what's the relationshiop between ARMOR and damage?

[unifreshman]

hi all,
i did some tests , and result shows as below

1)Crusader(Ar=0) , HG normal attack cause about 210 dmg
2)Crusader(Max-geared) HG normal attack from back cause about 210 dmg
3)hunter(Ar=0) , HG normal attack cause about 210 dmg
4)hunter(Ar=29) , HG normal attack cause about 210 dmg

=>don't boss attack regarding heros armor? or they has amazing arp?
or dose dmg decrease form armor exsit only in fight with creeps?

5)Crusader(Max-geared) HG normal attack from front cause about 175 dmg
=>20% block (20% decrease dmg)



Please incorrect me ~
Creeps attack me:
Physical dmg = (original dmg - armor)*(100-shield block)%
*lowest dmg =1 , cant be <0
Magical/elemental dmg = original dmg * (100-resistenc)%

Bosses attack me:
physical dmg = original dmg*(100-shield block)%
Magical/elemental dmg = original dmg * (100-resistenc)%

 

[LoadinG..KzHk]

I'm also wondering. But I think HG has great arp.

 

[Zwiebelchen]

I can't check it now because I don't have access to the map file currently, but I'm pretty sure the hill giant does not have that much ARP. But I might be wrong. Maybe compare it with other bosses? Armor works the same for every unit in the game, so it's very unlikely there is a bug just with a single boss.

 

[unifreshman]

the airticle in 1st-floor was something wrong ,
the data below is what i tested and checked again with friends~
please help us figuring out


Crusader (armor =78, shield 20% block)
spell: emergency/taunt/heroic Presence ON /curcify/celestial zeal ON /hateful strike/shield slam/gaurdian angel/revenge

Part.A
HG (normal attack about 212)
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a)my face against to HG , i was injured 113/116//119
b)my ass against to HG , i was injured 161/159/159
c)I drop off all gear and face against to HG, i was injured 214
d)I drop off all gear and ass against to HG, i was injured 213

=>
Q1: the difference in (a)(b) is the 20% shield block,
116/159=73% ,why not (100-20%)=80% ????

Q2: (HG dmg - my armor)*(100-20)%block=> (212-78)*0.8=107 ,
why dmg is 116 in (b) ? does HG have arp about 10 ? or is there some magic/element dmg with HG's normal fist ?




Part.B
Gazrow(normal attack about 257)
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a)my face against to Gazrow , i was injured 151/154
b)my ass against to Gazrow , i was injured 204/205
c)I drop off all gear and face against to HG, i was injured 255
d)I drop off all gear and ass against to HG, i was injured 254
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=>
Q1: the difference in (a)(b) is the 20% shield block,
151/204=74% ,why not (100-20%)=80% ????

Q2: (Gazrow dmg - my armor)*(100-20)%block => (257-78)*0.8=143 ,
why dmg is 154 in (a) ? does gazrow have arp about 10 too?




Hunter(Ar=25)
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a)my face against to HG , i was injured 210
b)my ass against to HG , i was injured 210
c)I drop off all gear and face against to HG, i was injured 212
d)I drop off all gear and ass against to HG, i was injured 210
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=>
Q1: in (a)HG dmg-my armor)=212-25=197 , why i got 210 dmg?

Q2: in (c):why there is almost no difference in dmg i got with/without gear??

 

[frustatedmagician]

haha this is fun and i wanna guess..

part a
Q1 : unknown parry formula (?)
Q2 : u mean (a)? yea prolly arp.

part b
Q1 : same as part a
Q2 : same as part a

part hunter ar 25
Q1 : maybe bosses really got 10-15 arp.
Q2 : or maybe im wrong.

>_<

 

[Zwiebelchen]

The damage reduction of shield block is applied before armor rules. Which means that the equation goes as follows:

[raw damage] * 0.8 - (armor - ArP)

And yes, those bosses have a mediocre amount of armor penetration. If you consider roughly 20 ArP, the above formula returns exactly your recorded damage values plus/minus a slight variation.

 

[unifreshman]

The damage reduction of shield block is applied before armor rules. Which means that the equation goes as follows:

[raw damage] * 0.8 - (armor - ArP)

And yes, those bosses have a mediocre amount of armor penetration. If you consider roughly 20 ArP, the above formula returns exactly your recorded damage values plus/minus a slight variation.

=> thx, i got it
A) face against HG : [raw damage] * 0.8 - (armor - ArP)
b) back against HG :[raw damage] - (armor - ArP)

 

[frustatedmagician]

im still curious though about the archer

 

[Malygos10]

What's all this talk about ass and penetration?