put in after i look over my castle layouts one more time.

Like the resizing of the brush Gilles and the underground stream does look neat.

 

[Craka_J]

I recommend you use this model for a catapult, but reskin the peon to look Human.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/models/3564/
~Craka_J

 

[sk8er754]

model

, I saw that model and thought the same thing to, cept, I HATE skinning ><. I've only found recently how to skin with ingame textures. Still dont know how to with custom made, ill figure it out sometime.
Now modelling, I can do. Im still learning to animate with blender but I can models fairly alright atm.

Thanx for the link though . I've went through almost every model now but i forgot what page their on so i go back threw them all if i decide to use one =P.

 

[Craka_J]

Post a request thread for someone to reskin the model. That's an easy way to get the job done.
~Craka_J

 

[sk8er754]

map

Hey Gilles, when you get bored of terraining just send the map over and i'll add siege towers and tweak the units more.

 

[Gilles]

Okay, I'll send it after tomorrow. One castle does have a moat, and a bridge. I raised the ground under the bridge so it was poking through, and added the road tile so it matches the rest of the road. I think it looks good!

 

[Craka_J]

Don't unbalance the castles. Here is what I think you should do to make it more balanced:

One castle is on low, flat ground and has a moat.

But the other castle is fortified on high ground with no moat.

That ought to even the odds pretty well. If not, I can come up with better ideas to reinforce them.
~Craka_J

 

[Gilles]

Well my ideal for the non-moat one would be something similar to Rohan in lotr.

Too bad I already terrained around it. I'll try and elevate it.

 

[sk8er754]

map

awesome. oh how about one with a moat and bridge and another with a minefield o.0 Lol jk. Sounds good the way its going.

 

[Craka_J]

Born2Modificate released a model a while back in Wc3Campaigns.net's models/resources area of a 'booby trap' that looks like patch of grass, but has an animation that makes wooden spikes stick out of the grass suddenly. You can use this as a trap in your map. Though you'd probably have to change the tileset to Ashenvale or Village to make it blend better and not seem so obvious.
~Craka_J

 

[sk8er754]

tip

hmmm good tip cracka, have to think on that.

 

[Gilles]

More updates. I'm running short on ideas.

 

[sk8er754]

terrain

Still looking better. I cant think of anything myself. We could replace the tree's if their all the same type with just 1 custom tree model from a map pack.

 

[Gilles]

I will. Here's another picture. Ignore the pathing blockers! I forgot to hit I.

I keep trying to import different doodads into my map, but the WE crashes when I'm "browsing" for the files to upload. If I do it quick, it's fine. 0_0

Another update. Got new trees in. I like these because you can place lots and not worry about vision!

 

[sk8er754]

pic

Looks nice . From above view its a fair walk to each castle, but from ground view it looks like its a couple blocks away haha. Oh well, just means quicker confrontations.

That bug sometimes happens to me but just when i right click and do properties of the models im importing to see their size from the open file window.

 

[Gilles]

New area. I'm really happy with this spot!

 

[Craka_J]

Very nice work, Gilles. The terrain is looking great! And the fact that this will be a BNet map, that makes this impressive.
~Craka_J

 

[sk8er754]

terrain

The only thing i see that could be improved is all the tree's angles. Alot are angled the same degree. Just put some random numbers in and i think it'll be better . I had to do that with the same tree model in my RPG map.
Keep up the good work Gilles.

 

[Craka_J]

Ah yes, I agree. Looks dumb that all of the trees just so happen to be tilting in the same direction.
~Craka_J

 

[Gilles]

I agree as well. I noticed it right away, but haven't done anything about it yet. It also sucks that there is only on model of that tree. How can I change the angle on all of them at once? Is it possible?

 

[sk8er754]

hmm

I dont remember, is it that u change the fixed rotation to -1?

 

[Gilles]

It is at -1. Not sure, I guess I better get started and rotate them all.

 

[sk8er754]

yea

oh forgot, thats what i did, rotated each one lol.

 

[Gilles]

More updates. Almost finished everything but the second castle, haven't touched it yet.

 

[Belgarath]

Righty, I'm here now
That terrain is sexy, although I think you should use a bit more of grassy dirt instead of the uber green grass tile. The walls are nice, although I'd recommend making little grass things and lifting them up and around it, to make them look a bit more realistic. The river rushes are a little over-greened, maybe a bit darker, in my opinion. For rocks, maybe lower them by like one thing to remove the weird pebbles round 'em. Only other thing is that you're using too much of the grass tile, as already said, IMO. I think you should add a bit more dark grass and short grass (repeat).
Overall, for a BNet map although the angles won't be as good, great!

