Aliza's Journey - Beginning(v1.1.5L)

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Small almost review like post

Map Status: Rejected
(1/5) Unacceptable​

 

[Shadow Fury]

Will try it right now! I'll release my review later.

 

[Theeffi]

Will try it right now! I'll release my review later.

Cheers, I'll be waiting.

Also if there's something that should be added to the Campaign info, let me know.

 

[DemonFace]

Good points:
terrain is great
story is good
Bad points:
there are some mistakes when somebody says something
Suggestions:
fix all the mistakes that might happen in cinematics when somebody says something
4/5

 

[Theeffi]

Good points:
terrain is great
story is good
Bad points:
there are some mistakes when somebody says something
Suggestions:
fix all the mistakes that might happen in cinematics when somebody says something
4/5

What do you exactly mean with these "mistakes"? badly written english or something else?

 

[DemonFace]

What do you exactly mean with these "mistakes"? badly written english or something else?

Badly written english. I found also one thing what is also bad. Aliza looks like night elf, but her mother looks like human and its weird. You should give Alizas mother a custom model maybe.

 

[Theeffi]

Badly written english. I found also one thing what is also bad. Aliza looks like night elf, but her mother looks like human and its weird. You should give Alizas mother a custom model maybe.

Her mother is High elf this was explained on one point.

I try to squish those typos and such as much as I can but, it is difficult with my english.

 

[Shadow Fury]

As I said, here is my review:

ALL THE BAD POINTS:-
- Just the beginning was booooring and didn't really catch me. How was it long? Ehm... 2 minutes?
- Most disappointing thing is that Aliza is a unit and not a Heroooooo!!! Having a unit as a main character is a very dreadful idea!
- Even Chapter 2, 3 and 4 were really short and quite booooring! Map was so small and only 1 or 2 quests. Each of these chapters lasted no more than 5 minutes!
- Slightly bad and flat terrain in these first chapters
- So many dialogue mistakes
- Skipping Chapter 5 and 6, the part of the swamps, because they were great, I'll go directly to the next chapters. I really cannot understand why Chapter 7 only needs me to go to a sorceress and climb a hill without even fighting? In no more than a minute I finished it!
- U keep putting only consumable items in the first chapters instead of putting runes as u did in Chapter 8 and 9 and so in the swamps, I couldn't heal my footmen easily
- Any beneficial item I took was not restored in the next level. e.g I took a Potion of Healing in Chapter 3, in Chapter 4 I no more have it! This was really bad when I found a Lion Horn of Stormwind in Chapter 9 and I couldn't have it in the next chapters!
- Chapter 8 is very very easy while Chapter 9 is almost insane! That's not balancing the difficulty of the levels! Each level should be harder than the previous one, not simpler! Another comparison, Chapter 7 and Chapter 8
- Chapter 12 is IMPOSSIBLE! Only 18 food, some scarse resources and bare reinforcements of 3 units will not let me survive for 12 waves! And the last wave is a mayhem where gnolls come from everywhere and I got nothing! I had to use cheats to win
- Also, the city was really really bad with a few tile variation (where r Black Marble, Brick and White Marble????) and mal-usage of doodads!
- Even more deluding and disappointing than Chapter 7 are Chapter 11 and 13! In Chapter 11, I just go to meet Eric and it's over (30 seconds maybe to finish it???) and Chapter 13 same thing, I meet Eric and go to a circle of power, then FINISHED! Too short chapters

COMMON MISTAKES:-
- Bad cinematics
- Bad camera usage
- Lack of good music
- No special effects or exciting unexpected events
- A few new abilities, the rest were copied and/or simply renamed (Fireball, Evasion, Blink etc...)
- Maximum 2-3 quests each chapter and very few Optional ones
- Most of the chapters lasted no more than 3 minutes

