PONG v1.05

[Moderator]

12:33, 7th May 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Approved
Awesome idea.

 

[Magtheridon96]

I'm going to test it.
Just by looking at the description, I can sense that this will be ... promising

Good Job

... Now I'm going to play it


EDIT:

I just played it and this is my review:

Gameplay: 5/5
Interface: 5/5
Misc: 5/5

You're game was amazing.
The gameplay was very unique and unlike anything

Good Job (Sorry for the short review, I'm really busy ;p)

 

[Vehster]

Official Basic Review of V3H -


Terrain 5/10 - Not much you can do besides add a option for different environments.
Concept & Idea ?/10 - Will be marked if asked for advanced review...
Triggers 9.5/10 - Triggers are done as best as they could without re-making the map.
Object Data 8/10 - Seems fine to me in a map like this.
Overall Map Data 10/10 - Not enough to say to not make it a 10.
Estimated effort spent into this 9/10 - It could be improved
Playability 10/10 - It is a classic and definitely playable over & over.

Overall Mark - 51.5/60

Any questions about the review, just ask and I will answer.

Suggestions -
Add more events
Add 4 player option
Add terrain option

If you want a better review then request an advanced one.

 

[Hoops]

Suggestions -
Add more events
Add 4 player option
Add terrain option

A terrain-changing option will definately be considered. As I said in the description though, the 4 player mode might some day be added, but not this instant.

The amount of Events and Power-ups could indeed be improved. It was rushed, because I was completely out of ideas, and if I got one it sounded over-complicated and I never got around to finish them.

 

[Magtheridon96]

Triggers 9.5/10 - Triggers are done as best as they could without re-making the map.
Object Data 8/10 - Seems fine to me in a map like this.
Overall Map Data 10/10 - Not enough to say to not make it a 10

I don't think you can rate triggers
... or the object data ... or the map data .. unless you open the map
in the world editor .... which is impossible because he protected it

But since the game is pretty smooth and efficient, I'd say your triggers are good ^^

 

[-Kobas-]

There you go 5/5 and high recommend rating
Btw if I can recommend next tutorial http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...s-279/dialog-buttons-advanced-systems-186390/

 

[Hoops]

Btw if I can recommend next tutorial Dialog Buttons (Advanced Systems)

I looked at your Dialog tutorial. I had never thought of using it that way, it is indeed a much better way. You can both have a clear vision on what modes are in front of you, and you can't accidentally click something, and never take it back.

This could fit very well in Pong, since you can put in a lot of options.

 

[Andykiller]

How Do You Set Up Computers To Play With?

 

[xxdingo93xx]

you should let this track be the background music:

I think that fits perfect

 

[AuroN2]

:O PONG! Is this what i think it is?

 

[william1909]

i like it

 

[sengjung123]

so for now its a single player map?

 

[Vehster]

Here's my advanced review.

Terrain will for now be grouped together as a mark with Triggers until you make some terrain with triggers....

Every mark will be out of 10 to a total of 100 marks.

In this one it will be #/90 instead of 100 for now.

Terrain & Triggers = 7/10
Concept & Originality = 5/10 (9.8/10)
Advanced Concept Points +4.8
Game-Play = 10/10 (9.5/10)
No tutorial on how to play for new people -0.5
Effort & Skill = 8/10
Movement = 8/10
Extra features = 10/10
People's liking = 10/10
Map Data = 8.7/10
Use of objects = 7.9/10

78.9/90

Do remember that any of my advanced reviews can be changed at any time when your map is updated so no mark is permanent.

 

[Hoops]

so for now its a single player map?

It's not a single player map, no, but if you meant 4-player map then as I said in the description it might some day be made. For now however, it's a 2-player map.

Here's my advanced review...

Thanks for the review.
The reason there is no tutorial though is that the game is pretty self-explanatory, and it only takes about 1-2 games to know what it's about.

 

[InfernalTater]

I think you used imported content uneccessarily. I think the game would actually be more interesting using gates as paddles and orbs as balls. Just my opinion.

 

[Hoops]

I think you used imported content uneccessarily. I think the game would actually be more interesting using gates as paddles and orbs as balls. Just my opinion.

This would utterly ruin the 2D theme in the map.

 

[InfernalTater]

Gates and orbs can still be 2D if seen from above. They'd just be better looking.
What annoys me is that people think "different" means better. It doesn't, it's just a waste of file size.
If you were playing 2-D pong, you'd think it would be neat to import war3 gates and orbs. If you were playing 3-D pong, you'd think it would be neat to import 2-D blank bars and a square for a ball...

