Ashenvale Tournament v1.05

[Moderator]

19:45, 20th Jan 2011
Cweener: Approved

See my post below for more details!

Side-note: Pretty fun game if you like these kinds of maps, and it's not even done yet.

 

[light bolt30]

Please explain why the author name is different to the uploader. Also please update your description soon as it gives me a small understanding of how to play the map.

 

[Leak-]

game crashes on macs

 

[Raging Ent]

At light_bolt30: Feii's my new Battle.net account, and I'm using that as my alias when creating TAT so players know who to contact in game (Should I be online).

At Leak-: So you downrate it without even testing just because it crashes? Does it even load for you, I knew you'd have problems with the icon compression but still..

 

[Soul Theft]

seems really good from description gonna test this but will you add AI?

 

[Raging Ent]

seems really good from description gonna test this but will you add AI?

I might once I get the hang of how to add AI.

 

[Leak-]

no the game loads; a lot of the heroes just don't work.

i tested 7 heroes and they all froze my computer when i researched their abilities, forcing me to restart warcraft 3.

 

[Raging Ent]

I know, but I can't use WC3's own abilities for most heroes.
I wonder if WC3 sees .tga as icons, and if it works for mac pcs.

 

[Leak-]

I know, but I can't use WC3's own abilities for most heroes.
I wonder if WC3 sees .tga as icons, and if it works for mac pcs.

yeah wc3 uses either tga or blp, and tga works fine on macs (whereas blp doesn't work in many cases).

http://world-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/icons.php

i didn't mean to be a jerk by unfairly rating your map - i was just distressed when i tested this version and warcraft 3 kept freezing for me.

 

[Raging Ent]

I understand - you were all excited and kept crashing

 

[Hugoness]

Positive Attention!

I love this map idea. This is actually something i thought of myself, to recreate the teamfights i've experienced from dota into a smaller arena-map. I'm not that far in map-making yet though.

I've only tested the map in single player so i have no overview of how the game works out. But from what I've seen it looks really cool. I have mostly positive criticism.

Thumbs-ups

-The large variety of heroes brings you less similarities in the course of each play.

- Really good work with the terrain. It has a lot of possibilities and adds another element to the fight. It enables the intensive chase-fights that involves "shading" behind trees and disappearing when running uphills.

- Good usage of the Warcraft palette. Terrain and theme does'nt look to spectacular, witch in my opinion makes it beauty and smooth to watch. The small amount of imported files are well integrated!

- Easy to learn gameplay. There are no need of any further tooltips or ingame guides.
Just pick your idol and start pouncing enemies, that is easy to get even for "first-timers".

Constructives

-From what i've seen i think some of the skills need to be downpowered. Such as ensnare, and similar disables. A too long stun is like removing a hero from battle. I'm worried about the Raiders you can hire, with 3 sec Ensnare. Those will be seen in every match.

-Don't get overexcited to create high lifesteals. 25% At the cost of 1000 gold WILL totaly mess up the game.

-A further step of messing up balance is giving a 5xCRITT to any hero. And in this case it's already an agillity hero with a 4.5 sec disable. I'm talking about Wolf Rider...

What this map need is people playing it so you can continue working with the balance! I would like to play it if anyone hosts.

 

[Raging Ent]

Your constructive points go along with the final note.
I am in need of heavy testing, since my net is kinda busted I can't host myself so I'm bound to wait for others to finally notice this project, or watch replays of players playing the map. Either way the balancing progress is slow, hence I hope HWS decides to host my project (more publicity).

 

[Kino]

Gotta love how this game is pretty fast moving, heroes die quickly etc.
I also liked how its was very diffcult to take on many heroes alone, you really need to stick in this map to survive.

However...

Golem Knight seemed to extremely underpowered, none of his abilties seemed to do anything. I as a paladin, could easily take him on autoattacks alone and win by a huge margin. Infact the harpy who was lower leveled than him did way more damage and was much harder to kill.