MY SUGGESTIONS!!!:-
- In most of the first chapters, make their terrain more hilly and add more doodads to it
- When a cinematic starts, fade and THEN let the camera move! Don't let the camera move, turn cinematic mode on and fade in the same time! Noobish result!
- Correct ALL dialogue mistakes
- The story itself needs something amusing to happen. Everything was dull and no unexpected events occured. I mean, u could make like Aliza's mother was kidnapped. Aliza's village was razed. A source of darkness lures Aliza to use dark magic. Anything of these would make the story much more interesting
- Put more Permanent items! Not just healing items!
- Change Chapter 7, 11 and 13 to interludes as they don't last more than a paltry, dreary, humble, insignificant (ok, I'll stop with the adjectives now ) minute!
- Make Chapter 12 easier
- The ending didn't really attract me to see what will happen next. Follow the suggestion I mentioned above about how to develop ur story
- Well, what can I say again? The city urgently needs a better terrain. Add more tiles to it (yes, the 3 ones I mentioned in the bad points) and use more doodads like flowers and shrubs!
- More quests for most chapters to make them longer
(MOST IMPORTANT!!!) - U must convert Aliza to a Hero and let each item she gains be stored in a level and restored in the next one

And finally, to conclude this interminable review, I give this a 2.5/5 and rate a bare 2. Vote for APPROVAL anyway.
I hope I've been useful

 

[Theeffi]

<Loads of text.>

1. I don't really see point why Aliza couldn't be non-hero unit, but main point why she's not hero on the first campaign is that I didn't know how to transfer hero to other map. But I left it so even I do know how to do it. (The campaign was made on 2010 when I started to learn WE, so the first one is the most lacking)

2. Yes, true that some maps are pretty short and these could really be just cinematic maps or such.

3. Items do not transfer to next map, this goes same as the first answer, didn't really knew how to do that, so I've left it so, also if I did change it to other, there would be plenty of reworking.

4. Chapters difficulty, I've seen plenty of games where difficulty is jumpy, and I don't really see reason to do rework here. And Chapter 12 is pretty easy when you know when to fall back, you can't hold those gates.

5. Yes, true it's pretty right foward going campaign, some more choises are in the later ones. But it's only the Beginning.

There's plenty of stuff that I disagree, but everyone has own opinions.

I'll see what changes I do, probably most of changes go to cinematic fading and moving and probably placing empty time before the cinematics for the skip.

I'll try to keep these feedback on my mind while doing the third one.

Cheers.

 

[PlankingWolf]

I'm okay with the protagonist as a unit. I've already played this, and watched this. Well, played it half-way through, and I watched the rest. Overall, it's a great campaign, and this gets my vote for approval. A 5/5.

 

[Shadow Fury]

I didn't doubt u would disagree in some points. And to save things from one level to another, use Game Cache (check the tutorials because I am also quite noob with these things) Maybe I feel Chapter 12 is hard because I played it once and u think it is easy because u r the creator so u know EVERYTHING about the map. Perhaps if I play that chapter more than once I'll find it easier than I think.

 

[Theeffi]

I didn't doubt u would disagree in some points. And to save things from one level to another, use Game Cache (check the tutorials because I am also quite noob with these things) Maybe I feel Chapter 12 is hard because I played it once and u think it is easy because u r the creator so u know EVERYTHING about the map. Perhaps if I play that chapter more than once I'll find it easier than I think.

Sure I am the creator, but it's not impossible. And Like in most of games, you wont win it with first time ^^.

But I think i'll change it slightly.

And I do know how to do the level change thing, there's continue for the campaign. Which has hero characters.

Small preview what I've planned to change.

Planned changes

Version 1.1.6
*General Changes
- Loading screen fixed.
- Permanent items will transferred from map to map. (ex. Claws of Attack +3)
*Chapter 4 Cinematic
- Fixed Loading screen not showing up.
*Chapter 11 - Cinematic.
- The chapter has been changed to cinematic.
*Chapter 11 ("Chapter 12")
- Gnolls stats lowered. (Damage, health, etc...)
- Food usage reduced from units to: Peasants(0), Priest (1), Sorceress (1), Knight (2)
- Farms Food Production increased to 7.
- Starting Gold and Lumber increased slightly.
- Small changes to last wave.
*Chapter 12 ("Chapter 13")
- Merged Credits and Chapter 13 together.

 

[Binsu]

Introduction

A campaign made by Theefi and about an aspiring Night Elves named as Aliza who wishes to travel the world. Some of my written notes and points here might be on Shadow's review already but please do bare with it.

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[tab][tabheader]Good Points:[/tabheader]
+ Terrain is good and maintains the warcraft-ish look in it. No need for realistic-ness on the quality. But can be improved by some chances though.

+ The campaign is very simple and easy though proves to be entertaining. Its story is like those adventurous stories about persons aspiring to venture out.[/tab]

[tab][tabheader]Bad Points:[/tabheader]
- Little grammar mistakes in the dialogues at cinematics. Some misses an "a" word or connecting or linking words. Some form of the words does not fit with how it is pronounced.

