Age discrimination

[HFR]

Hakeem's wall of text made me dizzy.

 

[Edhel-dur]

Wall of text

FALSE.

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I was a lot more naive yesterday than I am today. In some ways, you could say I was "stupider" then, or "smarter" now. This is every day of my life. But, unlike more people, there is no point in time at which I have been wrong.

See, I went through a perhaps different phase than most people. I believed children would do a better job at running the world. Yes, that is incorrect, but I was not wrong. I simply hadn't realized yet that it wasn't adults that were the problem. It was people all along. I wasn't wrong; I was just out of focus; my focus was too specific.

And then I ran out of time and had my train of thought hijacked so you had better reply to this so I can get back on track. >:V

Actually I agree with Hakeem. I don't think he is sarcastic or anything. He is just disecting and analyzing our points of view. Furthermore I agree that a lot of times teenagers think they have problems with adults, while truly they have problems with people.

Being an adult means you are legally responsible for yourself, and it does not always relate to being mature.

 

[MiniMage]

Furthermore I agree that a lot of times teenagers think they have problems with adults, while truly they have problems with people.

Being an adult means you are legally responsible for yourself, and it does not always relate to being mature.

Of course. Let's wrap this up with a saying, should we?
"Growing older is unavoidable, growing up is optional."

Should we close this now? XD

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

I'm 14, with a website, very helpful person.
Age doesn't matter. Maturity does.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The fact that a lot of teenagers are adults seems to be getting missed out a lot.

I am 19, a teenager, and an adult. I can vote, get a job at full pay and drive a car (if I obtain appropriate licence, machine and insurance).

 

[Malygos10]

First of all I wanna point out that I made this thread NOT because of my own feelings (no one cares) but because these things happen to some of my friends and some other guys I know. Second, I never said anything about parents being bad to their kids.

But back to my point: I mainly made this thread because I don't understand why these guys don't speak up.

P.S. I reposted this one because I didn't include the word "NOT" in the first sentence in the previous one (was trying to type something else there, probably got deleted and I didn't notce).

 

[MiniMage]

First of all I wanna point out that I made this thread NOT because of my own feelings (no one cares) but because these things happen to some of my friends and some other guys I know. Second, I never said anything about parents being bad to their kids.

But back to my point: I mainly made this thread because I don't understand why these guys don't speak up.

P.S. I reposted this one because I didn't include the word "NOT" in the first sentence in the previous one (was trying to type something else there, probably got deleted and I didn't notce).

You seem to like repeating yourself while others has explained the "problem" thoroughly already. Please stop repeating the question after the answer.
Edit: Ah, so they removed your comment and you posted it again, why? You've already received the answer. Why repost a question you've had answered?

 

[Magtheridon96]

I'm 14, with a website, very helpful person.
Age doesn't matter. Maturity does.

I laugh at you... HA.

 

[eubz]

Is there really a so called "Age discrimination"? You just feel it. Don't think about it and you'll not be discriminated.

 

[Stanakin]

Grow the fuck up and realize that when your father told you that it's not okay to drink at the age of 13 or smoke a joint instead of going to school he was right.

Smoking a joint is more useful than going to school, like practically everything else is. I learned next to nothing there.

And I'm an adult, so I'm right.

 

[Hoops]

Smoking a joint is more useful than going to school, like practically everything else is. I learned next to nothing there.

Good lord, the irony.

Hurp durp schul don't matter, gettin high does. Smoke weed errday!
I dint lern nuttin from schul iz ther fault not mine!

I wonder where you learned how to spell your sentence and use proper grammar and vocabulary use.

 

[Malygos10]

You seem to like repeating yourself while others has explained the "problem" thoroughly already. Please stop repeating the question after the answer.
Edit: Ah, so they removed your comment and you posted it again, why? You've already received the answer. Why repost a question you've had answered?

I deleted my comment myself and then reposted it fixed.I didn't edit because if people had already read it they wouldn't go back to read it again.

 

[MiniMage]

I deleted my comment myself and then reposted it fixed.I didn't edit because if people had already read it they wouldn't go back to read it again.

That's it, you owe me 50 bucks for the braincells destroyed by that statement. You break em' you buy em'.

 

[Malygos10]

That's it, you owe me 50 bucks for the braincells destroyed by that statement. You break em' you buy em'.

Don't read it if you don't get it.

 

[Stanakin]

Good lord, the irony.

Hurp durp schul don't matter, gettin high does. Smoke weed errday!
I dint lern nuttin from schul iz ther fault not mine!

I wonder where you learned how to spell your sentence and use proper grammar and vocabulary use.

Since the thread was about teenagers, it seemed kind of obvious to me I was not talking about primary school, where you do, in fact, learn lots of useful things.

