Upadoro TD v0.985

Razzia · Apr 5, 2009

I got a new problem.
Every time I host a game people keep getting either disconnected or it's a server split.
And this time when I played as Night Elf for the first time I got a WC3 error, forgot to write down what it said though.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 5, 2009

i think mac users have some problems. if you are a mac user and download the map first time via battle.net leave the gamelobby and join the game again. then you wont get a dc after starting.

when did the dcs and server splits occur? early or mid game or to the end?

and what where you doing during the wc3 error? never had while playing nightelfs.

Razzia · Apr 5, 2009

EpixBelongToMe said:
when did the dcs and server splits occur? early or mid game or to the end?

and what where you doing during the wc3 error? never had while playing nightelfs.

I don't know when the DC/Server Split occured because my BL doesn't tell me when it does :/ But I think it was mid game.

The WC3 error was when I was about to place flesh golem, it was the wave after the wave where you get flesh golem.
I never placed it but I accidently right clicked when holdingthe "building" place thingy.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 5, 2009

okay i tried to reproduce the error but it must be something else or a very rare error. i don't know.

and another question: did the people lag out? or did they just drop without lag screen?

i noticed that the map could lag on weak pcs very hard because of all the effects.
and memory leak is always a strange problem. maybe you played another map before and still had memory leak from that one. because i think the map is actually nearly free of memory leak if there is not somewhere a big mistake in the code.

Einwand · Apr 6, 2009

Just thought i'd mention if you play alone, and at purple the units can't leak no matter what. They just stop moving beside the pitlord looking guys.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 6, 2009

thanks for the hint. it's should be fixed now. also edited the spelling mistakes mentioned by razzia.

Razzia · Apr 7, 2009

btw.

btw, awesome map, I loved it 1 year ago and I am loving it now

thanks for being a active mapper and actually reading the replies

Razzia · Apr 7, 2009

Found some bugs and some things that didn't really work and I got some questions.
1: I made the cortes tower by combining 2 towers but what is the glowing orb thing for??
2: You said something about -save, it does not work.
3: Is really kil'jaeden supposed to follow him when they look exactly the same with the picture? Cause it kinda looks like Upadoro is gonna follow himself into the rift and kill himself

4: Can't you create a XP thing like in Kindergarten TD?? Make more races that unlocks when you get more xp and you either get xp for surviving 1 wave or perhaps the boss waves (hero waves) or maybe for surviving the whole map. But, if you make it surviving the whole map then you should give people longer time than 20 sec to save, around 1 min would be better.
5: People got "Timeout" from the game again.. I forgot to save the replay so I can't check when it was but I think it was around wave 15-30.
6: No crash for me this time so hopefully it was a one time thing.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 7, 2009

1. that's something you have to find out for yourself
2. if you win the extreme mode there should be a colored message like "the result code is: xxxxx" just write the code down and next game write "-load BonusRace" and then enter the code. actually you can only get a code when the map starts with at least 2 real player. (actually to prevent cheating a code)
3. kil'jaeden has a burning picture, the name is different and he is much smaller. i think the different is noticeable.
4. no i actually don't plan a xp system. but there could come other things to achieve
5. people who timeout have a bad connection or pc. can't fix that. i could only fix reasons for instant disconnects or server splits.
6. yeah don't know. i never had a fatal error while playing.

ArnaudB · Apr 7, 2009

Hi...
After 8 times playing in Vhard, after a few disconnection and a few time the units blocked in the prison i hoped all that was gone with the updates HOWEVER !
At the phenix level those damn units went back to the prison ARGHHHHH !!!
damn it has been five time already that unit went back (phenix problem was in 9.7b) so plz ADD A COMMAND OR A CHECK TRIGGER to allow us to send the "blocked creep" right where they should be.

Razzia · Apr 7, 2009

ArnaudB, as he said in a earlier reply it was a typo that caused that problem.
So just tell him about the problem and perhaps he can fix it if it's the same problem.

btw, its 0.97b, not 9.7b.

btw#2, I am trying to make my first map and it's just a basic one with no advanced triggers, how do I lock the teams and races? I want all of them to have human race as start race and they arent supposed to be able to change.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 8, 2009

okay we are actually investigating if the problem lies within the jasshelper. we used 0.9.E.0 and we know now that this version has some bugs with 2 dimensional arrays. so we need to check all of them again and look if this is the reason for the problems.

FrozenFenrir · Apr 8, 2009

Razzia said:
wtf... it said that there was a page 5..... had to reply to see that there wasnt one....

welcome to hive lol
well thats always like this if the last page is at its post maximum.

thats enough OFF topic.

