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Anarchism

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Snarewave, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. WherewolfTherewolf

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    Even Anarchism needs someone to pioneer the idea, otherwise no one else will rise to action unless someone leads the way. In that manner total anarchy is impossible - also of course there's people that work to ruin for other people when unrestricted (take an example when Aaron made the mistake of linking a beta form of chat without a kick function in it to chat one day - a few people were quick to ruin testing by spamming the word "cock" over and over until he turned it off - simply because they could do whatever they wanted, they did).

    BUT, the more minimalist a government is, the more ideal it is - like anything, perfection is impossible thus anarchy as a final destination is something that can be shrived for, yet never reached.
     
  2. MySpaceBarBroke

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    If society takes to a leader, that's fine. What's better is that they don't have to.

    I swear, this is like when Elenai was trying to convince people that atheism is a religion.
    1) Obviously, there's not going to be some instantaneous jump from a rigid government to anarchy. That would be as chaotic as vice versa.

    2) In an anarchy, just because you would expect the government to have all the power doesn't mean that once you remove the government, the people are powerless to fend for themselves. In fact, I would say they are even moreso.

    3) Perhaps this may or may not be the case in real life. The question is, are there more understanding, benevolent people in the world than there are people willing to wreak havoc? Are those people willing to unite without the guise of a government?
    Perhaps.
     
  3. WherewolfTherewolf

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    No, there aren't enough benevolent people in the world for that.... it's sad but true
     
  4. Dreadnought[dA]

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    I think something very similar to anarchy would be possible. It's called a resource based economy.
     
  5. Levdragon

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    Eww, sounds a lot like communism...
     
  6. MySpaceBarBroke

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    Yes, clearly anarchy is very similar to communism.

    Wait, no, get the fuck out. Anarchy is the fucking antithesis of communism.
     
  7. Levdragon

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    Resource based community? That rings bells... Anarchists are just another type of warlord communists... there is no capitalism, and the warlock or militia leader would get all the resources.
     
  8. Tyranid

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    Except Anarchism is freedom from all institutions, so the so called warlord (lolwarlock) would first need himself an army, but he can't force others to serve him as in the essence of anarchism, he doesn't have the right.
     
  9. Levdragon

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    Anarchism has no rights :|
     
  10. MySpaceBarBroke

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    You have all the rights you're willing to defend.
     
  11. Vosty

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    Anarchism has every right. It has no wrongs, seeing as noone is to stop you from doing yourself justice.

    I really think anarchism could work, but some certain conditions would have to be met. With the axe murderer for instance, instead of paying taxes that pay for your Police, you pay a mercenary (Whether it be money or barter system) and he is expected to defend you. Of course, he could say "F*ck off" and not protect you, but that wouldn't be in his best interest. After he is seen to be a crappy service, people will stop paying him and move to another service.
    This also goes to show with public education, food markets, and many other things that a government does or could do. Basically, people will depend on the quality of the services offered to them. Of course, punishments would be more or less harsh, as there will be less militia to enforce silly things like stealing, and for murder, murder would be the charge, but I sorta am impractical to the current justice system anyway.
     
  12. jaZ

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    So you're proposing that anarchism becomes a system of supply and demand in its own right because you suggest that competition plays a role in providing insurance and higher quality services.

    Following that, is it not also reasonable to say that various communities would still form and maintain certain conventions due to the presence of a kind of enforcement, whether or not this enforcement takes the form of a physical militia presence or presence of competetition? If that occurs, isn't anarchy then comparable to a bunch of scattered community-states?
    The only close analogy I know of would be the greek city-states and how they existed as independent entities and communities, though they grew to be mcuh more.

    Also, @those of you who are presupposing that anarchy implies a kind of stereotypical post apocolyptic society, understand that anarchy does not automatically imply chaos; the only thing the word 'Anarchy' implies is the definition in OP, so if you somehow arrive at the conclusion that there will be chaos and crazy doctors cutting off your junk I hope you will provide a reasonable argument...
     
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    But... Why should we leave our civilized society because of chaos?
    I think that anarchy is worst thing that can happen.
     
  14. Vosty

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    This thread isn't about whether we should get rid of our government. It is about what would happen without it.

    And plus, Killer Narwhals that kill off all the women is the worst thing that could happen. Heck, there are many more things that are worse than anarchy.
     
  15. Levdragon

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    Oh when you say public education I think you mean public execution, with anarchy public services will diminish and schools and universities will be basicly non existent, think French revolution but much much worse as anyone can get a gun :| Anarchy S U C K S !
     
  16. WILL THE ALMIGHTY

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    Anarchy works if everyone is perfect.

    This will never happen.

    EDIT: Although, to be fair, no political system has "worked" yet.
     
  17. Tyranid

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    Again you amaze me with your well thought opinnions and truly valid points, indeed you are one deep thinker.

    What exactly do you base the opinnion that public services will diminish? I would say that we have come to the point where there is always demand for certain things, and very VERY few people are actually completely self reliant. Now where there is demand there is also some form of supply. This is how it would work in Anarchism. One person would demand and another would supply. A mother wants education for his children so she hires someone to teach them. Alot of mothers want education for their children so a person builds a school to teach them in.
    Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    None the less, I myself don't really believe in Anarchy. I mean the whole idea sound all fine and dandy, but in reality I find it to be too utopistic to ever work in real life.
     
  18. Vosty

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    Yes, put private schools (FTW) will still be there, as they always have been. Not only will they be cheaper, under the competitive economic structure that is availible in the free market, but they will be better. People will not send their kids to crappy schools. They either won't send them, or find a one that is worth their damn money. Trust me, public education is terrible, compared to private. I am making the transfer next year, and by reading some of the textbooks, I am in for a pretty retarded year.

    So when I say that almost every government service can be replaced by a better, free market one, I am stating the truth.

    EDIT: If this looks like I copied Tyranid, he beat me to the point by a few minutes, while I wrote this and did other crap
     
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  19. TwistedImage

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    This. Short and simple.