YouTube age restrictions can be bypassed?

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On MyPal / New Moon 27.8.1, age-restricted YouTube videos can be viewed nonetheless, when they are embedded inside a post.

Is it a bug, or is it a feature?


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gry51PjxQOE
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/posts/3247310/

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I remember when YouTube basically just came out, I had to lie about my age to view the age-restricted material. Kinda makes me feel old.
 
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Wow, look, I can copy-paste the embed link and it magically works without age restriction, because it has nothing to do with the Hive...

As to your other point, see Am I legally liable for user generated content and comments?
Unless you think every site is/should run like YouTube which monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas (it starts with what is legal, history shows it never ends there).
 
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It might be an issue with third party cookies in your browser. Some browsers have third party cookies disabled. This means that an embedded YouTube page on Hive would show up as you not being logged in, however when you visit YouTube directly, you are logged in. To allow people to ever be able to view age restricted content, they have to allow viewing for all because they won't show up as logged in on every embed there is.
 

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[...] Nothing prevents you from putting age 30 as a 10 year old to view any youtube content.
Pretty sure I am 5 years older than my actual age on youtube for that reason, not bothered to change it.. I think
I remember when YouTube basically just came out, I had to lie about my age to view the age-restricted material. Kinda makes me feel old.
[...] Small sample size, but honestly do people honestly use the system properly anyway?
Whatever a kid / teenager does is his / her parents' responsibility.

About age-restricted content on YouTube:
Age-restricted content - YouTube Help

About age requirements on Google Accounts:
Age requirements on Google Accounts - Google Account Help

Likewise, there is a minimum age required to become a member of THW.

Maybe I am ignorant here, but I have never had a friend that has told me that he could not watch an linked video because it was age restricted.
Small sample size, but honestly do people honestly use the system properly anyway?
If they are internet friends, then maybe they are old enough to watch any kind of content on YouTube, plus they also have a Google Account? Or maybe they are using an embed link to view age-restricted content on YouTube?

Wow, look, I can copy-paste the embed link and it magically works without age restriction, because it has nothing to do with the Hive... [...]
Haha, it works indeed.

If it works on any PC configuration, then it means that:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gry51PjxQOE => age restriction applies on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gry51PjxQOE => age restriction does not apply on YouTube (!)

I am now guessing that this behavior with age-restricted videos is by design, so that other sites are free to enforce their own policies regarding viewing such contents stored on the YouTube servers.

[...] As to your other point, see Am I legally liable for user generated content and comments?
Unless you think every site is/should run like YouTube which monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas (it starts with what is legal, history shows it never ends there).
I have read the page, and also the other one on the site of Mr. Eric Goldman.
Website Provider Liability for User Content and Actions – Eric Goldman

The subjects covered by the article from Cooley Godward’s Information Technology Group deal with:
- intellectual property infringement (copyright and trademark)
- defamation and other "Publisher/Speaker" torts
- obscenity and child pornography
- other claims

Now, I am personally unable to link any of them to the enforcement (or not) of age-restrictions from a third-party site on another site.


A word or two about that "YouTube which monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas" thing:

The video that I linked to in the OP has been age-restricted, based on Community Guidelines:
Policies - YouTube
... meaning either it was because at least one user reported this video, or maybe it was the uploader itself who put an age restriction on it in the first place. I am guessing that at least one user reported it, possibly based on this:
Violent or graphic content policies - YouTube Help

Other uploads of the same video (or of its contents) can be found under other names on YouTube. These other uploads are not age-restricted afaik. So much for YouTube (supposedly) monitoring everything and filtering whatever it wants.

The YouTube policies are here:
Policies, reporting, and enforcement - YouTube Help

It might be an issue with third party cookies in your browser. Some browsers have third party cookies disabled. This means that an embedded YouTube page on Hive would show up as you not being logged in, however when you visit YouTube directly, you are logged in. To allow people to ever be able to view age restricted content, they have to allow viewing for all because they won't show up as logged in on every embed there is.
By personal choice, I do not want a Google Account in the first place. Therefore, the age restriction works as intended on YouTube for me.

