Avatar 0.59

[Dj0z]

Well yeah, but unless you can mod a Kodo Beast on short notice (the only unit that comes close to looking like a Titanothere) so the nose ridges look like a hammerhead, I figure a compromise with standard Warcraft units is the best that can be done...

That makes sense.

awsome map
will show my friends

Glad you like

 

[Nagir]

i like it, only missing more variation in the music. the terrain around the tree of souls was good, though the hallelujah mountains, as far as i remember, is in front of the tree, not behind. also, i hope you enables the ability of mounting the ikrans, not only the toruks. and where are the "horses" (i can't remember what they're called in the movie). everything else was brilliant, and i can't wait to see the finished product.

 

[cleavinghammer]

^ Palé, as I recall.

 

[Hugomath]

Hey ! Got a suggestion: For the Avatars, you could create some Na'Vi-made items (like bows, spears, etc.) to sell somewhere.

 

[Tleno]

Why sell? They don't have capitalism you know. They are peaceful morons that don't understand the immportance of cash and taking last posssesion of others just to become reacher by yourself.
But actually making items like those and giving them to your soldiers could turn out intresting...

 

[Dj0z]

i like it, only missing more variation in the music. the terrain around the tree of souls was good, though the hallelujah mountains, as far as i remember, is in front of the tree, not behind. also, i hope you enables the ability of mounting the ikrans, not only the toruks. and where are the "horses" (i can't remember what they're called in the movie). everything else was brilliant, and i can't wait to see the finished product.

Pleasant review
You're right about the hallelujah mountains, i have recently noticed that too.
In 0.37 i'm making the terrain more like what 1.00's terrain will look like, but only on a cosmetic level for now. In a version not too far away from now, we'll place the Hallelujah mountains around the Tree Of Souls so that they protect it, like in the movie.

Ikrans will definitely be rideable too, it's just a matter of time (when system for Toruks is debugged, it will be extended to other animals).

The horses will be added too, we were waiting for a model but now i think we'll do without.
Stay tuned! ^^

Hey ! Got a suggestion: For the Avatars, you could create some Na'Vi-made items (like bows, spears, etc.) to sell somewhere.

As Tleno said, they will not be "sold", but those items are planned for implementation already

 

[cleavinghammer]

You can always use the stag model for the horses, they're already the approximate color...

 

[Hugomath]

As Tleno said, they will not be "sold", but those items are planned for implementation already

So will be like a recipe making or something?

 

[Etzer]

Hugomath, have you seen Avatar? They don't sell stuff, they carve it with materials, they help eachother.

 

[Tleno]

The simpliest way for crafting is just making a Na'vi shop building that would sell those for wood. I recommend it this way because then you could arm your Na'vi with weapons instead of just training them, plus there won't be any complications then like collecting materials which would be quite uncomftable when sky people are attacking your home tree

 

[Dj0z]

I think i'll make a button in the building like "distribute leather armors" or something, and when it is activated, it will keep making leather armors (the time to make those will be the "cost") and automatically distribute them to your troops around, or something.
Or, like in Rival Dynasties, you'd just use a "mass equip all soldiers in target area with <whatever gear you want> instantly". Still without a cost.

 

[cleavinghammer]

^^ Same system as the RDA's?

 

[Hugomath]

I think i'll make a button in the building like "distribute leather armors" or something, and when it is activated, it will keep making leather armors (the time to make those will be the "cost") and automatically distribute them to your troops around, or something.
Or, like in Rival Dynasties, you'd just use a "mass equip all soldiers in target area with <whatever gear you want> instantly". Still without a cost.

Both seems very nice . Oh, anyways, I loved the RDA's Equipment Systems ^^.

 

[Dj0z]

^^ Same system as the RDA's?

Almost, since the RDA's system actually changes the type of the unit, instead of just giving it an item. But both of these systems i just mentioned, are imported from Rival Dynasties anyways.
Only if i choose to use the progressive equipping system over time, will i have to code something new.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Tried the pickaxe again, and as far as I can tell, it does nothing except lose the item. Bear in mind I can't try it in multiplayer, so this has all been against attacked-to-turn-hostile Toruks and Ikrans.