 

[Vehster]

From your point of view, not his.....
Don't force your opinion, it just makes you look bad....
Different does mean better, as well a suggestion for you EroticSideburns would be at a certain rank allow to change the ball to a orb and your bars to gates as TLI said above as his poor example.

 

[Hoops]

Gates and orbs can still be 2D if seen from above. They'd just be better looking.
What annoys me is that people think "different" means better. It doesn't, it's just a waste of file size.
If you were playing 2-D pong, you'd think it would be neat to import war3 gates and orbs. If you were playing 3-D pong, you'd think it would be neat to import 2-D blank bars and a square for a ball...

I fully respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. As I've said before the theme is arcade games/old video games, and because of the models the 2D is really at its finest in Warcraft.

I've also emphasized on that my map is unique, even though Pong has been remade several times. What makes it different from the other maps is partially because of its look. The paddles can also change color, and the ball too, bringing a concept of its own to the game (how power-ups are owned by the one who owns the ball - depends on color).

What also is so good about using the models is that you see so little of Warcraft itself in the game. There are only a few special effects from Warcraft, and the tiles, which look less like tiles in that black backround, and more like dots. Otherwise, it doesn't feel like you're playing Warcraft - it feels like you're playing Pong.

Moving gates around and hitting an orb that we've all seen before wouldn't make that feeling so great. It would reduce it almost completely.

From your point of view, not his.....
Don't force your opinion, it just makes you look bad....
Different does mean better, as well a suggestion for you EroticSideburns would be at a certain rank allow to change the ball to a orb and your bars to gates as TLI said above as his poor example.

Correct. The ball can already be changed into any unit-model in the game, and soon to come you'll be able to change your paddles into flower pots (unlocked at rank X). The flower pots are kind of an inside joke, since the very first "sketch" I did of the map used flower pots instead of the paddle models.
Different is good, even the rules of the Hive claim that your map must have a unique concept, or at least a hint of originality in it.

 

[InfernalTater]

Erotic, creating a copy of an arcade game doesn't do much good; a person can go online to do that. If you want the game to be interesting, it needs to not be an exact copy of something people've played before. That's why I'm saying using gates and orbs would make it better, in my opinion. Having recognizable warcraft models in a map does not make it bad, it gives it a warcraft 3 twist.
What annoys me deeply is that many people import models into their maps that in truth are less functional than the models already existing, and pretend their map is made better simply because it is different.
It's a psychological effect, people unconsciously believe different is better.
For example:
In Halo 3, where you start with a golen visor, everyone thought a blue visor would look cool.
In Halo Reach, where you can buy a blue visor early on, everyone thinks it's lame, and the gold visor, which you get much later in the game, is considered great. You aren't judging the actual quality of it, you're just being fooled into believing the supposed quality of it being different.
If you were playing Pong online, outside of warcraft 3, and you saw paddles as gates from warcraft, and orbs from warcraft as the ball, you would be thinking "that looks so cool!"

 

[deaththekid]

I agree this is the best ping-pong game ever.

 

[chilla_killa]

Wow, what an epic use of my simple models of paddles and ball.
Very nice work! 5/5

 

[orcwar2]

TLI-Inferno I agree with that statement. Though, at first i thought nothing of it then i got thinking after your post and it blew my mind how right you are.

 

[InfernalTater]

I suppose the purpose of this map is to look like an arcade game, so you can keep the useless models.
But I do think it would be neat if you made another game mode which would use gates and orbs.

 

[Hoops]

I never disagreed with your philosophical theory about changes (although I don't fully agree with it either), I'm only saying that in my opinion, the map is better with the models it has. When chilla_killa created them and posted them to my thread, it really inspired me to make the map.
Anyone can remake Pong, here on Warcraft or anywhere else, sure, and that's why my map isn't just:

"Pong in Warcraft with kick-ass never before seen models!"

No, that's not what specifies it at all. It's the other things that make my map unique as well. Events, Power-ups, different modes, and more importantly, the Thrust.
Thrust allows a completely new strategy to Pong, and is in fact the main point and goal of playing my map.

But I do think it would be neat if you made another game mode which would use gates and orbs.

If you would have listened to what me and Vehster were talking about, and maybe taken a look at the Changelog, you would've seen that you can already change your paddle to a flower-pot and the ball to any unit in game, bringing the Warcraft aspect to my map.

 

[InfernalTater]

A flower pot doesn't quite look like a gate to me :/

 

[hellboys12345]

This is a very good idea for a map! Every thing is awesome! I mean how do you do it????
Too awesome dude! AI too tough for this map? Anybody?

 

[InfernalTater]

I could make an AI for you if you want.

 

[Hoops]

I'll leave it up to me, thanks.