- On the quest where you are to rescue the Kids and Footmen in the Swamp, it displays on the quest log that we need to rescue 4 footmen but I was able to complete the chapter with only 2 footmen rescued. This can be a mistake on the tooltips or this quest requirement is optional of some sort.

- Spell tooltips could be more specific and also display the exact information needed for the players to know.

- Campaign lacks game caches to save items through Chapter progression[/tab]

[tab][tabheader]Suggestions:[/tabheader]
- As I have said, terrain is good but improvable by chances. Your terrain in most chapters as I saw is quite flat. You could try using the Raise/Lower/Noise/Smooth/Plateau Tool on the Terrain palette for this kinds of job. Terrain also lacks some doodads/destructibles in some maps or we can simply say empty. Fill them up with doodads/destructibles that is fitting to the terrain's theme.

- Fix the little issue about the tooltip error or maybe quest requirement error (can't say the exact problem) about rescuing 2 footmen. It displays 4 footmans instead of 2.

- Spell tooltips could be some sort of clear and exact. Do not forget to indicate the important information needed for the player to know like in the Hurling Dagger (I think that is the name of the very first skill that Aliza learns), it displays a brief description but does not display how many damage it deals and the spell's cooldown same applies to Firebolt.

- Add a game cache on the future update most likely allowing to save items to be saved and be used on the following chapters or preceeding chapters[/tab]

Rating: 2/5
State: Approvable

 

[Shadow Fury]

Hell Master, I am afraid there is a mistake in ur review. Yes, it says rescue 4 footmen BUT if u read the quest well, it says "At least 2 footmen must survive" or something like that so if u complete the level with 2 footmen, u win without any need of rescuing the rest! Also, u wrote 2/5 and rated 3. Fix that.

 

[Binsu]

I will fix it tomorrow. Its quite hard to work here on my phone. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

 

[Shadow Fury]

No problem

 

[Theeffi]

I will fix it tomorrow. Its quite hard to work here on my phone. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

It's okay, and it's like Shadow Fury said, only two footman are required to complete the mission. (swamp)

I try to get the new version ready this weekend, with some of fixes.

 

[-Kobas-]

Just from looking on those few screenshots I can see that map
quality isn't good for approval, and now only because I need
to check some user's work I must test something I don't like.

EDIT:

First of all difficulty option is disabled.
You should try to make game different so those experienced
players and players who enjoy challenge could test themselves
on harder difficulties.

Idea is fine nothing good or bad about it (if we exclude fact
that Aliza become super strong fighter in few days).

Few words will describe gameplay, it's short, empty, poorly made.
Story is here presented like some dialog between two 10 years
old people. Camera should never stand still, it's bad way of
presenting something. And I quit when rifleman suggested Aliza to
try magic because suddenly she can fight like professional and/or
assassin, just after few murlocks while professionally trained
soldiers had no chance in group against same enemies. I don't like
all those "heroes over night".

Terrain in general is overall done on very basic level. You should
more use rise and lower tool, especially in those swamps. Add some
special and lightning like doodads, use environment doodads more
often and try not to spam them 2 much on same spot (like you did
with shrubs between trees).

Aliza is purple skinned while all town folk are yellow (Also that one
guy who opened gate is high elf).

Presentation is decent, honestly I could suggest more screenshots,
some cool way of presenting spells, items, quests, NPC units and
so on. But it's good enough for approval. However things I don't like
are bad BB Code usage (for example Credits should not use hidden
tag for 2 lines of text) and Change log could be placed into 2nd
post/comment of yours and keep only latest update on main page
(1st post/comment).

You should use campaign object data instead creating same units
in all your maps. Same goes for imports and so on.

Campaign miss many things. Cool spells, different quests (add
optional quests as well that may take effect on story as well).
Special and unique systems are not presented, map miss many
features like items, a lot of items, what is gold used for, where
is experience or some other resource gain. You should try to
randomize gameplay, not make it straight forward because no
one will play it over and over again if there is nothing new to
explore.

Campaign is rejected and rated 1/5 (Unacceptable).

 

[Michael the Boombringer]

Very nice

 

[Gang zhaman]

I want to play the version you played on YouTube, where I can select ranged/close combat or magic.