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Windows XP support ending.

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Windows XP was great. My first computer had 98 and XP just looked so much cooler with it's blue task bar and its field background. It was a breath of fresh air.

These days it seems kinda clunky though. Accessing network shares is terrible because the whole explorer window freezes until it has loaded the network shares. Windows update must be done in Internet Explorer which works yes, but is not very nice. I cannot find anymore things right now. Windows XP is fine. Too bad they drop support for it. Why not drop support for Vista and 8 first and save the resources for XP?

I am happy on Windows 7. I plan to skip Windows 8. Let's hope that this new Microsoft guy follows the trend of making sure that every other version of Windows sucks less.
 
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My first was 98 too, and when i got XP i changed the theme to "classic" because i didnt like the new one :>
Skipping windows 8 is a good idea, Windows 8.1 is already much better. But i think if you still run Windows 7 its probably a good idea to wait for 8.2 / Windows 9. Microsoft noticed that their idea of making a single OS for both Desktops and Tablets doesnt meet the users approval, so the next Windows will most likely be more usable on Desktops.
 
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Windows 9 still wont have tabbed windows.

Sarcasm aside, Windows 8 is actually pretty great, once you setup it properly to use decent programs and not all those bad Metro "apps". I don't know what they did to the kernel, but the OS just works faster and better in every way, though why they thought that forcing a tablet-like interface for PC users is a good idea is beyond me.
In addition, I love the fact that Windows 8 actually goes and installs drivers properly (e.g. video drivers) alone, this is something Linux did for a very long time, and I've been waiting for it to get to Windows.
Supposedly Windows 9 will have the same behind-the-scene improvements and an interface the user could choose, but we'll see.

I still install Windows XP (black edition mind you, the best edition in existence) on old computers, but people should really get new cheap computers instead for the same reasons they should stop using IE6-8.
 
It's not a news, not even remotely. Its the community purpose to post such topic and discuss the issue just for sake of discussion.

Anyways, MS was extending the support for last 1-2 years; they wanted to limit WinXP popularity on market (get below 10%) long time ago and the answer is pretty simple: still huge amount of ppl use it even tho its almost 14 years old. They want money, plus Win8 came in..
 

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Windows 9 still wont have tabbed windows.

Sarcasm aside, Windows 8 is actually pretty great, once you setup it properly to use decent programs and not all those bad Metro "apps". I don't know what they did to the kernel, but the OS just works faster and better in every way, though why they thought that forcing a tablet-like interface for PC users is a good idea is beyond me.
In addition, I love the fact that Windows 8 actually goes and installs drivers properly (e.g. video drivers) alone, this is something Linux did for a very long time, and I've been waiting for it to get to Windows.
Supposedly Windows 9 will have the same behind-the-scene improvements and an interface the user could choose, but we'll see.

I still install Windows XP (black edition mind you, the best edition in existence) on old computers, but people should really get new cheap computers instead for the same reasons they should stop using IE6-8.
I know this gets sort of off topic, but I gotta ask. How do you make Win8 it usable? What addons do you need to install? Are you also addicted to a start menu?
 
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I know this gets sort of off topic, but I gotta ask. How do you make Win8 it usable? What addons do you need to install? Are you also addicted to a start menu?

It's mostly a matter of assigning all the default programs to sensible things, e.g. a PDF reader, image viewer, music/video player, etc., instead of those awful Metro "apps".
You then go and simply uninstall every single preset Metro "app" you can, which is nearly all of them.

At first I installed a third party Start menu, but it was just clunky and not quite as nice as the original Windows one, so instead I started using the Metro thing, and I have to admit it isn't too bad once you get used to it.
I mean, if Metro would simply be that - a start screen with application and location shortcuts, I wouldn't care at all.
The really annoying thing about Metro is that it took control of many setting menus, and the aforementioned default applications.

