2P Archon Bonus Campaign Founding of Durotar

[tulee]

It is a nice idea, but there are several reasons why aceheart's system cannot work as a save system for this kind of a 2 player campaign.

1) How are you stopping duplicating items / tomes (by reentering a zone and just farming the same creeps)
2) How are you saving quests with the system (if it meant restarting a quest from the beginning everytime you play, it would mean 2 players needing 4-5 hours to complete the whole act, but that is only a small problem because if the quests are not saved, then the Main quests that require you to travel to sub-maps (like Act 1 Requiring you to go the echo isles) will never be able to be completed since when you reenter a map in theory it will be reset and ask you you to go back to the subzone)

Of course I do not mean to discourage you from what you are doing, but the only realistic way to have worked this is by having all the maps in one, which requires blizzard to increase the maximum size of map (in terms of boundary, not megabyte) and increasing the tile-set limit (For the first act it would need sunken ruins, barrens, underground, felwood (the quilboar area) ect.


Edit1: Ok I see the code also saves the quests. That must have taken so much time to do. Good job if you actually got it to work.

 

[Xetanth87]

It is a nice idea, but there are several reasons why aceheart's system cannot work as a save system for this kind of a 2 player campaign.

1) How are you stopping duplicating items / tomes (by reentering a zone and just farming the same creeps)
2) How are you saving quests with the system (if it meant restarting a quest from the beginning everytime you play, it would mean 2 players needing 4-5 hours to complete the whole act, but that is only a small problem because if the quests are not saved, then the Main quests that require you to travel to sub-maps (like Act 1 Requiring you to go the echo isles) will never be able to be completed since when you reenter a map in theory it will be reset and ask you you to go back to the subzone)

Of course I do not mean to discourage you from what you are doing, but the only realistic way to have worked this is by having all the maps in one, which requires blizzard to increase the maximum size of map (in terms of boundary, not megabyte) and increasing the tile-set limit (For the first act it would need sunken ruins, barrens, underground, felwood (the quilboar area) ect.

1) Every time you leave an area you save the game. Like Durotar, you save it as A1Durotar (F10 menu -> Save Game). When you go back to Durotar, you create a game from the save A1Durotar (or in singleplayer just load the save from the Main Menu). When you load the save the map will be exacltly how you left it. (Because that's how Warcraft III save function works).
2) Saving quests was easy. If you check the default map from the mpq, you will see that Blizzard saves quests in integers and booleans. I saved integers as values in the code and the booleans a integers 1 for True and 0 for False. Blizzard already created triggers like Sync Quests and Update Quests, so I only had to set the integers and booleans before running the Sync Quests and it worked.

The only exploit is if you don't use the codes from the intended text file.
If you want to know what each code does:
Rexxar's code saves Rexxar xp, inventory, tomes, abilities, bonus skill points and if Rokhan/Chen/Cairne are enabled.
Other heroes' codes save xp, inventory, tomes, abilities, bonus skill points.
Additional Data saves stash inventory (only when finishing the whole act), difficulty, gold, lumber, quest integers and booleans.

 

[tulee]

1) Every time you leave an area you save the game. Like Durotar, you save it as A1Durotar (F10 menu -> Save Game). When you go back to Durotar, you create a game from the save A1Durotar (or in singleplayer just load the save from the Main Menu). When you load the save the map will be exacltly how you left it. (Because that's how Warcraft III save function works).
2) Saving quests was easy. If you check the default map from the mpq, you will see that Blizzard saves quests in integers and booleans. I saved integers as values in the code and the booleans a integers 1 for True and 0 for False. Blizzard already created triggers like Sync Quests and Update Quests, so I only had to set the integers and booleans before running the Sync Quests and it worked.

The only exploit is if you don't use the codes from the intended text file.
If you want to know what each code does:
Rexxar's code saves Rexxar xp, inventory, tomes, abilities, bonus skill points and if Rokhan/Chen/Cairne are enabled.
Other heroes' codes save xp, inventory, tomes, abilities, bonus skill points.
Additional Data saves stash inventory (only when finishing the whole act), difficulty, gold, lumber, quest integers and booleans.

That is really impressive Alex. I should not have been so dismissive when I initially saw you post this. That is pretty awesome that you did this. When I saw your initial post in the 2player forum months ago, I thought it was a joke suggestion. You might complete the 2player campaign series, since all the other campaigns already have 2p versions on hive!

