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Users who submit extremely poor models/textures should be -rep'd

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Maybe they'll think next time when posting skins they worked on for like 5 minutes D:

Make a point system, if you get x amount of points you get y amounts of neg rep.
 
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I don't see why someone should get -rep for submitting poor quality. Rejection is fine like Ralle said.
The general feel I get from the rules, is that we should be newb friendly. Everyone start somewhere. (Notice I said newb, not noob).
 
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No, this is just being powerhungry,egotistical with a clear sense of elitism here. Dont ever do this, people need to learn and grow with advice or direction, and punishing them like this is NOT the way to go, they should always be directed in a calm and civil manner, if they spam the resource AFTER being directed then that would be spamming and that is a punishable offense.

If you are so fucking tired of it then you fucking tell them what to do and how to improve (THE ARTISTS WAY FOR ALL) instead of being lazy and boasting how better you are then them and making plots on how to treat them like filth and to kick them out of the community.

Just because you are sick of seeing beginners or first triers and you want to punish them as if they are some sort of rabid filth obviously proves you have a egocentric sense of view, i dislike that. NO ONE EVER should of ever thought of this idea. It disgraces me you ever made this thread Supa.
 

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I agree with wulf here. Even though people that show their first ever thing and even worse people who SUBMIT their first thing make me sick, I don't think this would be appropriate. As Ralle said, I think the disapproval of the resource should be enough.
 
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Giving neg rep to stuff that don't look good is plain dumb. Everybody needs to learn somewhere and you won't feel like submitting new resources if you constantly get neg repped. That will eventually lead to losing a growing number of resources and members.

Instead of giving neg rep, actually help them to increase their work so that you can enjoy their resource and you may even earn rep for helping them afterwards. If something doesn't please you, just say what you don't like and help the person improve his errors. If you punish someone for having errors, that person will never learn what he/she did wrong.

Anyway, the panda is hopeless but the raven isn't that bad. It could use a few adjustments and a few esthetic features and it would be perfectly fine.
 
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No, you're missing the point. If we punish people for doing horrible, effortless work that'll reflect onto others to not submit things that are similar. It's a waste of our time to review a texture not worth reviewing. And I don't mind losing a growing number of resources if those resources suck

If we set a standard, that will discourage users to submit a resource below the standard, which will then take away less pointless moderation of garbage
 
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No, this is just being powerhungry,egotistical with a clear sense of elitism here. Dont ever do this, people need to learn and grow with advice or direction, and punishing them like this is NOT the way to go, they should always be directed in a calm and civil manner, if they spam the resource AFTER being directed then that would be spamming and that is a punishable offense.

If you are so fucking tired of it then you fucking tell them what to do and how to improve (THE ARTISTS WAY FOR ALL) instead of being lazy and boasting how better you are then them and making plots on how to treat them like filth and to kick them out of the community.

Just because you are sick of seeing beginners or first triers and you want to punish them as if they are some sort of rabid filth obviously proves you have a egocentric sense of view, i dislike that. NO ONE EVER should of ever thought of this idea. It disgraces me you ever made this thread Supa.

Possibly the first time I have ever agreed with you, Werewulf.
 
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I didn't bother reading any of the posts, just the title, so bare with me if I start ranting on something that's already been answered.

Giving users negative rep for submitting poor quality models and textures (including extremely poor content as well) is unfair and unjust. The Hive Workshop modding community was founded for all and was originally meant to provide helpful services - whether it be answering questions, helping with a project, or assistance with a problem - and should remain user/noob friendly. Lets not turn into Wc3Campaigns please. I don't have a lot against Wc3Campaigns, just how they handle things. Becoming elitists over models, textures, and other content would be foolish and surely lose activity. Perhaps it would be for the greater good for ourselves, but lets not get selfish.

Wc3Campaigns is a high quality WarCraft III modding community, while this is... well... its a bit of everything. High quality, low quality, average quality, etc. And the best part is, we're more friendly than Wc3Campaigns when it comes to feedback, IMO. We don't put people's work down as they do; although they do provide helpful feedback along with the negativity, the negative commentary naturally triggers us to become angered anyway and usually results in people revolting or whatever. Anyway, lets not bring Wc3Campaigns into this. Its a good site with many talented and loyal members such as Vexorian and Tim. but they also have their flaws. Lets focus more on ours again:

Basically, here's what will happen if we do pass this rule:
Many new modelers or careless modelers and texture artists will submit their work, and it will not only be rejected, but they will also get negative reputation. Being given negative reputation makes a person feel lower than they - maybe - truely are. This can cause them to become angered and revolt in any of a number of ways. It'll cause modelers and artists to revolt in disappointment that they cannot recieve feedback on their work. Yes, there is a model area in the forum strictly for getting feedback and things like that, but how many really notice that? Even so, they'd still do it since more people take notice to the Models resource page than the WIP area in the forum.