 

[CyberDuelX16]

Agreed, the RDA Equip is awesome

 

[cleavinghammer]

RDA:
* The Armor Bay and Airbase have the same hotkey (B)

Avatars:
* Discovering an Epsoth tree gives you XP, but no message.
* Spears can be used on buildings and on allies (So if there's a "No Teamkill" in effect...)
* Confirming that pickaxes do something now.

I have to say, I don't really see much of a difference in the terrain except the occasional tree...

 

[Lodrak]

oh this map has become quite big what are u gonna do when maps to big?

 

[Dj0z]

0.37 is out!

RDA:
* The Armor Bay and Airbase have the same hotkey (B)

Avatars:
* Discovering an Epsoth tree gives you XP, but no message.
* Spears can be used on buildings and on allies (So if there's a "No Teamkill" in effect...)
* Confirming that pickaxes do something now.

I have to say, I don't really see much of a difference in the terrain except the occasional tree...

*Okay, will fix.

Avatars:
*Yup i forgot to add it to the Discover trigger, will fix that too.
*Spears will no longer be useable on buildings, and it ain't usable on allies atm, only neutrals (navis and avatars are actually neutral to each other). No Teamkill works on a case-by-case basis though.
*Nice

About the terrain, what i did in 0.37 was mostly importing the new doodads, they're not much exploited yet. That will come in 0.38.

oh this map has become quite big what are u gonna do when maps to big?

That's sadly true but i will replace some models with lighter ones, and such things. It will help avoiding immense filesize.

 

[darkdoom]

the screen shots seem to be in..........Spanish, but idk, is the map in Spanish?

 

[cleavinghammer]

Nope, in English (the screenshots are in French).

Say, what version will have the Dragon?

 

[Tleno]

I hae quite an intresting suggestion: See, when you give medics the AMP suit, the still have a healing ability. But ussually you arm a whole team with AMPs, making organic healing useless. So here's my suggestion: change Medic AMP's heal to some kind of "nanite Projection", that would cost more mana but could repair mechanisms too!
This way this will increase the efficience of medical AMPs.

 

[Dj0z]

the screen shots seem to be in..........Spanish, but idk, is the map in Spanish?

Some players are speaking French in the screenies, but the map is of course in English.

@cleavinghammer:
Probably the one after 0.38. I was also disappointed to notice that there is no fitting model in the hive's database, neither anywhere else i searched, so i delayed it more. For the way i plan to implement it, i need at least a copter with 3 guns, looking rather big already so that it ain't cartoonish if i need to scale it up for consistence with other models.

I hae quite an intresting suggestion: See, when you give medics the AMP suit, the still have a healing ability. But ussually you arm a whole team with AMPs, making organic healing useless. So here's my suggestion: change Medic AMP's heal to some kind of "nanite Projection", that would cost more mana but could repair mechanisms too!
This way this will increase the efficience of medical AMPs.

No need, they already have AMP repair, like AMP Workers. So that lets them with 2 autocastable restoration abilities, one for organics, one for mechanicals. You choose which one you put on autocast depending on your current needs.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Well, just this morning I saw this, maybe you could use it as a placeholder?

 

[Dj0z]

I understand the "placeholder" concept but it just looks soo much like a plane :/

 

[Dj0z]

Bumping, screenshots and Hive description have been much updated, feedback wanted
Also, 0.38 should be ready soon.

EDIT: Now with a video, showing a quick use of both the Mass-training system and the AMP mecha system.

EDIT2: Added a Space Drop video.
Also, here's a preview of 0.38's MLRS:

 

[Hugomath]

Wow Dj0z! It seems you have improved the map ALOT since my last review, so expect new(and very good) review from me in version 0.40. From what I saw in screenshots, you have worked alot harder. I'm going to test 0.38 right now!

 

[Dj0z]

Wow Dj0z! It seems you have improved the map ALOT since my last review, so expect new(and very good) review from me in version 0.40. From what I saw in screenshots, you have worked alot harder. I'm going to test 0.38 right now!

by 0.40 i should have added the missing units from the movie and hopefully finalized the quests so it will be even better, especially for newcomers.
Let me know if u like the new units and if anything needs a fix in 0.38 though if u dont mind ^^

 

[Hugomath]

Okay I just tested it and...

Found two strange things:

-First: An Animal Respawner visible for Corps... Here's the evidence!: View attachment WC3ScrnShot_072910_002247_01.tga

-Second: Some of the shots went to over... far more higher than enemies' overhead!