 

[Xetanth87]

That is really impressive Alex. I should not have been so dismissive when I initially saw you post this. That is pretty awesome that you did this. When I saw your initial post in the 2player forum months ago, I thought it was a joke suggestion. You might complete the 2player campaign series, since all the other campaigns already have 2p versions on hive!

I'm gonna take a break for now. Act 2 has even more maps in it. The most annoying thing is making cinematics work for P2 (cameras and skipping). It takes a while. I think this act took me about a week.

 

[tulee]

I'm gonna take a break for now. Act 2 has even more maps in it. The most annoying thing is making cinematics work for P2 (cameras and skipping). It takes a while. I think this act took me about a week.

Only a week? My goodness you work fast.

 

[Xetanth87]

Only a week? My goodness you work fast.

I spent a lot of hours making this in those 7-8 days.

 

[Xetanth87]

I realized images are set to private. I will fix them when I can.
Edit: Fixed

 

[Daffa]

I'm thinking with the potential of using local files to use codeless save load. This gonna be a pain at this rate.

 

[Xetanth87]

I'm thinking with the potential of using local files to use codeless save load.

It's painful if you are playing Fullscreen. Try to play in Windowed Fullscreen because alt-tabbing is faster. I don't know any other way to do it. I can't make it into a single code, because it would be too long for the chat. I even changed "-load " to "-l " to make space for more characters.

This gonna be a pain at this rate.

Have you started playing it?

 

[Daffa]

Not really, still doing other 2P at the moment.

 

[Xetanth87]

I have found a couple of bugs and I will update the maps after I fix them.

Update: Fixed Maps. Codes are the same, but if you already started the campaign you can't replace the maps and continue since saves will no longer work. The new maps are those with OrcX***V1.w3x. (added V1 for fixed maps)

 

[Xetanth87]

Update: Found more issues and fixed them: Text File no longer has line breaks so more codes can fit. Old codes still work, but use the new maps: V1.5

 

[tulee]

Hi Alex, I played it with my friend tonight. Everything worked fine for saving from Durotar to the goblin tunnels.
I was just wondering, why do you say you must save the game with f10. We just hosted the maps from a bot, and it worked fine. I have not gone back to Durotar yet, so maybe something might happen if I do not load from f10, but I just was wondering why it is even necessary.

 

[Xetanth87]

Hi Alex, I played it with my friend tonight. Everything worked fine for saving from Durotar to the goblin tunnels.
I was just wondering, why do you say you must save the game with f10. We just hosted the maps from a bot, and it worked fine. I have not gone back to Durotar yet, so maybe something might happen if I do not load from f10, but I just was wondering why it is even necessary.

If you don't save and start a new game, you will begin at the start with Rexxar lvl 1 no items no levels and the game will ask you for difficulty (then Mogrin Cinematic etc., It's like you are playing it for the first time again). If you save and load, you will be at the entrance to the mine. And if you completed the quest while inside, you will have the quest completed when you get out.

 

[tulee]

Hi Alex.

I understand how if you start a new game on Durotar1, it will assume you are just starting. I just have a few more questions about the save, just so I don't make a mistake and end up losing my save data.

For the submaps (everything except Durotar1), do we still need to save the game with f10? Since it cannot assume we are just starting a new game if its a submap, if we just create a game (for example "Tunnels") and not load the f10 save, will everything work ok?

For "Durotar1", if we lose our save files, then can we in theory just create a random game of Durotar1, move to the entrance of the place we are coming out of (for example, if we just finished "Tunnels", then we move to the entrance of the tunnels cave) and just save the game there. Then can we load that save, but use our codes from the tunnels region?

Basically I am trying to ask these questions because while it is ok for us to keep the save codes, it is complicated to keep the save files themselves (especially for people who often need to use internet cafes). So I am trying to understand if there are ways to avoid needing to keep the f10 saves on the computer.

Also, if you are using Kilmaat's system, I am assuming every code-save will destroy the previous one, since it will automatically create the name of the region and destroy any previous file with the same name?

 

[Xetanth87]

Hi Alex.

I understand how if you start a new game on Durotar1, it will assume you are just starting. I just have a few more questions about the save, just so I don't make a mistake and end up losing my save data.

For the submaps (everything except Durotar1), do we still need to save the game with f10? Since it cannot assume we are just starting a new game if its a submap, if we just create a game (for example "Tunnels") and not load the f10 save, will everything work ok?