 

[Gilles]

I can't add any more tiles without WEU. The rushes are too green, I meant to change them eventually, also there are barely any in the map. The rocks are better now, I added a roll to them, and it doesn't really matter because it's a birds eye view. I don't see how the tiles are bad, I like them, would be nice to have a new grass tile, but w/e.

 

[Craka_J]

Agreed with Belgarath. Though I think your work is looking good, as usual. Keep it up!
~Craka_J

 

[Gilles]

Hurray, I'm done for now. Beta should be coming out soon, after sk8ter implements the new zone bonuses, and tweaks units.

Updates added. Pretty much finished terrain, unless sk8ter wants more or changes the castles.

 

[sk8er754]

Map

Great scenery Gilles. The camera shots look really nice. I'll get out my trusty notecards again and start writing down what still needs added in and where.

 

[Craka_J]

I think the 'layout' of the terrain is almost perfect. The upper castle's surroundings on the upper right area is a bit empty IMO.

The rest is good though, nice work!
~Craka_J

 

[Gilles]

You can't go up there Do you really think I would leave it? It has some houses that do with game play.

 

[Craka_J]

Oh right! Forgot about that stuff. Nevermind then. ^_^
~Craka_J

 

[sk8er754]

small delay

I got some messed up cold thats slowing down the map so I dont think it'll be rdy this friday =\.

 

[Gilles]

You have a cold? Me as well! Hope we both get better!

Sorry for the spam.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Where you got those castle walls?

Anyway, very 1337 terrain.
And is the first release coming soon?

 

[Gilles]

Hopefully. It's all up to sk8ter though, he's the boss. I think he wants to implement some more stuff first, I added a new idea.

He (as stated above) is sick and progress is slow.

 

[FamousPker49]

That is sexy, I especially like that sort of little marsh thing you have going on, and one castle is bigger than the other ;p Great Job Though

 

[sk8er754]

Those wall models were from the wc3campaigns if i remember right.

*update*
Not much really to write cept im going to use the way that lotr helms deep map uses siege towers to get on walls for now. I might keep it but I would like to have something different and working (mines not working).

Gilles, for the siege tower, I figure it can be modelled and have a low size in the end. Think I should spend time on it? I probably wont use it till after beta since it will need to be boned,animated, and skinned. Skinned by someone else cause i cant do that .

Last things needing checked so far:
1. Siege weapons, towers, infantry balance
2. Every unit with their own special passive or activable ability.
3. Balanced combat system
4. Decent resource-income system
5. Trader merchants completed and pathed

Ill need a closed Pre-beta test for half and the rest I can solo. I can't host cuz my router doesnt have port-forwarding... so ill have find someone that can.

If you can think of anything Gilles or if anyone has some neat idea's let me know. I have all siege type units already needing atleast 1 person inside to attack. The more inside, the faster the unit can attack. Same for the castle towers to.

 

[sk8er754]

Castle Siege is rdy for a closed beta test. I fixed afew things with units,added afew triggers,etc. Its not fully beta yet but its close. Theirs still acouple unit abilities i need to add and a couple places with special area's that need done. Just a couple things and it should do it.

 

[Craka_J]

I'd like to be a part of this Closed Beta. PM me when it is ready.
~Craka_J

 

[Gilles]

If anyone wants to beta test, sign up here. If you seem reliable we'll take you.

 

[daw_guy]

Hmm I might*** be able to do it. Plus i can host if it is needed.


***long brake but couild be kicked off.

 

[Gilles]

Sounds good. Not sure when we will release. It's all in sk8ters hands.

 

[sk8er754]

Release time

I'm looking at a 2vs2 or a 4vs4 closed beta match. With current entry's, its about 3-4.

I wouldn't mind one tonight, it would be missing things that tommorows map could have but it will essentially be the same. It's mostly to test combat and see how units can be used right or how some can be abused.

 

[Gilles]

I won't have time tomorrow. I don't think anyways.

 

[Craka_J]

I think Thanksgiving is a busy day for all of us. Best chance getting it over with today or perhaps this weekend.
~Craka_J