Wurst Subsection

muzzel · Jan 28, 2014

For those who dont know WurstScript yet:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...e-wurstscript-wurst-jass-compiler-ide-238522/

I have quite a lot WurstSrcipt resources on my computer which i havent uploaded because the hive is completely missing support for Wurst. This means:
- No place to put resources (i assume http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/jass-resources-412/ is only for vJass as the name suggests)
- No [Wurst] tags for WurstScript syntaxhighlighting
- No moderator with enough WurstScript knowledge to moderate resources

I understand that at this point WurstScript isnt very popular on the hive so adding support for WurstScript doesnt seem urgent, but i think the situation is a dead-lock: As long as there is no support the interest in the language wont grow but as long as there arent many people using WurstScript the support wont be extended.

This is why i would like to discuss the idea of having a subforum dedicated to WurstScript resources. I suppose making it a subforum for http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/jass-resources-412/ would be a good choice. Mixing WurstScript resources with Jass resources (like putting WurstScript resources directly into the Jass resources) doesnt make sense as WurstScript and Jass/vJass resources arent usually used together in a map.

About moderation: i think for now there is no need to have a moderator for Wurst resources. Later when more people are coding for Wurst im sure PurgeandFire will be more than happy to accept that responsibility

Ralle · Jan 28, 2014

Why not?

Last time I was contacted about Wurst syntax highlighting, I linked to GeSHi. That is what I am using to make syntax highlighters. I would like one for JASS. Another option is to see what TriggerHappy has come up with as he made a better JASS highlighter and hinted about Wurst syntax.

The forum should be easy to create. Is there a Wc3 icon with a sausage on? :grin:

muzzel · Jan 28, 2014

What about this:

€: made this from the pic in my signature, i think its a lot better

(gimp .xcf)

Ralle · Jan 28, 2014

They're looking quite good for the topic at hand

Magtheridon96 · Jan 28, 2014

Hive needs a Wurst C-section ;~;

You've impregnated it with your Java-like aura ;.;

Cokemonkey11 · Jan 28, 2014

Responding to show support. This is very relevant to the jass section redesign

peq · Jan 28, 2014

For the highlighter you could just use vJass and replace the keywords. I think this should work: https://github.com/peq/GeSHi/blob/master/geshi/wurst.php

Crigges · Jan 28, 2014

+1 for this suggestion

TriggerHappy · Jan 29, 2014

I think it's a good idea to support Wurst in the JASS section but I don't think there should be a subforum. Maybe a thread prefix or something.

I've also created cjass and wurst extensions for my JASS tags but I just need to finish a couple things before I send them over to Ralle. The bbcode syntax would be

[jass=wurst][/code]
[jass=cjass][/code]

I'm debating whether or not I should keep initializer linking

muzzel · Jan 29, 2014

TriggerHappy said:
I think it's a good idea to support Wurst in the JASS section but I don't think there should be a subforum. Maybe a thread prefix or something.

Do you have a reason for this? In my eyes it just doesnt make sense to mix jass and wurst stuff.. so thats why i opened this thread.

TriggerHappy · Jan 29, 2014

muzzel said:
Do you have a reason for this? In my eyes it just doesnt make sense to mix jass and wurst stuff.. so thats why i opened this thread.

I don't think the amount of submissions it's going to get warrant its own subforum.
It would be better to contribute to the current JASS section rather than having some pseudo forum.
By this logic, shouldn't vJass have it's own sub forum?

just my opinion though.

muzzel · Jan 29, 2014

1. im not sure either
3. it does. The resources forum is mostly vJass stuff, resources in vanilla jass are rare. And still, vJAss and Jass are compatible, Wurst and (v)Jass not. (Technically yes, but its not practical)

Frotty · Jan 30, 2014

Supporting this of course.

peq · Jan 31, 2014

TriggerHappy said:
It would be better to contribute to the current JASS section rather than having some pseudo forum.
just my opinion though.

I think it is easier to start with a new forum.
If there is not enough activity it can be closed again and all posts can be moved to the Jass section.
The other way around is more work. If there are a lot of threads in the Jass forum it would take some manual work to move all the threads to a new forum.

Cokemonkey11 · Jan 31, 2014

I would also vote for a new forum, it just makes more sense. To be honest, JASS and vJass should also be separated in my opinion. If JASS only gets 3 submissions in 3 years, maybe that means we shouldn't allow plain jass submissions at all.

Nestharus · Jan 31, 2014

Cokemonkey11 said:
I would also vote for a new forum, it just makes more sense. To be honest, JASS and vJass should also be separated in my opinion. If JASS only gets 3 submissions in 3 years, maybe that means we shouldn't allow plain jass submissions at all.

We shouldn't allow Zinc submissions either then : p

looking_for_help · Jan 31, 2014

TriggerHappy said:
I'm debating whether or not I should keep initializer linking

I would like it if you keep it, however the black underlined style is already used by chars and looks too similar to it. Maybe make it consistent with the new TESH which also highlights function templates like onInit or onDestroy?

The RGB code would be [43, 145, 175].