The fact that no age restriction applies to (any?) embed links, as @GhostWolf rightfully pointed out, seems very much to be by design. Meaning it is not a flaw on THW's side, as I had initially feared. Hence the reason I created this thread; because I was able to watch an age-restricted content without a Google Account, and I mistakenly thought it was related to something on our web site.

Therefore, the only restrictions that would apply on THW's side are the ones already covered by our own Site Rules.

For the record, I indeed have third-party cookies disabled in all my browsers. As with enabling DNT, this is imho part of the proper setup of any web browser.
 

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We can't really apply restrictions as I don't think there's an easy way to be told by YT that the embed is age restricted. They could expand on the link by adding &age_restriction=1 to default to not playing things that are age restricted. Anyway, it's minor IMO and I agree it's for us to enforce.
 
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The subjects covered by the article from Cooley Godward’s Information Technology Group deal with:
- intellectual property infringement (copyright and trademark)
- defamation and other "Publisher/Speaker" torts
- obscenity and child pornography
- other claims

Now, I am personally unable to link any of them to the enforcement (or not) of age-restrictions from a third-party site on another site.


A word or two about that "YouTube which monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas" thing:

The video that I linked to in the OP has been age-restricted, based on Community Guidelines:
Policies - YouTube
... meaning either it was because at least one user reported this video, or maybe it was the uploader itself who put an age restriction on it in the first place. I am guessing that at least one user reported it, possibly based on this:
Violent or graphic content policies - YouTube Help

Other uploads of the same video (or of its contents) can be found under other names on YouTube. These other uploads are not age-restricted afaik. So much for YouTube (supposedly) monitoring everything and filtering whatever it wants.

The YouTube policies are here:
Policies, reporting, and enforcement - YouTube Help

The point is you are not legally responsible for user content you don't know about, so unless Ralle is Google and gives the power to abuse DMCAs to the users, you have to prove that he intentionally allowed for anything illegal to preside.
Indeed, it would be ridiculous to even suggest a webmaster of a big site can filter and monitor everything.
Apply the same to any kind of online service with user content, like chats, and think logically if the owner of the service is liable for his users' content.

Everything you wrote later comes to play with exactly what I wrote - DMCA abuses. Aka the law you are so in favor of is designed for abuse, and indeed abuse of it is directly supported by Google, by actions if not words, although we have seen enough of their words too lately, and how completely subjective and corrupt they are as a company.
A video being marked as anything on YouTube tells you nothing about it nowadays, except that someone out there thought something about it and has the power to abuse the law.

Regardless, a short online search would have shown you this is how YouTube works...
 
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The point is you are not legally responsible for user content you don't know about, so unless Ralle is Google and gives the power to abuse DMCAs to the users, you have to prove that he intentionally allowed for anything illegal to preside.
I have no idea how the DMCA has anything to do with age restrictions.
Maybe you meant the MPAA, which is also responsible for film ratings in the U.S. and its territories?

If one was unaware of what is happening on his / her *moderated* web site one way or another, then such a site would imho be dubiously managed / moderated.

Indeed, it would be ridiculous to even suggest a webmaster of a big site can filter and monitor everything.
Quoting someone:
"[...] Unless you think every site is/should run like YouTube which monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas (it starts with what is legal, history shows it never ends there)."
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Apply the same to any kind of online service with user content, like chats, and think logically if the owner of the service is liable for his users' content.
It greatly depends on whether the site is moderated or not.

... but this has nothing to do with the OP imho, which is about embedded links pointing to age-restricted contents on a third-party site when it is viewed on said third-party site.

Everything you wrote later comes to play with exactly what I wrote - DMCA abuses. Aka the law you are so in favor of is designed for abuse, and indeed abuse of it is directly supported by Google, by actions if not words, although we have seen enough of their words too lately, and how completely subjective and corrupt they are as a company.
I bet that you do not have a Google Account, nor do you use any of their services / products, including any of the ones provided by any of their subsidiaries. As for me, I do not have a Google Account, and I personally have nothing against Google.