But hey, if you still own Windows 7, just wait for 9, the interface should [maybe?] be more welcoming.
(and maybe they wont hide the Shut Down button in arbitrary locations which makes me press Alt + F4 to shut down)
 
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its 2014 and microsoft already has windows 8, looking back at windowsxp and comparing it now to windows 7 reminds me of the stone age when computers had 512 megabytes of ram which was actually not too long ago @_@' anyway what im saying is youre torturing yourself by using xp bla bla bla buy win 7 before it is deprecated
 
Bliss ftw.

Windows 9 still wont have tabbed windows.

Sarcasm aside, Windows 8 is actually pretty great, once you setup it properly to use decent programs and not all those bad Metro "apps". I don't know what they did to the kernel, but the OS just works faster and better in every way, though why they thought that forcing a tablet-like interface for PC users is a good idea is beyond me.
In addition, I love the fact that Windows 8 actually goes and installs drivers properly (e.g. video drivers) alone, this is something Linux did for a very long time, and I've been waiting for it to get to Windows.
Supposedly Windows 9 will have the same behind-the-scene improvements and an interface the user could choose, but we'll see.

I still install Windows XP (black edition mind you, the best edition in existence) on old computers, but people should really get new cheap computers instead for the same reasons they should stop using IE6-8.
I must agree.

I like to think about windows 8 as a plain android interface. Once when you get nice launcher, cool apps and awesome widgets, BAM you have sexy phone. Same shit here.
 

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About time. Unfortunately Windows XP is in the antique now with a lot of modern things being unsupportable on it. Specifically Direct3D >9, x86-64 support and efficient multicore support.

It worked well at the time of release. However multiple service packs and changes in hardware left it performing what one can only interpret as worse than when it was released. I mean when it first came out the computers worked pretty fast with minimal latency doing most tasks but by the time it retired almost all XP machines seem to be very slow with a noticeable latency doing some things.
 
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vista contains most of the functions that made xp good with the exception of defrag perhaps. vista was a mess when it was first released but now it is the most stable. i have windows 7 on another pc and there the interface crash several times a day. windows 8,1 have a start menu and i have seen it with both the classic start menu and the windows 7ish start menu.
 

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vista was a mess when it was first released but now it is the most stable
Actually Debian Linux is the most stable. They only release new versions of it when they have 0 known bugs with the development version. This is why over 90% of internet servers are powered by Debian in some form or another. Here you are looking at the only crashes being application level crashes or caused by hardware malfunctions.

i have windows 7 on another pc and there the interface crash several times a day.
I have Windows 7 and the only time it seems to crash is when some driver messes up (which is likely third party for a USB input device) or some hardware fails. It sound more likely that you have defective hardware (the interface will crash if the graphic driver crashes which usually occurs if the graphic accelerator is defective) or incompatible drivers (which cause a kernel level crash).
 
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Actually Debian Linux is the most stable. They only release new versions of it when they have 0 known bugs with the development version. This is why over 90% of internet servers are powered by Debian in some form or another. Here you are looking at the only crashes being application level crashes or caused by hardware malfunctions.

You are talking about the debian "stable" release which is so stable because the software in its repository is up to 2 years old (apart from security updates). For servers this might be useful, but if you want to use debian as your home operating system you usually use the "testing" release which is about as stable as other operating systems.
The linux kernel is in general extremely stable (more than the windows kernel), whats causing problems are usually the user (and system-) applications. So if you use up-to-date versions of user applications you will never have a really stable system.
 

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For servers this might be useful, but if you want to use debian as your home operating system you usually use the "testing" release which is about as stable as other operating systems.
Actually you should be using the stable unless you specifically need new features (only available in test versions) or specifically want to help test for bugs (partake in the development process). Obviously even the stable will receive incremental security updates so you would take a recent version of that.
 
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No thats not correct, debian stable is pretty much stone age. Unless you are running a server you should go for testing.
Even ubuntu is based on debian testing, the non-LTS versions even on debian unstable (stability: stable > testing > unstable).

Anyway, i prefer rolling release distributions like Arch.
 