For "Durotar1", if we lose our save files, then can we in theory just create a random game of Durotar1, move to the entrance of the place we are coming out of (for example, if we just finished "Tunnels", then we move to the entrance of the tunnels cave) and just save the game there. Then can we load that save, but use our codes from the tunnels region?

Basically I am trying to ask these questions because while it is ok for us to keep the save codes, it is complicated to keep the save files themselves (especially for people who often need to use internet cafes). So I am trying to understand if there are ways to avoid needing to keep the f10 saves on the computer.

Also, if you are using Kilmaat's system, I am assuming every code-save will destroy the previous one, since it will automatically create the name of the region and destroy any previous file with the same name?

you need to save. if you don't the items on the ground will reset and you can pick the same tome a thousand times if you start the game over and over. If you go from durotar to tunnels it will save as A1DurotarToTunnels, if you go in reverse it saves as A1TunnelsToDurotar. If you go to tunnels again it replaces the first file A1DurotarToTunnels.

Also do not do Chen's Quest. It will break the save system on maps with V1.5 or older. I will release V1.6 that fixes this.

 

[tulee]

Ok, so just to confirm, if I am in the tunnels, and I want go back to Durotar, I first save the game in the tunnels. Then I load the f10 save from when I was in durotar, and use the codes for the heroes. So my question is, if I want to go back to the tunnels, I save durotar, then I load the last f10 save in the tunnels? So basically what I am saying is, after the first time we play each map (durotar, tunnels, ect) is every single time we play a map we have already encountered we must load the f10 save?

And last question, does the f10 save name matter? Or can we name it anything as long as we know what it is.

Thanks Alex!

 

[Xetanth87]

Ok, so just to confirm, if I am in the tunnels, and I want go back to Durotar, I first save the game in the tunnels. Then I load the f10 save from when I was in durotar, and use the codes for the heroes. So my question is, if I want to go back to the tunnels, I save durotar, then I load the last f10 save in the tunnels? So basically what I am saying is, after the first time we play each map (durotar, tunnels, ect) is every single time we play a map we have already encountered we must load the f10 save?

And last question, does the f10 save name matter? Or can we name it anything as long as we know what it is.

Thanks Alex!

1) The in game message tells you that you need to load the game and if it doesn't exist create a new one.
First time => Create a new game
Second time onward => Load the save game
2) You can save with whatever names you want, but be careful not to confuse them.

 

[deepstrasz]

Seems rather complicated and annoying. Can't you just leave the save codes or the normal saves instead of both?

 

[Xetanth87]

Seems rather complicated and annoying. Can't you just leave the save codes or the normal saves instead of both?

Nope. I'm afraid it's the only way. It's not that hard once you get used to it. You need normal saves to save the map states and you need save codes to transfer data from map to map. Unless there is a way for the game to read the text files without you needing to copy them, which I don't know about.

 

[deepstrasz]

Nope. I'm afraid it's the only way. It's not that hard once you get used to it. You need normal saves to save the map states and you need save codes to transfer data from map to map. Unless there is a way for the game to read the text files without you needing to copy them, which I don't know about.

What about an autosave system when you reach the end of a map (transition zone)? Basically a dialog box pops up and asks you if you want to finish the level and then the game is automatically saved and you get the codes. This will save players the annoyance of doing it themselves and risking not saving because of forgetting?

 

[Xetanth87]

What about an autosave system when you reach the end of a map (transition zone)? Basically a dialog box pops up and asks you if you want to finish the level and then the game is automatically saved and you get the codes. This will save players the annoyance of doing it themselves and risking not saving because of forgetting?

When I commented I was thinking: Is it possible for the Map to read a notepad? And now I think that I should leave the Saving/Loading of Codes as is. What I can change is make the map auto-save. Is it possible to save the game with triggers in multiplayer/lan?

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Update: I have found why some codes couldn't be saved after getting Chen. The preload function had a 259 character limit. Now I have changed the script and the codes will save correctly in V1.7.

 

[deepstrasz]

Is it possible to save the game with triggers in multiplayer/lan?

Codeless Save and Load (Multiplayer) - v2.0.0
You could ask @TriggerHappy for more.

 

[Xetanth87]

Codeless Save and Load (Multiplayer) - v2.0.0
You could ask @TriggerHappy for more.

