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Discussion in 'Site Discussion' started by Levdragon, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Bernkastel

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    I do apologize if I show signs of aggression, but I do have to admit that I am tired of all these accusions that have been thrown around lately.
     
  2. Stanakin

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    I'm sorry, but I don't see anyone attacking anyone. I just see people who have different opinions and having a discussion about them and telling it like we think it is.

    You know, what forums are for.
     
  3. Levdragon

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    Nickel I am on WC3 East, I'm AgeOfPower :p. And to TDW, is there any chance that the RP section will ever be reopened? Perhaps a prominent member of the RP group there can be promoted to a moderator of that section only? I just feel it makes a lot more sense to do that then to ship our members offshore.
     
  4. Bernkastel

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    In my opinion it would be good to have it opened and have a person to oversee it.
    However, I'm not sure if the moderator should be one who takes part in the roleplays, but simply someone to take care that there won't be any hassle in there.

    But ofcourse, I am not the one to decide any of this.
     
  5. ronthewk

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    Huh, wait a second, I've heard somewhere that the Dark Wizard has an RP site, RPDom, no? Why can't he be the Roleplaying moderator? :S
     
  6. Levdragon

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    Because he has his own site to moderate me thinks? But I do think that could actually work well, TDW could become the moderator of this role playing section aswell. What if, to make it better, have 2/3 moderators at different time zones for the RP section? That would help sort out bad things, in fact, if more lesser power moderators be made for all the sections of the hive, that would sort out quite a lot of issues with trolls, spam etc.
     
  7. Asomath

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    Mini-moderators did exist at one point for the maps section (maybe others too). The position was later abolished, in favor of user reviews, which was then also removed. The mini-mod position was found abundantly useless to some extent, as basically the powers they had were to vote as to whether or not a map should be approved, but they themselves STILL required a moderator to review the reviews and then issue and approval.

    If, however, you are referring to forum moderation instead of resources. Another reason that there have been a lot of demotions and "resignations" is that that Ralle is moving towards a more concise, compacted, and generalized staff. He's removing the desire for "Specialized" positions, so instead of 3 moderators moderating specific sections, 1 moderator can cover all categories. Thus, the idea of more specialized mini-section moderators seems to contradict that purpose.

    ~Asomath
     
  8. nickel510

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    You're patrenizing me about being selfish because I'm not trying to defend some people over the internet who were unjustly banned or demoted on a forum? People who I never met, didn't know in the slightest and was never involved with. And even though I've never seen any evidence to prove that they were innocent of what Ralle accused them of doing you still think I should do something about it? And what would that accomplish anyways? Has any of the complaints, accusations and attacks against the staff and what they've been doing had any positive effect?

    And if I'm so selfish, what about modelers/skinners who took down their resources? They just made their resources totally unavialable to anyone that might have benefited from using their model/skin. Why aren't these modelers/skinners making their resources available to the people who would actually benefit from them? I'm not saying they should upload them on the Hive, but what about wc3.net or anywhere that map makers could access them? They don't care about the people who want to use their resources, they just care about how they're being treated. Awesome.

    Edit: Stanakin did uploaded his resources on the wc3.net yesterday. I thank him for that. Sorry for indicating otherwise in my post, its been a couple days since I've checked that site. However I still think my point is still valid because he seems to be the exception rather then the rule.
     
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  9. Fussiler1

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    Mhm, most people also have their resources uploaded at WC3C and TheHelper. Stanakin also uploaded them on WC3C.
     
  10. Direfury

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    You people are just too used to all the filth that's been running around freely. As far as I'm concerned, the site was better before, around the time I was still learning how to do 3D modelling.

    I'm glad to see the change, even if a few welcome, familiar faces are gone.
     
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    Because he wants to redirect traffic to his own site. There is no other reason. If there is, he hasn't provided it yet.
     
  12. "...social network"

    Yeah :D I wonder what this site would be without the little section on every profile's page called "Friends". Ideal wc3 community? Dead wc3 community?

    Post #12 lightened me a bit. Thanks to kael for posting that.

    I really don't give a s*it 'bout who left, but the resources leaving from site is sad :/ Their owners are assholes and those who keeps their resources on the forum are ideal modders :)

    I worried more about the hacking thingy I read on Ralle's long post on the... was it tinyurl redirect don't remember.
     