Anyways, incredible awesome work on the map! It's looking fantastically awesome!! Can't wait to version 0.40

 

[Dj0z]

Okay I just tested it and...

Found two strange things:

-First: An Animal Respawner visible for Corps... Here's the evidence!: View attachment 86652

-Second: Some of the shots went to over... far more higher than enemies' overhead!


Anyways, incredible awesome work on the map! It's looking fantastically awesome!! Can't wait to version 0.40

-First: That's normal now, it was mentioned in the changelog

-Second: ill make the miss look like it happens lower then. Unless it was while targetting air units?

Glad you appreciate the work done so far

 

[Hugomath]

-First: Sorry. I didn't payed so much attention to it ;P

-Second Alright cool! No, I was targeting the Animal Respawner

 

[lol_lam3r1]

real great map too bad i cant find ppl to play with alot

 

[Dj0z]

Thanks you can go to channel clan DJE @Northrend(Europe) to find people to play it with by the way, or /whois TealHaze in any realm except asia, to see if it's hosting.

 

[onix_noob]

1. When the avatars announce war with the RDA if one of the Avatars is still wandering in the human base he get killed again and again because he respawn at the RDA base.
2. The Big Suits for the units are kinda 2 fat and wondering 2 much when you order them to move to a point and there have trees around.
3. Na'vi are kinda useless because no one can control them and they do nothing just wait to be sliced. But i still believe this is the best option for them at the moment.
4. So far i have charmed 4 toruks and 1 control with mammoths and 1 control with reptiles and i just make the humans quit. And with the rates that you can form an army as Avatar is very fast (note i haven't played with pro humans). Whatever i haven't try if there is limit for the units or something.
5. What is the point of the owls that are wandering all around and are owned by the na'vi. Make them to be like the Tree's ability but the own itself to be the missile. When you capture the owl he to have ability to attach to a tree. So basically when the owl attach to the tree the owner of him to see the area around the tree and the own to be gone (on the tree spotting). That way you will maybe remove the imba map reveal for the Avatars.
6. I was human once and my part left the game so i was the only one human and my food limit go from 34/34 to 48/34 i search the map for his units to kill them but even when they all die my limit was still negative value (red)
7. When Avatar gather spears they appear at your inventory so far so good but THEY DON'T STACK. I haven't see a warrior or person who run with 6 quivers with arrows/spears all around his body he will look like a clown. For example make the stack and there to be ability like quiver that will give the following capacity: Level 1 6, Level 2 12, Level 3 18, Level 4 24 or something like that. And the spears you gather to stack and to be unable to have more than one stack with the spear limit mention in the quiver ability.
8. I prefer throwing spears from 2000 range than going to 1000 range get damaged just to throw a bomb that will maybe miss because i can't predict the units position 1 second later.
9. What is with the Creep Respawners the Big tree owner just have them and he can't decide anything with the creep spawn rate/type or something.



Okay that is all for now i am lazy to play any more for the moment i hope that some of the information will help you improve the map good luck

 

[Dj0z]

1. When the avatars announce war with the RDA if one of the Avatars is still wandering in the human base he get killed again and again because he respawn at the RDA base.
2. The Big Suits for the units are kinda 2 fat and wondering 2 much when you order them to move to a point and there have trees around.
3. Na'vi are kinda useless because no one can control them and they do nothing just wait to be sliced. But i still believe this is the best option for them at the moment.
4. So far i have charmed 4 toruks and 1 control with mammoths and 1 control with reptiles and i just make the humans quit. And with the rates that you can form an army as Avatar is very fast (note i haven't played with pro humans). Whatever i haven't try if there is limit for the units or something.
5. What is the point of the owls that are wandering all around and are owned by the na'vi. Make them to be like the Tree's ability but the own itself to be the missile. When you capture the owl he to have ability to attach to a tree. So basically when the owl attach to the tree the owner of him to see the area around the tree and the own to be gone (on the tree spotting). That way you will maybe remove the imba map reveal for the Avatars.
6. I was human once and my part left the game so i was the only one human and my food limit go from 34/34 to 48/34 i search the map for his units to kill them but even when they all die my limit was still negative value (red)
7. When Avatar gather spears they appear at your inventory so far so good but THEY DON'T STACK. I haven't see a warrior or person who run with 6 quivers with arrows/spears all around his body he will look like a clown. For example make the stack and there to be ability like quiver that will give the following capacity: Level 1 6, Level 2 12, Level 3 18, Level 4 24 or something like that. And the spears you gather to stack and to be unable to have more than one stack with the spear limit mention in the quiver ability.
8. I prefer throwing spears from 2000 range than going to 1000 range get damaged just to throw a bomb that will maybe miss because i can't predict the units position 1 second later.
9. What is with the Creep Respawners the Big tree owner just have them and he can't decide anything with the creep spawn rate/type or something.