Sorry for jumping everywhere from Hive, to Wc3Campaigns, back to hive, etc., I've had only 2 hours of sleep last night and I think its getting to me. However, I do not apologize for this rant. Those who have been offended from this post need to find another hobby to consider more. If not, ban me. At least it will keep me from having to type huge rants like this to save me more time to do something more meaningful.

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Werewulf made a very good post and I agree with it totally. Thumbs up to her from me, for once. :smile:

~Craka_J
 
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Alright guys I think SuPa- gets it.

And nice job Werewulf, I specially like this part.

If you are so fucking tired of it then you fucking tell them what to do and how to improve (THE ARTISTS WAY FOR ALL) instead of being lazy and boasting how better you are then them and making plots on how to treat them like filth and to kick them out of the community
 
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No, you're missing the point. If we punish people for doing horrible, effortless work that'll reflect onto others to not submit things that are similar. It's a waste of our time to review a texture not worth reviewing. And I don't mind losing a growing number of resources if those resources suck

If we set a standard, that will discourage users to submit a resource below the standard, which will then take away less pointless moderation of garbage

No Supa, you are missing the point. That's the whole process of moderation, to approve AND disapprove, whether it be crap, sucky, bad, okay, nice, good, excellent, proffesional. If you think its a waste of time then you shouldn't be a res mod at all. You cant expect to ONLY review the "good stuff", if so, then you are nothing but a lazy COUGH COUGH* that doesn't deserve to represent the staff at all.

There is all levels coming in and out and its YOUR FUCKIN JOB to review ALL levels, regardless on whether you think if fuckin craptastic and effortless. If you dont like the whole process of reviewing/ moderation then why are you wanting to encourage this bs that only proves the whole staff are a bunch of lazy power hungry elitists? Honestly, id prefer to moderate natural skill progression on all levels than be labeled a complete lazy faggot dick with the sole role of being lazy and abusive to developing new comers who only want to commit and be apart of the community. You do realize they are wanting to be apart of the community right? They are wanting to grow and develop. And you must feed the little newborn birds some nice juicy worms instead of pushing them off the nest.

What I encourage is a small whisper of advice to the ear, and if they dont follow that whisper thena small natural slap on the wrist, what you are on about is a punch on the face which was driven based on your own personal opinion that is obviously bias based on your cocky personality and attitude, which you are displaying here.

Honestly Supa, look back at your first skin, it was far worser than the first top link. It was a cnped head from Gears of War with scribbles on the body. If you were discouraged based on your stupid suggestion you wouldn't want to progress on skinning, you knock out the second stage of development which is just as vital as the first. And dont bring me the "NO I WOULDNT, I WOULD WANT SOMEONE TO NEG REPZORS ME" bs as i know you are talking shit. Although you may be right, as i know you are horribly cocky which surprises me on how you can patch up your flaws or improve in any stage of development.

Be constructive here Supa, think of the community and the moderators as a WHOLE, as one, as a family. Dont suggest stupid shit that destroys the whole family feel every social community should have as a foundation.

You know? You know what you should of suggested Hmm? Possibly Ask ralle to make the rules as a popup before clicking the submission button? Possibly get users to notice the rules, becuase THAT's the issue here, they are not understanding the rules first and they need to have that understanding encouraged and enforced. They shouldnt be treated like trolls or filth when all they want to do is add to the community and be apart of it.

Want to find a quicker way to moderate? Then as Ralle to implement a quicker system that Auto pastes after click on what guidelines one does not follow (so in which, they can understand that and improve by posting a skin that follows that guideline.)

What you are inducing is a fear to "DO NOT SUBMIT" instead of a "Submit when it follows this guideline" as yours induces the fear that they will get punished wrongfully again when they try to make and effort. Simple advice then disapproval of their resource is enough, anything more than that is extreme. People are going to get the wrong idea...and you have the wrong idea to start off with in the first place....and sacrificing one group of the community which is just as vital as the most respected people here for your benefit so you can take off some cheap load on your wagon is selfish, I hope you never get promoted here.
 
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I submitted copied and pasted icons to the icons section here [they had actually been modified a little, but that's not the point]. Werewulf rejected two of them, and sent me an angry PM. I deleted all the others. I hadn't read the rules correctly. The shame of making such a mistake means that I will never again post a resource without first reading the rules, comprehensively.
I think my punishment was enough, I learned my lesson, a user is hardly going to do the same thing twice if they get rejected first time.
 