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i have experienced a lot of attacks that just crash if windows is downgraded. the hackers are becoming smarter so they are hacking the latest stuff more than the old stuff. i am using vista and i get hacked regularily but that doesnt happen when i use xp. as for that source code stuff i did send microsoft an email suggesting that they release it.
 
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First of all, you do know that same open source that MS would release, would be used to target all the PCs with microsoft's win XP. XP as obsolete as it is I cant imagine the chaos that would insue if a proficient maliciouc programmer got the hold of it.

And don't mix hacking\hackers and malware and viruses, you sound like you came out of an 80s cyberpunk show.
 

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i have contacted microsoft and suggested that they release the source code of windows xp. hope that helps.
Not possible as it uses the same NT base as Vista, 7 and 8 also use. The code in XP may be old but a lot of it is still in use.

An example is the network interface system. Although it has changed a bit, 90% of it is the same or at least based on the same code as was in XP.

at least i do something to try to help windows xp fans. it is however unlikely that it will get targeted by hackers so it should be safe.
That is because it has already been hacked to pieces. There is pretty much nothing left to hack in it as all exploits are common knowledge. Most people here know how to destroy a XP WC3 player's OS for example by using the preload bug to remove the Windows folder or something dumb by placing a startup script.

i have experienced a lot of attacks that just crash if windows is downgraded. the hackers are becoming smarter so they are hacking the latest stuff more than the old stuff. i am using vista and i get hacked regularily but that doesnt happen when i use xp.
Although it is true that XP will start to become less targeted by hackers (just like how IE is since hackers rather target Chrome and Firefox) the problem is that it has already been hacked to pieces with many exploits being common knowledge.

If you are being "hacked" regularly on Vista then you are doing something seriously wrong. Vista is even less a target than XP as even fewer people use it and it is also considerably more secure than XP so is harder to hack. It sounds to me like you are visiting dodgy sites with a dodgy browser or downloading and running dodgy files.

It is also a total fallacy that people can get hacked by just plugging their computer into the internet and having it sitting there running. This lie came about when a badly written network driver back around the times of DOS allowed kernel level control by abusing a buffer overflow to corrupt function pointers. This meant that receiving a packet was enough to compromise a computer. Obviously programmers have wised up since then (back in the early 1990s) and now actively reject packets that cannot fit into buffers.

A computer will only get "hacked" under the following situations...
1. A user runs a Trojan. Intentionally or otherwise (he was stupid and ran untrusted and malicious software).
2. A user instructs the computer to touch a Trojan that is activated via that interaction. This is usually the result of exploits inside running software that result in the Trojan executing. Most commonly seen in browsers where visiting some web sites with insecure browsers will result in a system compromise.
3. The computer is running insecure processes. These processes may automatically execute or be the target of Trojans. This literally means a computer can be hacked by being connected to the internet but due to the software it is running. Most well known were those highly destructive email viruses which destroyed the Windows folder (whipped the OS) when downloaded by old email clients.
 

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You are both too late. His computer is now a pawn in my botnet army which will soon take down facebook (I hate them so much!").

On a more serious note I have absolutely no idea what he is doing to his poor OS. He even claims to have installed 2 versions of DirectX at the same time and wonders why it is not working at times. You should only ever have the latest supported version of DirectX installed since that is fully backward compatible with previous versions.
 

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Back then a year ago, I had only DX10, then one of the games I tried to play prompted an error because it tries to look for some parts of DX9... so I then needed to install DX9 too
That is not possible. Are you sure you are not getting confused with the full DirectX installer that is used to add missing components to DirectX 10/11 needed for DirectX 9 or to fix some linking errors? Your computer should still register as having only DirectX 10 (11 now) installed when you run dxdiag.exe, just some missing or un-linked dll files now work which are only required for running legacy programs.
 

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In my favorite podcast Security Now! they talk about XP support ending. Steve Gibson who is the host of the show says that it does not matter much to security as long as you don't have Java and Flash (in the browser) and run an alternate browser. He also recommends against Microsoft Word because it often has security issues and may not be kept up to date. You must of course in all cases have a NAT router/firewall.
 
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