Avatar 0.59

[Dj0z]

Glad you like it I do my best to make it as good as possible ^^

The model for Toruk, like most others, were found here at the Hive.
The Avatar's model was made on request by a modeler, not sure u can find it in the models section. His texture was made by me, i don't think i uploaded it since it's specific to that model.
Neytiri's teture too was made by me, but this one is in the Skins section of the Hive.

As soon as i find better models for things that need them, i add them in newer version of the map, so Quaritch may get a better model later.

Thanks for the rating!

 

[cleavinghammer]

Problem: Entering -skip or skip doesn't seem to have an effect, buildings remain unavailable if the tutorial hasn't been carried out.


A different one: -camreset sets the camera to zero for some reason.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Thanks. Would you tell me the link of the Toruk model?

 

[Dj0z]

Problem: Entering -skip or skip doesn't seem to have an effect, buildings remain unavailable if the tutorial hasn't been carried out.


A different one: -camreset sets the camera to zero for some reason.

The first bug has been fixed in 0.52c, which i'll upload right now.
It was because the -skip only worked if you had not done the first quest yet, which means you needed to do -skip before building a Space Pad (and that was written nowhere).

The camera glitch is because the game checks for any number after the "-cam" word, and in that case there are no numbers, only letters.
*To reset the cam simply do "-nor" or "-normal"

 

[cleavinghammer]

I see. Also, slight glitch for Avatar players: Tip #1 has a bunch of code left in it.

 

[MR.Tricky]

Avatar is so cool like awesome

 

[SasuhKun]

I love this. I simply love this. The gameplay is... Perfect, almost.

There is, however, ONE little thing I'm not amused with. The only thing, by the way.

I don't quite feel in a lush forest. Couldn't you fill the map with more trees (even if only aesthetic: Like walls in wc3's campaign, although people use those models to make actual units. What I'm suggesting is the inverse... Make "usable" trees on some quantity, and lots and lots of non usable trees on most of the ground. Or you can make them all usable trees, if it does not interfere in the gameplay.)

 

[cleavinghammer]

I think he said there was a problem with the amount of doodads that led to the lack of trees.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Would you tell me the link of the Toruk model?

 

[Dj0z]

@cleavinghammer: Oh? I'll check that out.

@MR.Tricky: Thanks.

@SasuhKun: This is something that i know about. It should be done at some point or another, i have yet to decide if all the new trees will be usable ones or if they'll just be pure aesthetic. Thank you for the feedback sir.

@Mgeterno11: I looked it up for you but didn't find it.
EDIT: Oh wait i just did. It's akin by Denu called Deep Blue.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Thanks. i fould it and it is a nice skin.

 

[blademica]

wow nice map

 

[SasuhKun]

No problem Keep up the good work!

 

[kykeka]

honestly in this map I find there are many problems that take away from much of the experience for me.

First of all the Avatars are basically forced to join eywa or they're some of the weakest heroes on the map, give the players that decide to stay human some benefits too.

Another problem I had with this map was that the R.D.A seem to be incredibly weak because eywa can just spam all its incredibly overpowered abilities to repeatedly annihilate all units you have, like the locusts that you can never hit and kill infantry in a few seconds. On another note the power stone system is a decent one however there's nothing the R.D.A can do to prevent them from being captured. Maybe give them a method of possibly killing a stone or turning it off?

A last complaint I have with this map is that the R.D.A have such a low population limit for the strength of their units while the avatars/eywa can just spam animals with wild abaddon and completely overwhelm them, sure you can build defences but they mean nothing against a tide of animals stronger than your best units

I like this map however in my opinion it seriously needs to be balanced more and it needs to give Avatar players the option of staying with the humans, after all it doesn't make much sense for them to declare war on the R.D.A almost immediately if they haven't done anything and some players wouldn't want to join eywa which in the current versions you make it seem that it's the only option left open to them.

 

[HKO2006]

honestly in this map I find there are many problems that take away from much of the experience for me.

First of all the Avatars are basically forced to join eywa or they're some of the weakest heroes on the map, give the players that decide to stay human some benefits too.