Also ranged heroes and hit and run tactics seemed to be very powerful. Partly due to there not being a quick way of restoring lost health, ranged heroes can very easily attack heroes at base and back off. And well theres not much you can do since pots take awhile to heal.

 

[Raging Ent]

Gotta love how this game is pretty fast moving, heroes die quickly etc.
I also liked how its was very diffcult to take on many heroes alone, you really need to stick in this map to survive.

However...

Golem Knight seemed to extremely underpowered, none of his abilties seemed to do anything. I as a paladin, could easily take him on autoattacks alone and win by a huge margin. Infact the harpy who was lower leveled than him did way more damage and was much harder to kill.

Also ranged heroes and hit and run tactics seemed to be very powerful. Partly due to there not being a quick way of restoring lost health, ranged heroes can very easily attack heroes at base and back off. And well theres not much you can do since pots take awhile to heal.

Thanks for the feedback dude!
And I've gotta say, I haven't seen Golem Knight being played since I nerfed him. Due to the fact I can't host myself I'm bound to watching replays untill I find someone willing to frequently host.

The hit and run tactic is in fact something that players should get familiar with.
The game is intended to work that way, you hit for experience and gold, return at low hp. Ranged heroes ofcourse have advantage, but if melee heroes are really having trouble (which I couldn't see in a replay thusfar) I'll up their damage to even the score.

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well ive tried your map and its pretty awesome!
had lots of fun, sneaking up on enemies or just overrun them by brute force.
but i also figured some bugs and imballances...

BUG:
-you cant attack your teammates, which is a good thing, BUT you still get exp+1gold for each try to attack your mate
-the charge skill of the charging knight...yeah...well...if you charge on an enemy, and he dies before the charge skill hits, you start running again on the enemy right after he revived D:so youll be forced to enter the enemy's base

Ballances:
-the gunners stun skill is pretty much useless. almost no dmg, 0,5 stun and friggin 3 secs to cast wtf D: while other heroes do a 1,5 stun+ lot more dmg+ instant cast...
-the magnataur. holy.fuck. his charge skill is overpowered to the max. he can instantkill at lvl 1. wtf. it seems that his skill does the dmg not only once, but with every touch. so if you use that skill and pushing the opponennt in front of you, he takes extreme dmg.

also dunno why lots of heroes (like the magnataur) have such an incredible mana reg. what is the point of int heroes+mana reg items if other non-int heroes have much more mana reg?

 

[Raging Ent]

well ive tried your map and its pretty awesome!
had lots of fun, sneaking up on enemies or just overrun them by brute force.
but i also figured some bugs and imballances...

BUG:
-you cant attack your teammates, which is a good thing, BUT you still get exp+1gold for each try to attack your mate
-the charge skill of the charging knight...yeah...well...if you charge on an enemy, and he dies before the charge skill hits, you start running again on the enemy right after he revived D:so youll be forced to enter the enemy's base

Ballances:
-the gunners stun skill is pretty much useless. almost no dmg, 0,5 stun and friggin 3 secs to cast wtf D: while other heroes do a 1,5 stun+ lot more dmg+ instant cast...
-the magnataur. holy.fuck. his charge skill is overpowered to the max. he can instantkill at lvl 1. wtf. it seems that his skill does the dmg not only once, but with every touch. so if you use that skill and pushing the opponennt in front of you, he takes extreme dmg.

also dunno why lots of heroes (like the magnataur) have such an incredible mana reg. what is the point of int heroes+mana reg items if other non-int heroes have much more mana reg?

Wow, FrozenFenrir tested!
And yes, maybe gunner's stun is nerfed to hard.
Charge!, yes I noticed that while testing and I will fix it.
Magnataur's Charge is bugged because it should add every damaged unit to a 'immune group' but somehow it still damages the units inside that group.

The hp and mana regeneration will be lowered in the next version.