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I submitted copied and pasted icons to the icons section here [they had actually been modified a little, but that's not the point]. Werewulf rejected two of them, and sent me an angry PM. I deleted all the others. I hadn't read the rules correctly. The shame of making such a mistake means that I will never again post a resource without first reading the rules, comprehensively.
I think my punishment was enough, I learned my lesson, a user is hardly going to do the same thing twice if they get rejected first time.

oh yeah ? don't bet on it, at map section.. some ppl keep doing the same thing again although i had reject and warn them about it.

Besides, even if you are 1st timer.. you won't had any trouble at all as long as you had read the rules.. just like i does when i 1st time post my map at here..
 
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No, this is just being powerhungry,egotistical with a clear sense of elitism here. Dont ever do this, people need to learn and grow with advice or direction, and punishing them like this is NOT the way to go, they should always be directed in a calm and civil manner, if they spam the resource AFTER being directed then that would be spamming and that is a punishable offense.

If you are so fucking tired of it then you fucking tell them what to do and how to improve (THE ARTISTS WAY FOR ALL) instead of being lazy and boasting how better you are then them and making plots on how to treat them like filth and to kick them out of the community.

Just because you are sick of seeing beginners or first triers and you want to punish them as if they are some sort of rabid filth obviously proves you have a egocentric sense of view, i dislike that. NO ONE EVER should of ever thought of this idea. It disgraces me you ever made this thread Supa.

And don't be a hypocrite, well, you're secondarily being one. As I recall when I first made a thread with my first texture, I was flamed, and you agreed with the flame being appropriate. Calm and civil manner, eh? I'm not thinking I'm better than everyone else, but of course, I have to be twisted into the bad guy. And I haven't been boasting how better I am than them, what the fuck?

And really, there is nothing to help them out on if they submit something so crappy.
 
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Your point? Being over a year ago, I don't really care, I just wanted to note your secondary hypocrisy :p
He was right, and that texture was utter shit, and I'm sure you think all textures should be treated with respect and given helpful advice, so why didn't YOU tell him that?
But the thing you don't get here is that that harsh attitude helped me improve. It took awhile, but I finally got there
And as for -rep, fine, don't give it to them, I just want to stop seeing that shit... maybe if it was moderated faster, hmmm.... But that certainly isn't my fault :p
 
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Right, so you point me out as a hypocrite over that matter trying to play that card, then you say it doesnt matter anymore? nice Supa, you are on a roll. :)

No, I was saying that I don't care about me posting that shitty texture, because it's been a year since I did that and I have improved bundles :p
Anyway, meh, I see your point in all this... BUT I still like the idea of a harsher attitude by resource moderators
 
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Along these lines here, I'm not saying I agree with the neg repping, but I think the rules need to be tighter. Some of the stuff that gets approved looks like crap. while many would disagree with me, if I'm going to download a skin, a skin thats 100% cnp and recolor is much more likely to see use than one that's a piece of shit. particularly some of the old skins/models, but Ive seen some newer ones too. I don't feel like looking for examples, so just take my word for it that there are crappy resources that get approved.

We need to raise the bar on minimum appearance quality level.

and once again, server not found error on posting. good thing I CnPed my post into notepad before hitting the post button. this is startign to get ridiculous.
 
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Well, not approving a resource should be enough, whether it's a model, skin or a map. If you disapprove, it's clear that the resource is lacking.

And here's some space for changes, if you really want them. For example - if a resource is disapproved, then it's given some time for improvement. If the creator won't do a thing, the resource is removed. Either automatically, or the moderator who didn't approve it receives a message and then decides. There should be some "robot" here, in that case, due to immense numbers of resources submitted.
 
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No, I was saying that I don't care about me posting that shitty texture, because it's been a year since I did that and I have improved bundles :p
Anyway, meh, I see your point in all this... BUT I still like the idea of a harsher attitude by resource moderators
If you like recieving harsh feedback, go to Wc3Campaigns. They do a really good job with that. Some people it actually does help, but the majority of people don't want to hear that their work which they've spent a long time working on is a piece of utter shit and 'needs to be worked on more' as the constructive part of their criticism. One thing I know is that the real world treats people like that, but why must a forum like this do such things? This is a USER-FRIENDLY forum - or at least its supposed to be - and going against that is contradicting that point.

However, I kind of like how TDR harshly told you to improve and made it apparent enough that being a noob at something won't earn you respect to be complimented. But still, it is not the Hive way.

Have I made my point yet or do I need to type an epic rant which no one will read?

~Craka_J
 
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