Another problem I had with this map was that the R.D.A seem to be incredibly weak because eywa can just spam all its incredibly overpowered abilities to repeatedly annihilate all units you have, like the locusts that you can never hit and kill infantry in a few seconds. On another note the power stone system is a decent one however there's nothing the R.D.A can do to prevent them from being captured. Maybe give them a method of possibly killing a stone or turning it off?

A last complaint I have with this map is that the R.D.A have such a low population limit for the strength of their units while the avatars/eywa can just spam animals with wild abaddon and completely overwhelm them, sure you can build defences but they mean nothing against a tide of animals stronger than your best units

I like this map however in my opinion it seriously needs to be balanced more and it needs to give Avatar players the option of staying with the humans, after all it doesn't make much sense for them to declare war on the R.D.A almost immediately if they haven't done anything and some players wouldn't want to join eywa which in the current versions you make it seem that it's the only option left open to them.

The idea of 'Avatars are basically forced to join eywa' is ok. If Avatars decided to stay with human, will we have such good movie?

Eywa's abilities are not overpower. To summon locusts, Eywa needs to control 5 powerstones. At that time the game must be ran more than 10 and few more mins. Losing few or even 12 troops is not a big matter as you can train even more troops in your barrack within 30 seconds.

RDA has low population limit is truth as ISV is powerful but not super. To stop the respam, just destroy the respamer. Use swan to kill small animals and AMP rocket troops deal with big one. Choose commander at first to have a solid power against big animals.

Avatars can't train big units but recruit, Avatars have to wait them respam and search for them after having a great battle. Yet, RDA can product swan in 20 seconds, bunch of rocket troops in 30 seconds. How much time avatars need to wait to train/recruit enough force to deal with them?

This map is well balanced as I played this map with my buddies, and Avatars won first and few more times. Yet, RDA discovered a new tactics and won at the last few times.

*** Texture below may contains disturbing scenes ***
Imagine there are 12 big locusts biting your neck at the same time, and you don't die in a few seconds?

 

[Dj0z]

honestly in this map I find there are many problems that take away from much of the experience for me.

First of all the Avatars are basically forced to join eywa or they're some of the weakest heroes on the map, give the players that decide to stay human some benefits too.

Another problem I had with this map was that the R.D.A seem to be incredibly weak because eywa can just spam all its incredibly overpowered abilities to repeatedly annihilate all units you have, like the locusts that you can never hit and kill infantry in a few seconds. On another note the power stone system is a decent one however there's nothing the R.D.A can do to prevent them from being captured. Maybe give them a method of possibly killing a stone or turning it off?

A last complaint I have with this map is that the R.D.A have such a low population limit for the strength of their units while the avatars/eywa can just spam animals with wild abaddon and completely overwhelm them, sure you can build defences but they mean nothing against a tide of animals stronger than your best units

I like this map however in my opinion it seriously needs to be balanced more and it needs to give Avatar players the option of staying with the humans, after all it doesn't make much sense for them to declare war on the R.D.A almost immediately if they haven't done anything and some players wouldn't want to join eywa which in the current versions you make it seem that it's the only option left open to them.

Hello.
The question of avatars being forced to join humans has been asked many time before (purely balance reasons), but i really can't do it differently in this map.
Actually i could do it differently: having avatars start allied with Na'vis right from the start.
But that takes away from the scenario and RPG aspect of avatar gameplay. Note that i don't mind doing it this way if it keeps confusing people.

About RDA, everyone agrees that they're harder to play. However they're also strong enough to do their job. With the different tactics they got (infantry spam, early vehicles, safe artillery devastation, airlifted drops) they can strike precisely where it hurts, or overwhlem the enemy early in the game.
It is true that as the game progresses, if they don't destroy animal respawners and/or they let avatars build up huge navi bases, RDA will lose. the point for them is to have a plan to win before that happens, and to apply it. The efficiency of RDA who know what they're doing is terrifying.