According to Wurst: I would prefer a new subform too. vJass is very similar to Jass so I think its ok to have one forum for both, but Wurst is very different. So a new subforum would make sense IMO.

muzzel · Feb 3, 2014

So, any open points to discuss? Anything missing?

Crigges · Feb 3, 2014

Yes the wurst section is still missing.

Ralle · Feb 3, 2014

Orly? I will add this as a section soon enough.

PurgeandFire · Feb 4, 2014

Sounds good to me.

TriggerHappy · Feb 4, 2014

I sent Ralle the new wurst tags a few days ago too.

muzzel · Feb 4, 2014

TriggerHappy said:
I sent Ralle the new wurst tags a few days ago too.

Nice! Thanks a lot.

Ralle · Feb 5, 2014

Right now we have

Wurst:

 running, but I just looked at our  forum structure. I think that  [url]http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/[/url] can be used for  Wurst as well with a simple added tag, but we should get a separate  forum for wurst resources. What do you think about that?

TriggerHappy · Feb 5, 2014

Ralle said:

Right now we have

Wurst:

 running, but I just looked at our  forum structure. I think that  [url]http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/[/url] can be used for  Wurst as well with a simple added tag, but we should get a separate  forum for wurst resources. What do you think about that?[/QUOTE]

[code=wurst]
package test

@compileTime function dfsfsdf()

Not the best ..

Hopefully you implement my tags soon enough :thumbs_up:

muzzel · Feb 5, 2014

Ralle said:

Right now we have

Wurst:

 running, but I just looked at our  forum structure. I think that  [url]http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/[/url] can be used for  Wurst as well with a simple added tag, but we should get a separate  forum for wurst resources. What do you think about that?[/QUOTE]

I agree and my request was mostly about a wurst resource subsection (check my first post).
I think a lot of of the questions asked in the "Trigger & Scripts" section arent bound to a specific language anyway. For example all questions concerning jass natives can direcly be applied to wurst etc...

About the syntax highlighter, i think TriggerHappys screenshots look really nice :>

TriggerHappy · Feb 6, 2014

You can see a live demo here.

Frotty · Feb 6, 2014

TriggerHappy said:
You can see a live demo here.

Good, however "var" and "let" are both for variables and should not have different highlighting.
I already commented that on the GeSHI repo

e: And if you parse operators you might as well add "->" since it's used for closures

Crigges · Feb 7, 2014

Well i don't like the hl color.
I think R:127 G:0 B:85 looks better.

TriggerHappy · Feb 8, 2014

Frotty said:
Good, however "var" and "let" are both for variables and should not have different highlighting.
I already commented that on the GeSHI repo

e: And if you parse operators you might as well add "->" since it's used for closures

Alright I updated.

Crigges said:
Well i don't like the hl color.
I think R:127 G:0 B:85 looks better.

hl color?

Ralle · Feb 8, 2014

Oh god we have so many forums and I can imagine more appearing if new JASS related languages are released.
The spells section has everything in one, I think I will do the same with the JASS resources and just add forced thread tags

JASS:

 [vJASS] [Wurst]. I think that will be an alright solution. The only downside is that we won't be using the Wurst forum icon :).

Purge is willing to moderate the Wurst-related resources.

muzzel · Feb 8, 2014

Ralle said:
The only downside is that we won't be using the Wurst forum icon .

Took me so much time to make it

The spells section has everything in one, I think I will do the same with the JASS resources and just add forced thread tags

JASS:

 [vJASS] [Wurst]. [/quote]
Hm, what do you mean "everything in one"? There is only vJass, as Jass/ZinC spells are very rare and even compatible to the vJass universe. If ur map is written in vJass you can use Jass/vJass/ZinC spells so it makes sense to throw them all into one section. However if you are coding your map in Wurst then you can only use Wurst spells, which is the reason why i suggested a dedicated subsection for wurst resources in the first place.

If you really dont want another subsection then i think tagging would be alright, if you force it. But then some feature to filter the contents by tag would be handy.

[quote]
Purge is willing to moderate the Wurst-related resources.[/QUOTE]
Good. Thx.

Ralle · Feb 9, 2014

Whenever a forum has thread prefixes, you can filter them, but that feature is sort of hidden, so I suppose a separate forum is better.

Alright, I rearranged things now:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resources-718/

All we need is this rewritten or made more generic:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ssion-rules-updated-november-18-2012-a-40760/

I suppose good coding style is just as important in Wurst

.

peq · Feb 9, 2014

Here is a suggestion for the submission rules thread: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KfK9Ze-kk9PZN89oJRJG6fMhJRuiUojGxjIWGLU7kXA/edit?usp=sharing

Should I post it in the wurst resource section or should it be done by a mod?

Ralle · Feb 9, 2014

Those look very nice. I will post them now.

Menag · Feb 9, 2014

We love you <3

Crigges · Feb 9, 2014

TriggerHappy said:
hl color?

The highlight color for keywords not for types.

TriggerHappy · Feb 9, 2014

Jass link at the top is broken.

Also, maybe the submissions forum should just be http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resources-718/

Ralle · Feb 9, 2014

Having the root forum as the submission forum is not a good idea. I think that people will look at submissions before they see the actual resources. I don't want that.

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