Warcraft III - Fall of Draenor

[takakenji]

ogres arn't mutated, they're naturally born Ogre Lords.

 

[AIagremm]

Oh, he meant that? Well actually there've been a few times when normal ogres give birth to ogre lords. However this actually works this way - devolution:
Gronn -> Ogre Lord -> Ogre

 

[Cenurick_Druidhorn]

here is the ogre lord

finished it yesterday, thought i'd show you guys

Take away the armour, weapon and darken the skin and make it look a little more gnarled and you have yourself the perfect Gronn model

 

[Cenurick_Druidhorn]

Also, since it was king Maulgar that lead the Bladespire clan from the weakest of Ogre clans to the rulers of Blade's Edge Mountains, wouldn't it make sense to make him the chief protagonist of the Ogre campaign or at least prominant in some way?

 

[takakenji]

don't double post

and i can't skin, i've gone as far as i can go with editing him.

 

[AIagremm]

Cenurick, as I said all is planned. But Maulgar wont be a protagonist...

 

[Cenurick_Druidhorn]

Appologies again for the double post, I was drunk : D
It's amazing to think it made sense at all!
And alright Alagremm, I trust yeh!
And fair enough Takakenji, perhaps you could finish the model then hand it over to a skinner?

 

[AIagremm]

We'll just have to see if zadelim is free.

Maulgar will have a very important role, but not as leader, but as a pawn.

 

[JokeMaster]

Hey ala what do you think about the ogre warrior(basic meele unit)

 

[AIagremm]

Well actually Brute will be the basic melee unit, but this is nice. Maybe with a proper skin he will the Champion hero?

 

[JokeMaster]

But how do you want your brute? I'm bored right now...

 

[AIagremm]

I think we should just give him a club. Best weapon ever.

 

[JokeMaster]

Hmm...The forsaken club?

 

[AIagremm]

Wha? Oo

 

[JokeMaster]

Those tentacle man, purple and pink.

 

[AIagremm]

They are called Faceless ones. No, I mean a normal wooden club.

 

[JokeMaster]

Looks like a shit shovel.

 

[supertoinkz]

well, just seeing it, I thought its a hero unit D:

 

[Deolrin]

He's got TURTLE SHELLS on his shoulders. :/
Also, his weapon seems very 'advance' for ogres for some reason, I don't know, it should be more 'crude'.

 

[AIagremm]

Well turtle shells will be skinned to look like salamander scales.

 

[Deolrin]

Uhh, sure. I'm just saying, he could have at least change the skin.

 

[AIagremm]

Good point. However I think there must be some small turtles in Skeletal Coast. However the giant ones were brought on Draenor by goblins.

 

[JokeMaster]

Hmm i was remaking(as always) hos models. I saw they have used shoulderplates wich have remembered me the turtles here :

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[Deolrin]

...Who arrived at Draenor AFTER the third war, yes.
JokeMaster, but they changed the skin to look like metal.

 

[AIagremm]

After the second war actually. Wow, awesome skin!

 

[JokeMaster]

Hmm...And what do you think about this hos model? Maybe we should make something similar to that?

 

[Deolrin]

My opinion: Anytime you don't rip it you should try it. Be sure that if you rip it you'll get in troubles though.

 

[AIagremm]

Nah, though it is a nice concept. Mostly I dislike HoS because they implemented weird spider elves and oh my god, I dont even want to say it, mechanical aliens, which are clearly from Warhammer or something like that.

 

[JokeMaster]

Debo when will you get it. I STOPED IT!

Edit:Ala and what d oyou think about making some sort of ogre hell boar rider? This one uses wow skins(the ogre is modified) and the weapon is used bu nangard guardians( meet them last week, when i was leveling my hunt).

Edit 2 : It is not a conflict, i just remember debode that i stopped ripping since... Hmm long time ago.

 

[AIagremm]

Hey, hey, hey, no conflicts!

 

[Michael Peppers]

To tell the truth, the Stygians aren't planned in the next build of HoS.

(About takakenji's model)
1. Change his head, it looks like a square... or just like the Mountain Giant's one.
2. Improve his wrap. Just look at where the nipples are and at where they're supposed to be. Or cover them... Also, his belly is just too big compared to the rest of the chest.

(About Jokemaster's model)
I don't see any problem with ogres using axes, though that model should be an advanced unit or a hero just because of that axe.