Against locusts btw, use firebats, or AMP units. If you have a Dispersor (missile defense) around, locusts die instantly. There is probably one thing that needs a nerf however among eywa's spells and i'll fix that pretty soon. I'm not gonna tell what thing to avoid it being abused.

About Powerstones, consider them upgrades. Being able to deactivate them, would be like eywa being able to undo your "heavy weaponry" research that costed you time and money for a permanent advantage. It's really about doing the little things to guard some stones, if one of the RDA players is focusing on that, with his spaceship on top of eywa's head, i can hardly see what she can do about it. The only change i might do about this is adding a "An Atokirina has just been summoned!" warning message, like for "Evolution: Acid Rain" for example. You can easily guess how much that would screw up eywa i think.

Don't get me wrong, i really appreciate your well written, detailed feedback, so please tell me what you think about all that especially if you think i'm wrong on some points.


@HKO2006: Thanks for the support let me know if you think anything's not right.

 

[kykeka]

just clarifying a few things I may have said that were unclear and stating further issues
-it's not that eywa's abilities are overly strong, it's that later ability spam is simply annoying because it can obliterate your entire army with repeated spells being thrown at you that R.D.A have no defence against
-I didn't think Avatar was a great movie myself to be honest because even our militaries we have today could win such a conflict, that and the humans in the movie happened to be lacking a great deal of intelligence. We have better weapons around today, we have better vehicles around today, the humans only had 2 ground vehicle types, and they had a giant spaceship they barely used. One quote which sums up why Avatar would go completely different if the future was realistic. "Long-distance guided missles and bombs will not exist in the future" apparently humans only have the capability of fighting when they're a few feet away from their enemies in the future?

-responding to Dj0z, I have to say that I agree with you now on all aspects of your argument but one, I did not say that avatars should be forced to remain human or anything of the sort. Also, your argument about how it would take away from the rpg and scenario aspect of the game really wouldn't be a problem if you gave Avatars that remain with the humans more things to do and maybe more skills to develop? (sure it takes away from those aspects now however you haven't implemented any system to improve those mechanics for an avatar staying with humans). The role playing and scenario would only be degraded if you continue to improve their gameplay purely on the side of eywa/Na'vi.

-locusts don't eat human flesh so no you wouldn't die, there was also no giant man-eating locusts in the movie lol

not trying to be rude or anything however I do feel that Avatars staying with the humans are only bad because you make them such by not improving upon that aspect of the game.

 

[HKO2006]

*** Did not tried 0.53b yet ***

Some minor issue:
-The color code of a tip about hometree did not finish.
-When I destroy my own space pad, I gain 5 human knowledge...
-Sometimes, my RDA hero gain a killeraura...

Some advices:
General:
-Respectively display tips for RDA, Avatar and Eywa
-More tips

RDA:
-Maybe a reminder "ISV's mana is full, drop something!". Something like that.
-HQ/radar can have a scaner to scan where metallic grounds are.

Avatars:
-Gain something(maybe XP/Animal knowledge) when Avatars use Discover on Animals Respawner

 

[Dj0z]

just clarifying a few things I may have said that were unclear and stating further issues
-it's not that eywa's abilities are overly strong, it's that later ability spam is simply annoying because it can obliterate your entire army with repeated spells being thrown at you that R.D.A have no defence against
-I didn't think Avatar was a great movie myself to be honest because even our militaries we have today could win such a conflict, that and the humans in the movie happened to be lacking a great deal of intelligence. We have better weapons around today, we have better vehicles around today, the humans only had 2 ground vehicle types, and they had a giant spaceship they barely used. One quote which sums up why Avatar would go completely different if the future was realistic. "Long-distance guided missles and bombs will not exist in the future" apparently humans only have the capability of fighting when they're a few feet away from their enemies in the future?

-responding to Dj0z, I have to say that I agree with you now on all aspects of your argument but one, I did not say that avatars should be forced to remain human or anything of the sort. Also, your argument about how it would take away from the rpg and scenario aspect of the game really wouldn't be a problem if you gave Avatars that remain with the humans more things to do and maybe more skills to develop? (sure it takes away from those aspects now however you haven't implemented any system to improve those mechanics for an avatar staying with humans). The role playing and scenario would only be degraded if you continue to improve their gameplay purely on the side of eywa/Na'vi.

