what do you guys use

[xxx_]

when it comes to these things in spells

• Time - Every 0.05 seconds of game time

im thinking about changing my spells that knockback a lot of units to 0.07, just to have a better map performance and less lag and help people with slow computers, internet

all info is welcome, thx

 

[Rheiko]

if you're using a knockback spell
use 0.03

 

[deathismyfriend]

I use 0.03125 for all spells.
It is the best time period.

 

[chobibo]

I'm using an old computer, I also used to play with a dial-up connection, 0.03, as Rheiko suggested, is fine.

You could make the actions lighter (less special effects and others) though, that will help.

 

[Rheiko]

i'm usually use 0.03 for timed spell
but as deathismyfriend said, it's the best time period

 

[xxx_]

and people dont lag with your maps? are you sure about this, im talking about 6v6 games, where people are using custom spells like crazy, 0.03 sounds like suicide

 

[deathismyfriend]

I said 0.03125 is the best lol but 0.03 is close enough.

If it still has lag look at improving your coding. Then look at decreasing the effects and units being created. Also be careful about unit groups. Creating them a lot is costly.

Show some triggers and we can help improve them.

0.03 is fine some systems run at 0.01 to work good.

 

[Rheiko]

no, it won't lag.. it'll go smoothly
just don't forget to remove leaks

Edit:
@DIMF
it's close enough

 

[deathismyfriend]

no, it won't lag.. it'll go smoothly
just don't forget to remove leaks

Edit:
@DIMF
it's close enough

It is actually a big difference if you think about it. But it's a pain to use 0.03125 when using GUI. Because of it being a pain 0.03 is good enough.

 

[Rheiko]

but all of your spells here are using Jass?

 

[chobibo]

No, my computer didn't. I usually experience lag when playing TD's, because there are a lot of units on the map.

I played pudge wars once, and It didn't lag, there was 4 players on each team IIRC.

 

[xxx_]

alright, so you guys are pretty sure that lag is more related to effects, dummys and group creation?

 

[Xonok]

alright, so you guys are pretty sure that lag is more related to effects, dummys and group creation?

Quite definitely. There exist projectile systems that can constantly move 400 projectiles(units) at a time, while also controlling their heights to make sure they fly in arcs.
Yet, such a system doesn't lag if done well.

 

[xxx_]

what would you guys say makes a map lag the most, effects, dummys or group creation?

 

[Rheiko]

generally, too many effects will cause lag

 

[Xonok]

In general it is good to not use more of anything than you actually need. That's basically what optimization is about.

 

[deathismyfriend]

Best way is to make triggers more efficient. You can post triggers and we can help make them more efficient

 

[Rheiko]

if you need a help with posting the triggers
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/miscellaneous-tutorials-456/how-easily-post-triggers-163285/

but i guess you don't

 

[T. D. W.]

ok, so i read the whole thread, and here is my point now:
Firstly: even a 0.00 s loop trigger will not LAG! until that something called leak or function spam or high fps effects are done with it
a prove for it? download my randomizer 3.0 in my sig, it may have a loop of 0.01 and it can be set to 0.00 and it won't lag if you don't go for a number higher than 5000 calls at a time, so basically, well coded and not too effect costly triggers can run at 0.0002 s loop without a problem!
that's all, if you have any questions, ask me

 

[Wrda]

ok, so i read the whole thread, and here is my point now:
Firstly: even a 0.00 s loop trigger will not LAG! until that something called leak or function spam or high fps effects are done with it
a prove for it? download my randomizer 3.0 in my sig, it may have a loop of 0.01 and it can be set to 0.00 and it won't lag if you don't go for a number higher than 5000 calls at a time, so basically, well coded and not too effect costly triggers can run at 0.0002 s loop without a problem!
that's all, if you have any questions, ask me

0.0 loop trigger with any function will just freeze the screen like hell and crash the thread, so it's kinda stupid having 0.0002 anyway . The minium number I've tried and started to have lag like hell was 0.001. 0.01 is always good since it is well coded

 

[PurgeandFire]

what would you guys say makes a map lag the most, effects, dummys or group creation?