About speaking and writing english, I could already do that before I ever got a class in it (in the Netherlands it starts when you're about thirteen years old), and the level of difficulty we got in the last year was still incredibly low.

I've never smoked weed myself, btw.

Also,

I was raised with spankings and paddlings, and am perfectly fine.

You are in the military and actually think you're doing something good. You are obviously not fine.

 

[MiniMage]

Don't read it if you don't get it.

Oh my various gods. Please explain the irony to this boy. Don't ask questions if you do not wish to hear an answer. Asking the question after being given the answer is not a sign of smart person.
What's making my braincells break isn't the complexity of your sentences, but the stupidity.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Smoke weed every day... ♫ ♫ ♫

 

[Hoops]

Since the thread was about teenagers, it seemed kind of obvious to me I was not talking about primary school, where you do, in fact, learn lots of useful things.

So what, you're saying that in highschool and college you don't learn anything of value?
We have not had these school systems for an incredibly long time without developing them the least bit.

Highschool further expands your knowledge of what you learned from elementary school. It will also allow you to choose some classes yourself, but I suppose that varies after the school and its location. Highschool will also prepare you for college.
Now, you just said yourself that what you learn in elementary school is important, whereas what you learn in highschool and college is not important at all, or that you don't really learn anything.
This implies that you mean that all humans need are elementary knowledge of the most basic subjects taught in school. So, a doctor will only need to know how to play the boardgame Operation?

It makes no sense. However, you may mean that these subjects are supposed to be taught by someone else than teachers in schools, like your parents, or that possibly you are supposed to learn all this from experience. This obviously makes no sense either.

So I wonder. Maybe you're only talking about college. That seems to be a rather popular opinion nowadays, that college is way too expensive and pointless. I agree at some degree. There are flaws with colleges today. Especially with today's job market, which leaves many with college education without jobs. However, that's the economy's problem; not the education's. College is there to allow you to choose what you want to learn, and experience a little what it is you want your profession in the near future to be. This is of course not at all pointless, as when you graduate from highschool it is very rare that the student will have planned his life out. Of course, you will also excel in the subject you choose to study in college, allowing you to contribute to society properly with a profession of choice.
College is also a social experience, and offers more than education in those turfs.

Excuse me for mistaking you for someone who smokes. You must understand it was easy to make this mistake.

 

[Stanakin]

College and primary school are both very useful. One for learning all the basic things you'll need in life, the other for learning a profession.

The school inbetween is pretty horrendous, though. Among the subjects we were taught were:
- German, Latin and French, which I have no use for,
- Dutch and English, which I could already speak and write rather well,
- Mathmetics, of which I've forgotten almost everything already,
- Biology, in which all we were ever taught was the workings of the human body, all the things I was interested in (ecology, zoology, the basic workings of life in general, etc.) were only briefly touched, if at all.
- History, in which we only learned about wars, famous people and dates, all of which hold no value to me. If we'd learned about everyday life and scientific and social break-throughs I would have been interested, but that we did not.
- Society Studies and Economics, in which everything we 'learned' was so obvious I couldn't take the subjects seriously.
- I could go on.

The only subjects that taught me some things I still find valueable are physics, chemistry and drawing. Though I could easily have obtained all the information provided by the school myself.

Almost every bit of knowledge I obtained during that period and still find useful I had to get from somewhere else.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Going to college is mostly a bad idea. The degrees are worth far less on average than those you obtain at universities. As there is already an abundance of university graduates you will almost never get a job with a college degree (outside of becomming a plumber or boiler inspector).

 

[Stanakin]

I don't know what the difference is between college and university, it's probably organized and called differently in my country.

 

[HFR]

And I thought college and university were the same thing...

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

College = 1-2 years after high school and before uni, that's how it is in USA, in other countries university is instead of a college and is four years. In the US some university majors require a completion of a certain college..

 

[Hakeem]

You're saying that in highschool and college you don't learn anything of value?

Well the other guy copped out, so I'll take up this one: Yes, that is what I am saying. (Sort of. :V)

I mean...

In highschool and college you don't learn anything of value.

True.
Mostly.
Technically:
False.

We have not had these school systems for an incredibly long time without developing them the least bit.

Sure we have. I don't see any reason we couldn't have entirely failed to improve education in the last, oh, half century? Supposing we did develop them the least bit, that's hardly significant if it's the least bit. Supposing it was significant, who's to say we did it right? Maybe, for all we've changed, we've gotten worse just as much as we've gotten better, in our eternal struggle to improve.

Actually, now that I think about it, this is, "Show it," all over again.

But it was peripheral to your point. Why would you bother explaining something that's apparent to everyone? Except it wasn't apparent to everyone. In fact, here's someone disagreeing right now. And now they're asking you to back it up. But they're not accusing you of arrogance or rudeness or anything like that. Really, they're just being pissy about the uselessness of meta. While, ironically, being meta, and having previously stated that the meta route was a valid response.