 

[Leak-]

What's the shop cooldown for Sentry Wards? The tooltip doesn't say it yet. Similarly, why do items in the Relic shop have a cooldown?

Consider giving Raider(hired) another ability or replacing it with another neutral, since it's Ensnare coupled with Wolf Rider's Ensnare can be incredibly imbalanced. The other hire-able units seem fair though.

Did you intentionally avoid placing team fountains(for HP/mana replenishment)? If you are worried about fountain camping abuse, would it be possible to disable the fountain if enemies are nearby?

Rage of the Voodoo tooltip: "The Witch Doctor unleashes the Rage of the Voodoo". (needs an o)Should the tooltip for Kelen's Dagger of Escape mention the range?

The tooltip for Life Roots level 4 needs a little fixing.

Sometimes, the name comes out weird when I play. I played under the tag 'WorldEdit', but the game showed something different. Screenshot attached. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/863/wc3scrnshot012011124439.jpg

In the game lobby under map description, there should be a '-' before np.

I really want to play this game in multiplayer! Any place to do so that you know of Naro?

 

[Raging Ent]

What's the shop cooldown for Sentry Wards? The tooltip doesn't say it yet. Similarly, why do items in the Relic shop have a cooldown?

Consider giving Raider(hired) another ability or replacing it with another neutral, since it's Ensnare coupled with Wolf Rider's Ensnare can be incredibly imbalanced. The other hire-able units seem fair though.

Did you intentionally avoid placing team fountains(for HP/mana replenishment)? If you are worried about fountain camping abuse, would it be possible to disable the fountain if enemies are nearby?

Rage of the Voodoo tooltip: "The Witch Doctor unleashes the Rage of the Voodoo". (needs an o)Should the tooltip for Kelen's Dagger of Escape mention the range?

The tooltip for Life Roots level 4 needs a little fixing.

Sometimes, the name comes out weird when I play. I played under the tag 'WorldEdit', but the game showed something different. Screenshot attached. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/863/wc3scrnshot012011124439.jpg

In the game lobby under map description, there should be a '-' before np.

I really want to play this game in multiplayer! Any place to do so that you know of Naro?

The tooltip issues will be taken care of.
The multiboard error happens when you "Restart Game" in singleplayer, for some reason it bugs.. Have had it with all my maps.

You actually have good idea regarding the fountain.
And I don't think any hold will be imbalanced anymore since I added a dispel potion, either have your allies use one on you or die, it's a teamgame!

And you can play it on battle.net once I find someone to run a bot for TAT, or the internet here gets fixed.

 

[Leak-]

In -NM mode, -repick does not work properly at the moment. It removes your hero and a message pops up saying that the player is repicking, but there are no heroes in the taverns to repick to.

In -RH mode, there are unlimited repicks at the cost of no extra gold. Should a gold cost be implemented to prevent players from abusing this by continually randoming again and again? Or a low repick count limit enabled?

It would be useful, for testing purposes, to have a single player test command. This command would allow the tester to have unlimited repicks and/or automatically level up a hero to the maximum level.

Should the tooltip for Infernal Mage's Blink say the blink range?

Question: Naro, can you clarify what -zoneinfo does? I understand that it pings specific zones and displays their names, but is there any specific purpose to those zones?

 

[Raging Ent]

In -NM mode, -repick does not work properly at the moment. It removes your hero and a message pops up saying that the player is repicking, but there are no heroes in the taverns to repick to.

In -RH mode, there are unlimited repicks at the cost of no extra gold. Should a gold cost be implemented to prevent players from abusing this by continually randoming again and again? Or a low repick count limit enabled?

It would be useful, for testing purposes, to have a single player test command. This command would allow the tester to have unlimited repicks and/or automatically level up a hero to the maximum level.

Should the tooltip for Infernal Mage's Blink say the blink range?

Question: Naro, can you clarify what -zoneinfo does? I understand that it pings specific zones and displays their names, but is there any specific purpose to those zones?

Leak is taking a special interest in TAT;

Regarding the modes, will fix.