EDIT:
There are now two single-player options. If playing alone, you can either set a wall on the other side (pretty self-explanatory), and the other being Computer AI! Three difficulties, Beginner, Intermediate and Expert.

The AI was made by Tal0n at U.S. East.

 

[SanD3R]

good map
5/5
thanks for it
w8 new vers
mb 2vs2 or 3vs3 version? xD

 

[Hoops]

good map
5/5
thanks for it
w8 new vers
mb 2vs2 or 3vs3 version? xD

Read the foreword of the map description.

 

[Zorrot]

well done.....at least you have a good idea.A rare map.

 

[InfernalTater]

Good that you've added AI and a wall bounce for people to practice with.
But, as I said before, I'd like to have the option of changing my paddle to a gate. I know you have the flower pot option, but what about gates? Some gates even have an animation for being hit, in which they bend inwards and then outwards, which would be perfect for bouncing a PONG ball.

 

[Hoops]

But, as I said before, I'd like to have the option of changing my paddle to a gate. I know you have the flower pot option, but what about gates? Some gates even have an animation for being hit, in which they bend inwards and then outwards, which would be perfect for bouncing a PONG ball.

That's not a bad idea, actually (using animations). It could look nice. If anything though, I'd add the gate as an unlockable feature, it's the only way.

 

[prinz_cenarius]

hi

yes yes

 

[InfernalTater]

Its up to you how you implement it, I'd just love to see one in PONG.
It could be:
1. A special event or powerup
2. An unlockable
3. A customization option
4. A custom mode

Or just not even in the game at all, but I'd like to see it.

 

[Hoops]

I had an idea yesterday, which could make a really cool event:

Both paddles turn into gates, and a key spawns on the arena. First one to get the key by hitting it with the ball opens the opposing player's gate, allowing the ball to go through. Once gate closes, both paddles go back to normal.

 

[InfernalTater]

That's friggin awesome, dude! When I suggested using gates, for whatever reason I wasn't thinking about the fact that gates can open!
That type of event would really be awesome.

 

[clockwork2]

i never actually played pong before,but i have played ping pong games before.

 

[xorkatoss]

wow this game is pure win!! it's better than the other 2 pong games on THW...
i won my friend 3 times in a row and then he rage quited
looking forward to newer version, good luck!! 5/5

 

[Tassadaritze]

Nice. I like it. Definitely going to test it out when I get the time.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Teehee.

 

[SA Dashie]

Just a small bug report that the ball/squire whateva' rebounds a tad eary and looks a bit dodgy to me any chance on changing the bouncing timing?

 

[Hoops]

Just a small bug report that the ball/squire whateva' rebounds a tad eary and looks a bit dodgy to me any chance on changing the bouncing timing?

If you're talking about how it bounces off walls/paddles then that's not a bug, just your personal issue with the visuals.
It bounces a bit early off walls because if it would be any closer it would touch the white terrain dots.
It bounces a bit early (depends on the situation) off paddles because it detects the ball's within range using a circular radius, not the x,y's of the paddle.

 

[InfernalTater]

Sideburns, I've got an idea to improve your system. Instead of using a circular radius, add the distance from the ball to one end of the paddle to the distance of the other end of the paddle. If these distances are below a certain amount (the length of the paddle), the ball would have to be touching the paddle.

 

[SA Dashie]

I thought you would off used regions for the game to be more accurate
Meh oh well.
Also it's probs just me like seeing everything perfect

 

[Hoops]

I make it detect if the ball's distance from the Position of Paddle is less than a certain number, then it hits.
Right now I see almost no reason to change this, since it works fine and it's not that detectable since every time the ball hits there's a special effect on him.

If you however think there's a better way, feel free to post the trigger yourself.

 

[sengjung123]

maybe make the paddles more to the front. the ball somehow could bounce back even though its directly behind the paddle. also, during the mode where the ball changes angles whenever it touches the walls, there was this one time where it rebounded to the back of the paddle and made the player scored an own goal. is there anyway to fix this?

 

[Hoops]

maybe make the paddles more to the front. the ball somehow could bounce back even though its directly behind the paddle.

That is because of the circular radius used to detect if the ball's within range, and I don't see why this would be a big problem.

also, during the mode where the ball changes angles whenever it touches the walls, there was this one time where it rebounded to the back of the paddle and made the player scored an own goal. is there anyway to fix this?

There are currently some technical issues with the event "Other Realm Ball" and Thrust. In the event, the ball will sometimes go straight through the wall, but is not known to go backwards.

EDIT: There was a bug with Thrust, probably the one you were talking about, that has been fixed.
EDIT2: v1.04 released - all bugs regarding Thrust, Other Realm Ball and Power hits making ball take weird directions fixed.