I will check that later. I asked if I can make the game use the F10->Save Game function in multiplayer/lan

 

[deepstrasz]

I will check that later. I asked if I can make the game use the F10->Save Game function

I'm not sure you simply can that's why I suggested you ask that user about it.

 

[Xetanth87]

I'm not sure you simply can that's why I suggested you ask that user about it.

That system saves Heroes and Items. I already have that. I need to know if I can use Game - Save Game to save in multiplayer.

 

[Kilmaat]

I would be interested in knowing if it is possible for the game to 'read' a text file, this would change everything for multiplayer rpg maps.

edit. Wow that codeless system actually works!

 

[Xetanth87]

I would be interested in knowing if it is possible for the game to 'read' a text file, this would change everything for multiplayer rpg maps.

If it is impossible it would be great if blizzard could add a function for it.

Blizzard may have intentionally has left this out for the same reason game caches don't work in multiplayer, they don't want maps to be able to read from peoples computers for security reasons.

you can read it using the Codeless Save/Load deepstrasz mentioned, but I don't use it since I find it too complicated. What I hope blizzard adds is triggers for:
1) Save a multiplayer game with name x for player y
2) Set number of multiplayer saves to x for player y

 

[Xetanth87]

Quick Fix Update: Use V1.71 for OrcXA1Den. V1.7 doesn't work on multiplayer, the game tells you there are no enemies.

 

[tulee]

If the codeless save doesn't work alex, then it shouldn't be a big problem. I know some players might be confused at first because they not used to saving a map with f10 + the code, but once they understand the reasoning behind it, I am sure they will understand.

I still think you did an amazing job with this! Looking forward to act II and III.


Edit: It is actually funny you made this, because I remember annoying Kilmaat because I was trying to convince him to make the Rexxar campaign 2-player mode, but he said no.

 

[Xetanth87]

If the codeless save doesn't work alex, then it shouldn't be a big problem. I know some players might be confused at first because they not used to saving a map with f10 + the code, but once they understand the reasoning behind it, I am sure they will understand.

I still think you did an amazing job with this! Looking forward to act II and III.


Edit: It is actually funny you made this, because I remember annoying Kilmaat because I was trying to convince him to make the Rexxar campaign 2-player mode, but he said no.

The system is not complicated, but for some it seems it's more difficult to understand. If you want you can give me tips on how to improve my explanation in this post, to make it clear for everyone. I want to play the first act to make sure everything works ok and then I will start working on act II. In the newest release I have found only one bug (Drek'Thar is hostile at first on map Thunder.) and I will fix it in patch V1.71 for that map.

 

[tulee]

Well, maybe you can add something like this or a variation of it to the map description:

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When you play a map for the first time (Durotar, Tunnels, Den, Echo Isles, Thunder) you can just create it/host it. Remember though, from the 2nd time onwards when you play that map, you must load the f10 save you created before you left that zone for another zone. The reason for this is the text-based code only saves your heroes, gold, quests etc. But it cannot save things such as what parts of the map you have explored or if non revival creeps on that map have been killed or not. As you may know, most creeps in the Rexxar campaign revive, but the ones that drop special items such as tomes or artefacts will not respawn. The f10 save ensures that the non-spawnable creeps you have killed are removed from the game.

So to put it simply--- if you do not care about vision/revival creeps, you can just create a new game every time. But if you want the map to be saved (not your heroes- that is from the code you get in the text file), you need to "load" the f10 save of that map. So you do not need to necessarily keep every single f10 save- you can delete the old ones, as you only need the most recent f10 save on that particular map.
Naming the f10 saves "A1Durotar" or "A1Tunnels" etc. is not necessary--- it is only recommended you use those names so as to not confuse the saves with the saves from other maps.


~~~

 

[Xetanth87]

So to put it simply--- if you do not care about vision/revival creeps, you can just create a new game every time. But if you want the map to be saved (not your heroes- that is from the code you get in the text file), you need to "load" the f10 save of that map. So you do not need to necessarily keep every single f10 save- you can delete the old ones, as you only need the most recent f10 save on that particular map.
~~~

Well that's not entirely true. If you dont save and load some quests might not work properly and items will be present on the map even if you took them. It is impossible to play without saving.

 

[deepstrasz]

Well that's not entirely true. If you dont save and load some quests might not work properly and items will be present on the map even if you took them. It is impossible to play without saving.