 

[Deolrin]

Michael Peppers is completely right, on everything he said. And this time, Alagremm, please don't ignore his post.

 

[AIagremm]

Picky, picky. Well I agree with MP, I feel the same way.
Thats why I want this modle ot be a hero.

 

[Cenurick_Druidhorn]

I think Ogres are a little too...well...hefty to have cavelry. I'd personal think Ogres be good with their cavelry being wild animals they have tamed/enslaved. The models presented look good but yes, we do have to bare in mind the Ogres somewhat reudamentry lifestyle.

 

[Tleno]

Actually ogres can ride very big animals, like Taurens are able to ride Kodos and in that upcoming WoW expansion I've seen a concept art of Worgen on some kinda like rhino thing.

 

[AIagremm]

Its rather some sort of pig.

 

[JokeMaster]

Hell-Boar...

 

[AIagremm]

In Gilneas? -.-

However it is said that Tainted Scar in Blasted Lands will become a worgen zone and there are hellboars there, so you cqan be right.

 

[Deolrin]

He meant an ogre riding a hell-boar. :/

 

[JokeMaster]

Yup...

 

[AIagremm]

Well hellboars are only found in Hellfire Peninsula after its corruption, so it kinda doesnt fit.

 

[MogulKahn]

I think it will be Half boar,half wolf, half bear!I read that somewhere!

 

[AIagremm]

Boy, Gilneans are crazy breeders.

Anyway, we should return on-topic. I want to talk about the artifact building.
As we decided there wont be artifacts for buildings, but there will be a special building where you can put... lets call them relics for now. You put relics there in order to imrove production(peons carry 5 more lumber, that sort of thing), increases the defence or strenght of units, vitality, health regeneration, creates an aura around the building and so on.

 

[The World Is Flat]

just to comment. somthing cant be made up of three halves. a half is two. it would thirds.

I love the concept. hope it will turn out well!

 

[Cenurick_Druidhorn]

---MOUNTS---
With regards to Tauren and Worgen mounts, you must bare in mind gameplay mechanics. In the origional run of WoW, Tauren didn't have mounts at all. They had a skill called 'plainsrunning' which they learnt at level 40 (www.wowwiki.com/Plainsrunning). However, since the skill was awekward to set up and at that time, Tauren were the only race without mounts (and so people obviously became pissy), they were given Kodo. In the same regard as how Draenei were given Shaman and Blood Elves were given Paladins, they were neccisary implaments to keep the paying populus happy and keep the game balanced.
I'm half and half with regards to WoW lore. I think some of Blizzard's ideas (particularly the events of the Burning Crusade) when editing or adding to Warcraft lore for WoW are amazing and really inavitive. However, some of their other ideas (such as the Scarlet Crusade and pretty much Cataclysm in it's entirity) I find grate horrificaly with me and, in some cases, just plain don't make sense.

But back on subject, as far as Warcraft III goes, Tauren don't ride mounts, nor do Ogres, and to see an Ogre on the back of a giant pig would be ridiculous to say the least and I personally wouldn't be able to take them seriously.

---ARTIFACTS---
I reckon each race should have a 'shrine' in the same way they each have Altars.

 

[AIagremm]

I agree with you. I feel the same way about Buring Crusade, some of their ideas there are just awesome! Yes, thats why I didnt want ogre riders.

Yes, but they will mostly be called Vaults.

 

[Joss]

In reference to 'relics,' as Alagremm said, your idea comes back to an Age of Empires II thing: relics are scattered across the map, and when you bring 'em back, you get a bonus, or, if you can find them all (or steal them all from your enemies), you win the melee game.

 

[Cenurick_Druidhorn]

In reference to 'relics,' as Alagremm said, your idea comes back to an Age of Empires II thing: relics are scattered across the map, and when you bring 'em back, you get a bonus, or, if you can find them all (or steal them all from your enemies), you win the melee game.

That's what I thought when I first read the idea. It was a good system though, well worth implamenting. Like the one ring in Battle For Middle Earth II, it makes gameplay interesting because it forces you to move out as soon as possible to secure the item before the enemy.

 

[AIagremm]

Actually Joss that thing was already in AoE I.
However in it they only given victory.

I dont think that relics should give victory, they will be just items which give bonuses.

 

[dexm]

Alagremm how about a Ogre raiding a clefthoof