[...]

Hey that's some indepth analysis right here

1-Right, this will be fixed in 0.39, which is almost ready. It will bring a whole new level of terrain epicness (larger, almost totally redone) along with the needed fixes like this one.

2-That is purposeful, infantry manoeuvers more easily than mechas in thick jungle. If you switch to full AMP army you might wanna clear some forest in 0.38, or just take the wider paths in 0.39

3-Actually Avatars can control the Na'vi: direct recruitment with Instinctive Persuasion, or reaching 100 Understanding of Na'vi, which gives you shared control of all their units.

4-Avatars can clearly get troops faster than Corps, and in much larger amounts too. Only thing is, as you pointed out, they become able to do that too fast in 0.38, i'll rebalance it.
Amount of animals on the map is limited to the amount there are at start. There will never be more than 4 toruks, for example.
*Also about pro humans, they're pretty efficient. Newcomers have a hard time in 0.38 but this should be totally fixed in 0.40, with more progressive objectives and way better explanations.

5-These owls were added by another guy who works on the map, and i didn't care until i realize Corps can declare war to Na'vi by attacking them. In 0.39 i had started to remove them but i might give a try to your suggestion.
Also, the native side Is actually supposed to have easy map sight, and eywa's owls are very easy to remove for Corps, any attack on their tree removes them. And it needs a tree.

6-This is because you didn't build enough barracks. When a Corp is alone he has his whole team's foodcap = 160 max foodcap. Each barrack gives 4 food, you need alot of them (a real city) to reach this.

7-I will probably add a stacking system later, but for now it isn't that silly to need more quivers (slots) to carry this many more spears (8/quiver), as i see it.

8-I can't let an avatar throw a spear this far, he doesn't even have sight there. It's part of the hide & seek game to find a place (usually on mountains or near a tree that gives sight with interact) where you can see the enemy without him seeing you.
*This will be much easier in 0.39 with all the new mountains and landscape height differences.

9-These are the things Corp can destroy to stop animal respawn in that area, forever. They will have better model and blend in better with terrain soon.
They're owned by Eywa so she knows anytime they're attacked, and can defend them faster.
They will probably have a few abilities some day, but that's not their purpose, and i don't want that to ask for insane mapwide micromanagement from the Eywa player.

 

[germanthegood]

dont forget public the news avatars =)

 

[Hugomath]

Hey Dj0z... as you can see in my signature, i got some problems with my computer so I won't be able to test and review Avatar 0.40(when you release it) so soon... Sorry

 

[Dj0z]

Okay, shit happens :/


@onix_noob:
I have to delay some of the improvements i told you about, 0.39j will consist mainly of the terrain, bug fixes and quests will be 0.40's focus instead.

EDIT: 0.39j is out.

 

[Hugomath]

Well I got no computer with Wc3, but I got this little(and shitty) notebook, so I can keep up every day the Hive stuff. So I'll keep up and checking screenshots, changelogs etc.

 

[Dj0z]

Okay fair enough, too bad for this version, changelog doesn't let you imagine too much the result :/
I have already added a few screenshots of the new terrain in my albums, so u can check that out already i'll paste the images in the hive description later.

EDIT: 0.40b is out, let me know what you think of it!

 

[onix_noob]

I will test the new version as soon as i talk with a favorite person for me because i miss it and i am sad now to play and i will start to offend the Garena community and maybe i will get ban so expect test in the next 5-7 days. Thanks for the releasing of the new versions so fast

 

[Dj0z]

Errr, np well uhm good luck with the ban... i'll be releasing another version soon, with more bug fixes, and probably a new skin for the Avatar himself, that i'm currently drawing.

 

[Cweener]

Review Time #33 {Final Score:181/200}

Now, I know this map is a beta, so I'm sure a lot of these scores will change.