From what I remember @Warseeker only uses save codes for his Rexxar type campaign to save everything, even vision.

 

[Warseeker]

From what I remember @Warseeker only uses save codes for his Rexxar type campaign to save everything, even vision.

The transition among the campaign maps could work on normal maps too if you set the correct path, but I'm not so sure if that works on multiplayer though...

 

[tulee]

Ok, so I finally beat this today with my friend. The entire campaign works fine, it was a lot of fun.

Some issues I encountered-

During the first 2-3 cinematics, Rexxar and his bear misha seemed confused as to where to face. They would turn around to the wrong place (facing), and then turn around to the correct place half way through conversations. It was subtle though, and only for the first 2-3 cinematics.

I cannot "A" attack with the wards Rokhan creates (not sure if that is normal in the original campaign).

The roar spell on the Rexxar Wyvern had no cooldown.

There was a subtle error with loading rokhan's spells. When I entered Thunder-ridge for the second time for the 2nd part of the lizzard quest, it removed 1 hero ability from my hero (Rokhan). It returned when I went from Durotar to echo islands, but when i left echo islands it disappeared again. It is only a very small issue, I almost missed it completely, except it took away my ultimate so it caught my attention. Could it have been from the extra hero point gained by completing the optional quest to kill all the quilboar in the "Den" map?

Since I was not controlling rexxar, and I did not ask my friend, I am not sure about him.

Like I said, very small issue, everything else worked fine.

Looking forward to act 2 and 3!


Keep in mind that we did things we thought would avoid any possible bugs, I am not sure how the game would play out if we did not do the things below.

We did not skip cinematics except for one, so I cannot say how skipping affects the game.

I never let any named units you get short possession of die-- Such as Drek'Thar, or Nazgrel.

I always killed friendly units you get control of so the only units you have are your heroes + summons (not including named units of course).

So all the rescued units (like the shaman), the troll headhunters, I killed them all incase of any bugs.

 

[Xetanth87]

Ok, so I finally beat this today with my friend. The entire campaign works fine, it was a lot of fun.

Some issues I encountered-

During the first 2-3 cinematics, Rexxar and his bear misha seemed confused as to where to face. They would turn around to the wrong place (facing), and then turn around to the correct place half way through conversations. It was subtle though, and only for the first 2-3 cinematics.

I cannot "A" attack with the wards Rokhan creates (not sure if that is normal in the original campaign).

The roar spell on the Rexxar Wyvern had no cooldown.

There was a subtle error with loading rokhan's spells. When I entered Thunder-ridge for the second time for the 2nd part of the lizzard quest, it removed 1 hero ability from my hero (Rokhan). It returned when I went from Durotar to echo islands, but when i left echo islands it disappeared again. It is only a very small issue, I almost missed it completely, except it took away my ultimate so it caught my attention. Could it have been from the extra hero point gained by completing the optional quest to kill all the quilboar in the "Den" map?

Since I was not controlling rexxar, and I did not ask my friend, I am not sure about him.

Like I said, very small issue, everything else worked fine.

Looking forward to act 2 and 3!


Keep in mind that we did things we thought would avoid any possible bugs, I am not sure how the game would play out if we did not do the things below.

We did not skip cinematics except for one, so I cannot say how skipping affects the game.

I never let any named units you get short possession of die-- Such as Drek'Thar, or Nazgrel.

I always killed friendly units you get control of so the only units you have are your heroes + summons (not including named units of course).

So all the rescued units (like the shaman), the troll headhunters, I killed them all incase of any bugs.

The wards and roar work as intended, I did not change them. Probably forgot to code in the bonus points for the Durotar map. Will look into the bugs when I can.

I have started Act 2, but I won't finish it any time soon. When Act 2 comes out you will be able to use the codes provided by this playthrough, and will not have to replay the first act.

 

[tulee]

The wards and roar work as intended, I did not change them. Probably forgot to code in the bonus points for the Durotar map. Will look into the bugs when I can.

I have started Act 2, but I won't finish it any time soon. When Act 2 comes out you will be able to use the codes provided by this playthrough, and will not have to replay the first act.

Thats great news!
I did not know about the wards/roar--- Sometimes I forget blizzard left some issues themselves in the original campaigns.

Yea, we got the codes for Act II. Playing this campaign coop with a friend was actually really fun. I wish more creators would consider making their campaigns in a coop style/ 2 player mode. It really does maximise the fun when you can experience a campaign with a friend.