-locusts don't eat human flesh so no you wouldn't die, there was also no giant man-eating locusts in the movie lol

not trying to be rude or anything however I do feel that Avatars staying with the humans are only bad because you make them such by not improving upon that aspect of the game.

-Eywa's obliteration capability is being seriously nerfed in 0.54, which i already started making . For example there will no longer be "free" summoning, you'll need an atorkirina nearby where you wanna summon, making you take risks and making the middle of RDA bases safer.
-This one wasn't a question but i'm gonna answer still. The reason they used to justify RDA weaponry is some kind of deal that RDA has with Earth governments, who fear if RDA had all weaponry available, they could take over Earth from orbit, since they have all those spaceships and remote planets and stuff..
*Note that i personally don't care, and might aswell keep adding things like Big Berthas and MLRS, which were never possibly a part of the movie's weaponry.

-About alliances, my bad, i meant all i can do is make them start allied with Na'vis (and eywa) right from the start, but i had written "humans"...
I really have no plans to let Avatars play allied with humans, as it would require a world of updates and additions and balance testing etc.
I have no doubts it could be fun if pulled off correctly, but what i'm trying to do these days is release a 1.0 version to close beta stage and have a neat, balanced and finalized game. Such a huge change would take me too far from my objective.

*** Did not tried 0.53b yet ***

Some minor issue:
-The color code of a tip about hometree did finish.
-When I destroy my own space pad, I gain 5 human knowledge...
-Sometimes, my RDA hero gain a killeraura...

Some advices:
General:
-Respectively display tips for RDA, Avatar and Eywa
-More tips

RDA:
-Maybe a reminder "ISV's mana is full, drop something!". Something like that.
-HQ/radar can have a scaner to scan where metallic grounds are.

Avatars:
-Gain something(maybe XP/Animal knowledge) when Avatars use Discover on Animals Respawner

-Yeah i had seen that ugly colorcode too, fixed in 0.53b or 0.54.
-Uhh that's odd. That would mean when playing as human. Will check.
-Yes, probably an ability ID mess that gave the Killer Aura to some unit that shouldnt have it, somewhere near RDA base. I'm still searching which one it is.

-There's already tips for Avatars. I'll add some for Eywa but so far it's not a priority, she's the easiest to understand.
-Will add more tips based on what players have the most problems with.

-Will not add mana warning, that is the player's job, and it could annoy those who are keeping it full to prepare a massive drop somewhere.
-Metallic ground detection? why not.

-Yeah Avatars will eventually be able to get something from ALL possible things you can use Interact on.

 

[w3.player]

Your map is really amazing, the models and the whole world is amazingly made. The terrain just astonished me, but also the gameplay. Keep up the work.

 

[Dj0z]

Thanks ^^ you'll be happy to know that version 0.54b is currently being tested for release, it brings aLOT of very nice changes on almost every aspect stay tuned.

 

[Lo6a4evskiy]

Eyup, i love this map. Is it still auto-hosted or not? I can't find enough good players, most of them are leavers, noobs, etc.

 

[Dj0z]

Yes it is, the autohosted version is already 0.54b btw, see changelog at the forums!

 

[TheOranggila123]

cool, I never see map like this !!

 

[TheDireWolf123]

this game is didn't work in my warcraft 3 frozen thorne

 

[Dj0z]

this game is didn't work in my warcraft 3 frozen thorne

You have a Mac, right?

cool, I never see map like this !!

Thank you

 

[TheDireWolf123]

You have a Mac, right?

no, I didn't have a mac

 

[SasuhKun]

Did you update your wc3?

 

[Dj0z]

no, I didn't have a mac

Please tell when exactly the problem happens then.

 

[HKO2006]

Where I can download 0.54b?
Or...Is 0.54b not available now?

 

[Dj0z]

It is. My bad. Uploading it rightaway.

 

[Lo6a4evskiy]

Dj0z, I think you need to upload version 0.56b ._.