Singleplayer test is optional, but will be added if more people like it.

Will fix the tooltip.

And for the zones, people have yet to get used to TAT, and with the next version changing the experience gain (you will get more experience when less friendly players are around).
People will often find their team split up, scouting for enemies.
This requires some sort of landmarks to name areas of the map with
(DotA simply uses the position of the lane)
Hence such landmarks were created and shown with -zoneinfo;
Experienced players won't use -zoneinfo, it's just for new players!

 

[Cweener]

Hmmm...Gonna give this a look over right now.
C'mon procrastination, don't get me now...maybe later though...

{Edit}

Looks pretty good.
Not much to set it apart from other maps of this type, but new stuff and cooler stuff is there.
It all looks prettygreat for a WiP.
All-in-all A good map.

Wish I could look at the triggers before approving, but I'll go ahead and give the green light.

Approved

 

[Raging Ent]

If you want to look at the triggers I can pm you a unprotected version

 

[Cweener]

No, but thank you.

 

[Raging Ent]

Just making sure!
Thanks for accepting

Though recommended would be hot >:3, but it's to much of a WIP for that.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Looks like a well made map. I downloaded it, will test soon.

 

[Slead]

Nice!

 

[Leak-]

A 5v5 match of The Ashenvale Tournament would be SO EPIC and SO FUN

 

[Raging Ent]

Hope you enjoyed the games, it's still a bit 'raw' but it'll get perfectionized along the way.

 

[Leak-]

Definitely. Hopefully an assist system will find it's way into this game though!

http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=82929&highlight=assist
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=100199&highlight=assist

 

[Raging Ent]

I need to know what you want to see in the next version of TAT!
PM me, write it down here or mail met at [email protected]

 

[Leak-]

Ah, 1.02 looks sweet!

What kind of feedback are you looking for exactly in the hero-remake thread?

 

[Raging Ent]

Ah, 1.02 looks sweet!

What kind of feedback are you looking for exactly in the hero-remake thread?

Positive feedback! lol, no I just want people's opinion about the ideas.

 

[Orcnet]

What a good map, hope you make more

 

[Ssilhouette]

Simple and nice maps. Love it. Keep up the great work.

 

[Raging Ent]

There were some bugs found in 1.03.
Will start working on them tomorrow, enjoy this as much as possible.

 

[KillerNick]

just posting a comment about the game here.
the retrun of the Charging kight its prety over power, and the Ogre Smash Skill ,i think, its not working. i cant tell much about the heros cuz i just played once.
anyway, this map needs balances the sword o the relic shop its very much over powered +300 of dmg and crit?! pls balance this '-'
terrain i have no comments its good just the water fall its very strange to see a black water (mabye oil?).
and u should put the modes of the game on F9.

 

[Raging Ent]

just posting a comment about the game here.
the retrun of the Charging kight its prety over power, and the Ogre Smash Skill ,i think, its not working. i cant tell much about the heros cuz i just played once.
anyway, this map needs balances the sword o the relic shop its very much over powered +300 of dmg and crit?! pls balance this '-'
terrain i have no comments its good just the water fall its very strange to see a black water (mabye oil?).
and u should put the modes of the game on F9.

Regarding Damian and all strength heroes, next version we will probably reduce the amount of hitpoints you get for each point of strength.
I'll rescale Retribution and will fix Ogre Max.
Crystal Cleaver's cost will probably go up but it's supposed not appear in each game so it's no biggy.

Also: what do you guys think about giving the dying player's "seconds alive" as bounty when they get killed to the killing player? instead of 150 it'd be "seconds alive"..

 

[Venya]

i heard heroes voice and game sound in reaload try to fix this

 

[Raging Ent]

There seem to be a problem with (-bp).
I tested it and it worked fine but right now it's bugging.. Well look at it!

 

[Raging Ent]

Please post everything you want to see in 1.05 here!

Oh and tell Cweener to remoderate!