Highschool will also prepare you for college.

This aspect only has merit if there is merit in college.

More physically: These preparations are useless for those of us that will not go on to "higher education."

All humans need are elementary knowledge of the most basic subjects taught in school.

True.

A doctor will only need to know how to play the boardgame Operation.

False.

Realizing you'll make no effort to find a way that my above two assertions do not contradict each other: Notice that most of us aren't doctors.

You are supposed to learn all this from experience.

True.

This obviously makes no sense either.

False.

Careful what you call obvious. You are in the presence of other people.

More properly: Learning by experience is the natural way for humans to learn. The more I think about it, the more I question whether teaching by assertion is a valid approach for human learning. This concern of mine grows the more I look at how we teach. This concern of mine undermines vast sections of the "education" system that you consider to be so refined.

That's the economy's problem; not the education's.

False.

(Again, chapter unto itself, but a bit too OT. Again, I invite you to chat, and I'll totally try to not be asleep/AFK this time. Dx)

You must understand it was easy to make this mistake.

Is someone attempting to alleviate themselves of blame? ;D

The only subjects that taught me some things I still find valuable are physics, chemistry and drawing.

Hardly. Interesting, sure. But useful?

 

[MiniMage]

So I wonder. Maybe you're only talking about college. That seems to be a rather popular opinion nowadays, that college is way too expensive and pointless. I agree at some degree. There are flaws with colleges today. Especially with today's job market, which leaves many with college education without jobs. However, that's the economy's problem; not the education's. College is there to allow you to choose what you want to learn, and experience a little what it is you want your profession in the near future to be. This is of course not at all pointless, as when you graduate from highschool it is very rare that the student will have planned his life out. Of course, you will also excel in the subject you choose to study in college, allowing you to contribute to society properly with a profession of choice.
College is also a social experience, and offers more than education in those turfs.

Excuse me for mistaking you for someone who smokes. You must understand it was easy to make this mistake.

Well, expensive? That one only applies to the American education system then. Wait, scratch that. Anyhow, not only is the Swedish equivalent to college/university free, we get paid.

 

[EloTheMan]

There is a guy in the Swedish parliamentary who was 18 years old at the time he joined it.

Isn't it possible that most "age discriminations" are just coincidences or simply related to inexperience in younger people?

 

[Dr Super Good]

Isn't it possible that most "age discriminations" are just coincidences or simply related to inexperience in younger people?

Someone has not looked at the payment laws in the UK. Until you are 18 (an adult) you are not allowed to really work. You can still do some work but you are limited in hours (less than an adult) and have a much lower minimum wage (many pounds an hour lower). There are also restrictions on the type of work that can be done.

The only reason the hours of work and type of jobs are restricted is to stop people being able to exploit child labour and forgo with almost all adult employment (as adults cost more).

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

I laugh at you... HA.

Not funny.

Smoke weed every day... ♫ ♫ ♫

Well, expensive? That one only applies to the American education system then. Wait, scratch that. Anyhow, not only is the Swedish equivalent to college/university free, we get paid.

Most countries, you need to pay to get education.

There is a guy in the Swedish parliamentary who was 18 years old at the time he joined it.

Isn't it possible that most "age discriminations" are just coincidences or simply related to inexperience in younger people?

If there's age discrimination, it definitely have nothing to do with education.
Education is fair, you work hard, you learn, and when you learn, you can be paid to apply something you've learnt.

Someone has not looked at the payment laws in the UK. Until you are 18 (an adult) you are not allowed to really work. You can still do some work but you are limited in hours (less than an adult) and have a much lower minimum wage (many pounds an hour lower). There are also restrictions on the type of work that can be done.

The only reason the hours of work and type of jobs are restricted is to stop people being able to exploit child labour and forgo with almost all adult employment (as adults cost more).

Laws in Singapore is using UK laws as well, it's called part time job.
And as far as I know, it is 16, not 18.
Part time job have limited hours, but you can take up multiple part time jobs, (I think). A full time job is paid more than a part time job as you said. And yes, it's to stop people from exploiting child labour, but not only that, it is also to encourage parents to give children education to their best. You can only start Part time jobs at the age of 13. (After completing Primary school education) Some poor people leave education after primary school and do multiple part time jobs to support their family.

 

[Narrat0r]

I'm 15, and I don't think anyone ever discriminated me for it -_-
However, 12-year-old rep wh*res get a lot of hate... for some reason.

 

[MiniMage]

Most countries, you need to pay to get education.

Which is one of the awesome things about Sweden. ;D

 

[Edhel-dur]

Which is one of the awesome things about Sweden. ;D

Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland too right?

 

[MiniMage]

Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland too right?

I'm not sure about Finland or Denmark, but I'd assume Norway has it.