YouTube is a subsidiary of Google. Even though Google bought YouTube in November 2006, YouTube is not Google.


What I have written earlier is because of the link you provided. You have invited me to see this page:
Am I legally liable for user generated content and comments?
Not only did I see it, but I have also read it.

The only answer there cites some Risk management *suggestions* by Cooley Godward’s Information Technology Group. A more complete version of this article, which I myself have also read and directly linked to in this thread (Website Provider Liability for User Content and Actions – Eric Goldman), learns me that the article is in fact about intellectual property infringement, defamation and other "Publisher/Speaker" torts, obscenity and child pornography, plus other claims. Meaning, the article has imho nothing to do with embedded links pointing to age-restricted contents on a third-party site when viewed on said third-party web site.

Also, I must point out that laws and case laws may greatly vary from country to country. The suggestions by Cooley Godward's ITG are written from an American point of view. At the time of writing, Cooley Godward LLP was a law firm which served clients in California, Colorado and Washington. Therefore, readers worldwide should imho remain cautious with such advice, and always check in which country such advice may or may not be relevant. And again, these are only general suggestions by one U.S. law firm.

Cooley Godward LLP is now known as Cooley LLP, and has additional offices outside of the U.S. (in England and in China).

A video being marked as anything on YouTube tells you nothing about it nowadays, except that someone out there thought something about it and has the power to abuse the law.

Regardless, a short online search would have shown you this is how YouTube works...
I will keep this "anything" to age restrictions, because it is mostly the subject at hand here.

Either the poster itself age-restricts the video on YouTube, or someone complains afterwards and reports it, and then YouTube reviews the video to see whether or not it is against their Rules. Appeals on their decisions can be made.

I have already linked to YouTube's policies in a previous post, therefore we know how they work.

Regardless, a short online search would have shown you this is how YouTube works...
For some reason, I have the feeling that the links I provided can help people make their own minds about whether YouTube (supposedly) monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas, or not.

Again, thanks @GhostWolf for pointing out that embed links are not age-restricted by YouTube.
 
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I do in fact have a Google account, and I do in fact use many of Google's tools and services. I have been tracking the changes they make (by actions and words) over many services (Gmail, Google, Drive, YouTube, Chrome, Android, Go!, etc.) over the past couple of years, and everything you write is idealistic but also has nothing to do with reality. It is clear you are not aware at all of what is going on politically on YouTube, or any other site owned by Google, or really any site owned by some big silicon valley pussy company that crumbles down under the pressure of ideologies.
And yes, this has nothing to do with the subject directly, but rather an example of a company TRYING to monitor and filter everything with complete and utter failure, and then giving the power to do the same to their users and...there's no point to repeat what I wrote, perhaps re-read the part that you quoted which was in brackets.

The site being moderated is exactly the point. If you SEE something illegal, then you need to remove it. If you are made AWARE of illegal content, you need to remove it. You as a service owner are not assumed to be the all seeing eye of sauron and know everything, and so, yes, report something that you deem bad, and the moderation will do what it needs to do, not sure why you're making a big deal out of very petty stuff, ironically on a site that is all about questionably legal changes to licensed games :p

By the way, for the opposite extreme, look at sites like Mega, which make it a rule to KNOW NOTHING about their user content, and indeed technically CANNOT know about it since its all encrypted, and therefore hold no legal liability over any of it, so long as they don't get reports.
 
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I do in fact have a Google account, and I do in fact use many of Google's tools and services. I have been tracking the changes they make (by actions and words) over many services (Gmail, Google, Drive, YouTube, Chrome, Android, Go!, etc.) over the past couple of years, and everything you write is idealistic but also has nothing to do with reality. It is clear you are not aware at all of what is going on politically on YouTube, or any other site owned by Google, or really any site owned by some big silicon valley pussy company that crumbles down under the pressure of ideologies. [...]
Please feel free to open a new thread and share your facts, proofs and opinions with us about YouTube, or any other site owned by Google, or any site owned by some big silicon valley company.
:wink:


Now, maybe some of you might find the contents of this site to be interesting?
Alternatives to Google Products (Complete List) | Restore Privacy

Those who want to know more about Internet-related legal subjects are kindly invited to visit the web site of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. It is not the first time that I am providing this link on THW. And for the record, I was already aware of their existence before I joined the Hive in 2016.