  13. Asomath

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    Don't think badly about them, they felt offended and acted accordingly.

    ~Asomath
     
  14. Okay, sir.
     
  15. The Dark Wizard

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    RP section is back up.
     
  16. Dogzo

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    Why cant ralle unban all the people he banned?THen evryone would be happy...
     
  17. I3lackDeath

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    Oh Dogzo... There's a reason for everything, on both sides. Some even wanted to be banned, to circumwent even visiting Hive anymore. There's no need to go back.
     
  18. Dogzo

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    well, its really sad all of this happened, i remembered the old days when i was noob at hive =/
     
  19. Jolly_jumper

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    lol Dogzo^^ You sound so cute and innocent hehe

    There was probably good reasons for banning the users that got banned, at that moment, but i think that if we want them to come back then someone who knows them and can contact them outside of hive should talk to them and try to get them to admit to, if not breaking, atleast bending the rules a bit too much and maybe doing so repeatedly over a short period of time.
    Acting like that is extremely provocative and it's often done just because of that, they want to be provocative(eventhough they will probably never admit to that).

    If they can atleast admit to themselves that they might have acted slightly out of line and maybe done so once or twice too many we would have come a long way.
    Think if someone like me had acted like they did, would that justify some kind of punishment? Most likely it would!
    And why should there be a difference between us regarding following the rules?

    You might say that since you have contributed so much to the site that you deserve some recognition for it.....eeh or shall we call it reputation?.....and deserve some slack.
    But you might also say that since you obviously have participated actively in this forum over a long period of time, much longer than i.e. me, then you should be well aware of it's rules and be alot less likely to break them....soo shouldn't it actually be a bit harsher for you? Since you obviously should know that you are doing smth wrong.

    Or maybe i'm wrong, maybe you didn't know you were doing smth wrong, why is that you think? Maybe because u've gotten so much slack previously that you thought it was okay?
    Hmmmmm.....seems like this repu...recognition kind of works against you this time....and that's unfair you think? If someone has had a job for 20 years and still doesn't know how to do it, shouldn't he be more likely to be let off than someone whos had the job for 2 months and does the same mistake(s)?

    Anyways, if you absolutely want to blame Ralle for this, it is possible, but only in the way that he's been too kind and forgiving previously, so the well-known/very active members have gotten a bit too comfortable and started feeling like they are above the rules.
    I don't mean all the rules ofcourse, but even breaking the smallest of rules gets annoying when it's done repeatedly, especially if it's done frequently over a short period of time, even more so if it's been like that for a long time! :p

    I understand their egos might be hurting and they feel mistreated because of such harsh punishments, but if they can just be a little bit humble and admit to maybe bending the rules a bit too much, a bit too many times, and maybe, just maybe, even tried to act provocative at times we have come a looooong way!
    Next thing would be to take a deep breath and admit to Ralle that you recognize what you have done wrong and that if you get a chance you wont be doing so again, and hopefully you can bite so hard down into the sour apple that you might even admit to understanding why he did what he did(banning/demoting...w/e) and back up his vision of how this site should be in the future. If you're extra nice you might even offer assisting in making these adjustments/improvements, and getting ppl to behave properly like everyone should anyways....
    If you do this i doubt Ralle will have any problems with welcoming you back and if he's still hurting, maybe u've insulted him earlier or been particulary offensive/provocative, he might give you a probationary period with absolute zero tolerance which imo would be fair after such behavior has been going on....it's tough to bow down, but remember it's his site, he is paying for it, he is the one who made it all happen in the first place and he is the only one who got the right to do exactly as he please about this site....and i sincerely doubt you've had anything against him before this insident so don't come and say you can't support this man in his vision, you have allways done so before and it's been great so far, it is what keeps the mapmakers making maps and by that keeps WC3 not only alive, but also expanding. It's not like this zero tolerance thing is gonna last forever, when this completely calms down(maybe 3-4 weeks from now), everything is probably back to how it was except there wont be more frequent rule breaking from the "super-users" if i can call them that :p

    So what do you say? Something this beneficial for a game that you love so much can't get nothing but a "HURRAAAY FOR HIVE!!!" :D

    PS: sry for making a post way too long for most ppl to bother reading, but i hope it helps those that do read it :p
     
  20. Dogzo

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    such a big wall of text, so bored to read :D...