Most of the fps lag I experience is not from CPU issues, but rather GPU issues. Do your best to avoid too many effects/particles on screen.

 

[T. D. W.]

0.0 loop trigger with any function will just freeze the screen like hell and crash the thread, so it's kinda stupid having 0.0002 anyway . The minium number I've tried and started to have lag like hell was 0.001. 0.01 is always good since it is well coded

I tested it before the 0.00 s loop with the code you can see in the randomizer doesn't lag until it reashes 5000 excecution without stopping resulting a 0.0002 s loop without lag with well coded and not creation hungry triggers

 

[chobibo]

Most of the fps lag I experience is not from CPU issues, but rather GPU issues. Do your best to avoid too many effects/particles on screen.

This, and units too. Pathfinding seems to be an issue too for TD's that periodically order the units to move to a specific location. It would be great if you could just slide (knockback) the units instead of using wc3 engine to calculate paths, but alas, you won't be able to use maze like towers lol.

 

[CreatorD3292]

how can i set every 0.3s -> 0.03125

 

[Rheiko]

i guess you only be able to do it with Jass
i don't know

 

[T. D. W.]

Rheiko is right

 

[BPower]

You don't have to set the countdown to 0.03125 and in GUI its impossible anyway.

 

[Rheiko]

yes, because it's only available in Jass
use 0.03 instead

 

[Daffa]

You can register the even with custom script [I believe] and use that number.

 

[Rheiko]

ah yes, register it with another trigger
people usually use configuration trigger to register an event like that

 

[BPower]

why would you want to do that? 0.03125 is more accurate, but i don't think it matters, since you code in GUI.

 

[FUJI]

0.03 or 0.04 is my recommended time period. It will lag if you spawn special effects every 0.03 seconds with highly in particles effect. Reducing the effect or making an effect in knockback must be this:

• Normal Effects Creating in Knockback
  • Events
    • Time - Every 0.03 seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • -------- Creating effects in 0.03 will cause a lags so how will you reduce the effects in 0.03 ? --------
    • -------- It is simple. --------
    • -------- Create ITE Condition ( Real Comparison ) ----> Math Random Number or Math Random Percentage. --------
    • -------- But I'll use Math Random Reals because it is adjustible limit. --------
    • -------- I'll use 0.25 as a chance in creating special effects. You can use 0.50 as a chance. --------
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • (Random real number between 0.00 and 1.00) Less than or equal to 0.25
      • Then - Actions
        • Set Point = (Position of (Triggering unit))
        • Special Effect - Create a special effect at Point using Abilities\Spells\Human\ThunderClap\ThunderClapCaster.mdl
        • Special Effect - Destroy (Last created special effect)
      • Else - Actions
    • -------- Finish --------
    • -------- This method is recommendable in highly particle effects like thunder clap. --------
    • -------- This is just a suggestion and example :P. --------

 

[Wrda]

i guess you only be able to do it with Jass
i don't know

You can just do 3125/100000 (using arithmetic)

@Jad
For me, 0.0 made instant lag, 0.0002 made lag after 2 seconds. The minium number that didn't provide any lag was 0.001 so I don't see how it is possible coding with 0.0002

 

[T. D. W.]

3125/100000 will result the same if GUI :/
Did you try the 0.00 in my randomizer? If not, so there is nothing to discuss, it depends on the trigger if 0.00>0.03 loops are laggy or not
I think registering a trigger with a Custom script via another trig is the best idea for GUI triggers

 

[deathismyfriend]

It will not result in 0.03 if using the division. But the best way is set an integer to 0.03125 using custom script then register everything using that integer.

 

[mikagami]

actually it wont lag if u dont create too many dummy, gived too many skills, SFX and other long proses...


but as far as i know, 0.025-0.4 is very common choice