 

[Atshiel]

Thats great news!
I wish more creators would consider making their campaigns in a coop style/ 2 player mode. It really does maximise the fun when you can experience a campaign with a friend.

Agree, I would love to play so many campaigns with a friend of mine, that's one thing that makes this game still fun.

 

[Xetanth87]

Agree, I would love to play so many campaigns with a friend of mine, that's one thing that makes this game still fun.

I agree too, but there should be an actual single player version too, without save codes.

 

[Xetanth87]

@tulee have you finished it with the latest version? I have tried going from echo isles to durotar and I did not lose any points. Also I haven't seen any weird behavior in cinematics. Can you tell me which characters and in which cinematics they were not working as intended?

 

[deepstrasz]

Approved based on tulee's comments.
I hope we'll get to see the whole Founding of Durotar for two players.

 

[SLICED]

Hi !

I must say, I am impressed by the work you put in this project cause it surely took a lot of cleverness and time

I really want to play with my friend through this whole campaign.. but we have a lil' problem...

After we did the tunnels quest we went into the transition zone next to the cave opening.. saved game as A1Tunnels. We exited the game, hosted another one on the save file A1Durotar, the save we made before we went into the tunnels. After we got into the map, the colour text was displayed. I entered in the chat "-loadstart", then it asked me to load the code for Rexxar from the last level played. I went into the notepad file "A1TunnelsToDurotar", copied the Rexxar code and entered it in the chat. Thing is.. nothing was displayed. It didn't say "Decoding successful" and it definetely didn't ask us to load the other codes (for Rokhan and AdditionalData). This is a very big issue considering the fact that we basically don't progress at all.. the only code that worked for Rexxar was the one from "A1DurotarToTunnels" but of course, that's an old one.

Can you please help me ? Me and my friend really want to play this campaign, we both really enjoy it

Here's the notepad with the codes from the tunnels.. might be helpful idk :

 

[Xetanth87]

Hi !

I must say, I am impressed by the work you put in this project cause it surely took a lot of cleverness and time

I really want to play with my friend through this whole campaign.. but we have a lil' problem...

After we did the tunnels quest we went into the transition zone next to the cave opening.. saved game as A1Tunnels. We exited the game, hosted another one on the save file A1Durotar, the save we made before we went into the tunnels. After we got into the map, the colour text was displayed. I entered in the chat "-loadstart", then it asked me to load the code for Rexxar from the last level played. I went into the notepad file "A1TunnelsToDurotar", copied the Rexxar code and entered it in the chat. Thing is.. nothing was displayed. It didn't say "Decoding successful" and it definetely didn't ask us to load the other codes (for Rokhan and AdditionalData). This is a very big issue considering the fact that we basically don't progress at all.. the only code that worked for Rexxar was the one from "A1DurotarToTunnels" but of course, that's an old one.

Can you please help me ? Me and my friend really want to play this campaign, we both really enjoy it

Here's the notepad with the codes from the tunnels.. might be helpful idk :

Did you copy it as "Rexxar-l IHpm......" or just the "-l IHpm......"? You need to copy it starting with -l

 

[SLICED]

Did you copy it as "Rexxar-l IHpm......" or just the "-l IHpm......"? You need to copy it starting with -l

I did copy it as "-l IHpm....." and it didn't work

 

[Kieran95]

Is this still being worked on?? I would love to see this finished through, such a great campaign to play. Really good work with what you done so far!

 

[Xetanth87]

Is this still being worked on?? I would love to see this finished through, such a great campaign to play. Really good work with what you done so far!

I started working on Act 2 but I am not sure when I will continue it. I am quite busy at the moment

 

[Kieran95]

I started working on Act 2 but I am not sure when I will continue it. I am quite busy at the moment

Understandable I did the blood elf one myself for me and a friend. The time you spend editing triggers to make them function for a 2nd player is a lot, not counting the other stuff required!

Wish you best of luck whenever you can get round to it!

 

[Tutko]

Understandable I did the blood elf one myself for me and a friend. The time you spend editing triggers to make them function for a 2nd player is a lot, not counting the other stuff required!

Wish you best of luck whenever you can get round to it!

Could you perhaps upload that 2P blood elf campaign? There is one already but it's meh. Developer added a lot of custom stuff that makes no sense and a lot of things are different from original