For the record, we already have a thread here about Net Neutrality:
Net Neutrality: What You Need to Know Now
0 replies as of this writing. Whoa! Just saying.
Nice try anyway for trying to raise awareness, @A Void.
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I am surfing the Internet since 1997. Back then, the 'bad guy' was named Microsoft. I have been using their products since 1986 with the MSX-BASIC, and I have heavily criticized them and some of their products in the 1990 until the mid-2000s.

What I am lacking is time to read everything I want to read. Nowadays, I try to focus more on Windows 10 itself, than on the products and services of other companies.

The site being moderated is exactly the point. If you SEE something illegal, then you need to remove it. If you are made AWARE of illegal content, you need to remove it. You as a service owner are not assumed to be the all seeing eye of sauron and know everything, and so, yes, report something that you deem bad, and the moderation will do what it needs to do, not sure why you're making a big deal out of very petty stuff, ironically on a site that is all about questionably legal changes to licensed games :p
If you feel that changes to licensed games can be a questionable thing, then please open a new thread about it.
:grin:


I know that at least one active Hive member has issues with watching frightening content. This is enough for me to care and remain cautious. And because I am aware of this since 2016, it is something I can not ignore and / or say that I am unaware of.

That, plus the minimum legal age for joining THW is 13 iirc. But I also know that at least one (ex?) member admitted to lying many years ago, in order to join our community. And again, it is something that I have to take into consideration when I am posting / linking to some contents.

By the way, for the opposite extreme, look at sites like Mega, which make it a rule to KNOW NOTHING about their user content, and indeed technically CANNOT know about it since its all encrypted, and therefore hold no legal liability over any of it, so long as they don't get reports.
I hope that Mega can be considered a 'clean' service, since the name of... err... Internet entrepreneur(??) Kim Dotcom is not associated with it anymore as Managing Director.


Anyway, back on the topic of age-restrictions, films and maybe censorship, I would like to take this opportunity to point out the existence of this site:
Movie-Censorship.com - News about movie censorship and comparisons of alternate versions (Movies, Comics, Series, Games and more)

While its contents are not suited for everybody, I also believe it is an invaluable source of information. A deeper reading of the many comparisons may help grasp the cultural and legal differences which exist from country to country, and also from medium to medium, when it comes to some intellectual and creative works:
- Film Genre - Comparisons on Movie-Censorship.com
- Game - Comparisons on Movie-Censorship.com
- Music Video - Comparisons on Movie-Censorship.com
- Comic - Comparisons on Movie-Censorship.com
 

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[...] the age restriction works as intended on YouTube for me.

The fact that no age restriction applies to (any?) embed links, as @GhostWolf rightfully pointed out, seems very much to be by design. Meaning it is not a flaw on THW's side, as I had initially feared. [...]

Therefore, the only restrictions that would apply on THW's side are the ones already covered by our own Site Rules.
We can't really apply restrictions as I don't think there's an easy way to be told by YT that the embed is age restricted. They could expand on the link by adding &age_restriction=1 to default to not playing things that are age restricted. Anyway, it's minor IMO and I agree it's for us to enforce.
What Ralle said.

The only relevant part [...]
Just providing you some information, based on what you had written previously.

On MyPal / New Moon 27.8.1, age-restricted YouTube videos can be viewed nonetheless, when they are embedded inside a post.

Is it a bug, or is it a feature?
It is a feature.
[...] If you want a solution, go complain to Google. Good luck.
It is for us to enforce, as Ralle said already.

Again, thanks @GhostWolf for pointing out that embed links are not age-restricted by YouTube.

Now, I am looking forward to reading more from you about "what is going on politically on YouTube ["which monitors everything and filters whatever it wants based on agendas"]", and also on "any other site owned by Google, or really any site owned by some big silicon valley pussy company that crumbles down under the pressure of ideologies", in a new thread here on THW.
 
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