Review # 33

Rating System (in weener points:)

1-10 Originality
1-10 Replayability (discounted for most cinematics*)
1-10 Triggering (discounted for protected maps*)
1-10 Terraining
1-10 Object Managing (custom items and destructibles etc...)
1-10 Spells (if applies**)
1-10 Description (On THW and In-game (Loading Screen and information))
1-15 Engaging a.k.a. fun to play
1-15 Misc (size, system implementation, laginess etc...)
-100 or +100 for abiding by THW rules.
_{* = when one is discounted then other sections maximums are raised, and those sections are judged harder (if your map applies then it will show you what i raised later)
** = some maps dont really need spells so this section is discounted and given an automatic 10.}

Rating System Scores

Less than 100 = FF- (Reported, You clearly didnt abide by all of the posting rules, and i have reported you for (not) doing so.)
100-150 Points = F- (Rancid and Needs major work. Vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
151-160 Points = F (Bad and Needs work. vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
161-170 Points = D (Below Average and Needs much updating. has potential. vote for rejection and no +rep.)
171-180 Points = C (Okay but Needs updates. has potential. vote for rejection* and no +rep.)
181-190 Points = B (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval and +rep)
191-199 Points = A (Great and probably has reached full potential**. good job. vote for approval and +rep.)
200 Points = A+ (Amazing, you did everything right and went all out, approval and +rep)
_{* = depending on the map really, and what categories it scored low in
** = not always but most cases.}

Avatar 0.40b

_{Triggering scores not available, so other maximums were raised(see rating system*)}

1-11 Originality *7* Based on a movie, but the only one based off of it.
1-11 Replayability *10* No bugs to severely alter this.
1-11 Terraining *8* The terrain was great in most places, but you could use doodads in some places, and I really didn't like where the terrain was so high that you could have only a few units on your screen with the camera angle.
1-11 Object Managing *10* Fine, although a lot of passive icons, and non passive borders, there's an easy fix to that, and I could {PROBABLY} do it.
1-11 Spells *9* Kinda ehh on the originality, but finely executed.
1-11 Description *11* wincake.
1-17 Engaging *17* It's a tad boring, as it is one of the longer games, especially with many people.
1-17 Misc *16* Systems were beautiful, and there was little lag.
-100 or 100 Rules *100*
0-200 All-in-all *181* B (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval and +rep)

Author's Note,
This is a great map, and for being a beta, it's easy to see the effort put into this.

Bugs I found

Bugs:
None that I could find.

Recommendations

Recommendations:
You should preload the imported music in the init trigger, because when a new song came on for the first time there was a 3 second lag.
You should NOT use WEU.
Fix the icon borders, kinda confusing :/

Likes&Dislikes

[Liked]
There's a bunch to say about what I like. Too much here.


[Didn't like]
The avatar role is much harder to understand then the corps role.

If any map I've reviewed has been updated, feel free the ask me to re-review it. or if I haven't reviewed YOUR map, feel free to ask me.

Also, if you would like a mini-mod review, then simply ask.
It's not point based, and can go more into detail on specific things.

 

[Hugomath]

Nice . Too bad I can't test... YET! Found the problem on my PC. Dunno exactly when it's going to be fixed, but as soon as it is fixed, this will be the first map I'll play .

 

[MaweyRUS]

Cool map!

 

[buraxia3]

How can i control eywa :S i need chose avatars or others?

 

[Dj0z]

How can i control eywa :S i need chose avatars or others?

To play eywa go team 3 (dark green)..

 

[Hugomath]

Hey Dj0z! Got good news: My computer is fixed. However, I'm not sure if I'll get all back... . Anyways, I'll test the map as soon as possible.

 

[Dj0z]

Nice right on time to see the new versions that will bring major gameplay changes: quests will be totally redefined. I'm making them simpler, easier, and there will be alot more.
This will allow newcomers to discover the game extremely better, and it makes the start more progressive for everyone
I will probably release 0.44 ("Quest part 1") today, if i don't finish 0.45 (part 2) soon enough.

0.45 is 50% ready for Corps, once i'm done with them i may do the same for Avatars.
And when all that is done, Avatar will be one of the most player-friendly maps ever, hopefully .

 

[mckill2009]

i really like this map, i hope the final version of this is near