 

[HKO2006]

Oops... Maybe I should stop translating this until there is a stable version...

 

[Dj0z]

Dj0z, I think you need to upload version 0.56b ._.

Oops... Maybe I should stop translating this until there is a stable version...

Uhhh yeah probably, sorry for that but i went abit too active for a couple days. I was making massive additions to RDA units and deep changes like the tutorial quests, that brought some bugs of course, so i made again new versions to fix the bugs, etc.

I'm not updating to 0.56b yet because of how the hive workshop references updates. Avatar is currently still in the first page of the most recent maps:
If i update it now, it will not go back to top, it will simply stay where it is and people will think it's not a new version since it's in the same place as before. I have to wait for it to go to page 2 before i update here.

You can always see the true most recent changelog at our official forum, and download + play the true most recent version on our official hoster "TealHaze" on battle.net anyways.

As for stable version, it will probably be 0.57, which i am currently making, and that shouldn't bring much new stuff, primarily balance and polishing.

 

[SasuhKun]

Sorry for being TOO active? Come on! The goddamn dream of every player that loves a map is for its author to have said activeness! Keep up the excellent work!

 

[Dj0z]

I'll do my best
The version will be updated soon.

 

[jimboblazo40]

Holy S*IT! its cool great map.

 

[Dj0z]

Thanks dude

 

[Imsoawesome]

Wow this map is awesome, idk what to say, good job man 5/5

 

[Dragonheat]

Found a small problem: right-clicking trees that are in the fog of war with workers causes them to -harvest- the trees, check it out.

 

[Dj0z]

Found a small problem: right-clicking trees that are in the fog of war with workers causes them to -harvest- the trees, check it out.

Exactly, this glitch has been reported before. They do 1 round of actual harvesting before going back for normal deforestation.
This glitch's impact has been reduced in 0.59 (the round of harvesting was made super short) since we lacked an actual fix for that.

Thanks for reporting, and know that 0.59 will be out very soon. That's a ton of improvements since this 0.57 version, when you count 0.58's stuff (see changelogs).


EDIT: It's out! 0.59

 

[Archipelago]

That's a very nice description you've put together there! I'd love to try it when I get home. But, honestly the terrain seems rather dull, from what I can tell from the printscreens. Try using more evironmentals, like shrubs, flowers and such. A tip is using the "shrub" model, making it model 7 (i think, not sure), and then making it as big as possible (120) then lowering it down a bit into the ground and it will look more like grass. It actually looks rather beautiful! Here's an example of what I mean

Peace out!

 

[Dj0z]

That's a very nice description you've put together there! I'd love to try it when I get home. But, honestly the terrain seems rather dull, from what I can tell from the printscreens. Try using more evironmentals, like shrubs, flowers and such. A tip is using the "shrub" model, making it model 7 (i think, not sure), and then making it as big as possible (120) then lowering it down a bit into the ground and it will look more like grass. It actually looks rather beautiful! Here's an example of what I mean

Peace out!

Thanks for trying to help, that terrain will be much improved very soon you know.
Unfortunately i only see a blank page in that link you provided, maybe it's a private album or something.

 

[Djokula]

Awesome map

 

[Djokula]

Nice map Dj.I played all version and im gonna keep doing that XD

 

[Dj0z]

Glad you like it

 

[SasuhKun]

I can't wait till I see the next terrain!

 

[Dogzo]

i played the .58 and i liked it ^^, so fun, but gets boring
pros:
Awsome terrain
love put in work
Cool models
cool spells/items
very good sistems/no possible bug reports
cons:
the terrain in the middle, that cave, if you get in, its hard to get the hero back if your in a big combat
;
5/5 , good map

 

[HKO2006]

Finally a stable version
And I'm restarting translating

 

[Archipelago]

Thanks for trying to help, that terrain will be much improved very soon you know.
Unfortunately i only see a blank page in that link you provided, maybe it's a private album or something.

I'm guessing you think this response is kind of late, but I havent been on for a while, so you're right, it is late! I noticed that the picture was in a private album, so I'll relink it, not private! Link!