Bloodlaus · Apr 10, 2009

I dont know if that always happens but all players got a fatal error when i upgraded the second "ulti" tower of the The Mercenaries (the far seer).

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 11, 2009

ok we found lots of memory leaks and fixed them. this should solve the dc problems.

and after some testing we have never seen the mentioned fatal errors, had no disconnects and no creeps started walking back. so it should work now.

if you still get these issues please report it here.
and we could need some information like an uploaded replay or just answer some questions: how much players? which races? which mode? which difficulty? in which wave did the problem occur?

Razzia · Apr 11, 2009

doh.

I was playing on extreme and suddenly all units returned to spawn or got stuck.
I took some screenshots.
You can see the races,waves and stuff like that in the score board.

btw, had to resize them a bit so the quality kinda got bad on some of them.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 11, 2009

ok in a few cases there are still some bugs with the creeps. but the waypoint problems seem to appear only in games with lots of players. so i would say if you don't want to risk any bugs play with 4 players max.
we are still looking for the reason of this problem and hope we can fix it soon.

FrozenFenrir · Apr 11, 2009

EpixBelongToMe said:
ok in a few cases there are still some bugs with the creeps. but the waypoint problems seem to appear only in games with lots of players. so i would say if you don't want to risk any bugs play with 4 players max.
we are still looking for the reason of this problem and hope we can fix it soon.

the waypoint prob also appears in singleplayer =(

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 12, 2009

just a little update: Nichts found the error and we have to do a lot of workarounds now. the mistake seems to be something in the coding of warcraft3 setting to many triggers and timers null can cause corrupted handle ids. if this happens and a corrupted handle id is applied to a creep they are getting stuck or turn back.

i will upload the hopefully stable version as fast as possible.

---
uploaded the new version. it should be stable again now. but if there are any new bugs i can't fix them until saturday.
i'm sorry for the retarded versions.

and @Bloodlaus: did you put a special tower into the farseer and then upgraded? that could have caused the fatal error. but it is also fixed now.

deathreaven · Apr 15, 2009

No matter what mode I play or how many people, on lvl 27 (the felstalker antimagic one) they do 2 things. they just seem to stop moving after a while. And 1/2 times one stalker returns to the spawn point. It's still not fixed in version .97d.

Edit:I noticed that the glitch only happens on wave 27, and that it's always a banished unit that runs to the starting point. It may be due to an issue with the banish spell.

Void · Apr 16, 2009

I just tested that wave 25 times and not a single felstalker stopped moving so the issue seems to be somewere else (btw the trigger seems to be fine too) - because of that it would be helpful if you could provide a little bit more information like: what races where in the game when you encounted the bug, what mode did you play (solo/team), how many players survived unitl that wave and maybe some screenshots or even better a replay

anyway thank you for the report i'm trying to figure it out but i'm currently short on information and i can't update the map till saturday (when epixbelongtome is avaible again)

edit: did you always play the same race? did it only happen to you? and what was the last tower you build before it stoped working?

ChenH · Apr 16, 2009

Normally I don't really like TDs, but this TD I love! I dislike TDs that require more mazing then placement.

ArnaudB · Apr 17, 2009

Hello, thank for the leak fix, now it work without problem. The only thing i still wonder is how to get the secret race ? i won in Extreme and got the secret code then i played in Vhard (without the code enabled) but i didn't got the race, only the book with the secrets word so how can we have the mercenary race exactly ?

Edit : Okay, got the mercenary race, very well done indeed, however i'm still unable to gain the tower bonus, someone know how to do the trick ?

Void · Apr 17, 2009

At the start of the game enter "-load bonusrace" (without the " of course) after that you are asked to provide your code via -password ###### (###### beeing your code)

edit: a little hint about the (several bonus towers): i'm somewhere on that map (Nichts) click on me and i'll provide you with a little bit of information - but thats all i'll give you now and if you know the secrets please don't spoiler them here. after all they are ment to be figured out on your own. don't ruin that please.

ArnaudB · Apr 18, 2009

Well up until now i have found 3 secrets, is there anymore ? and can we unlock a tower bonus by finishing becuase in the change log it's say that we can unlock the 5 waves bonus, the mercenary race (I have both) and a tower bonus but what exactly is need to do because what is say and what we must do seem to be different.... So what is the point ?

Razzia · Apr 18, 2009

I know how to get the tower thing, bonus race (mercenary) but no idea how to get to the bonus waves.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 18, 2009

so i'm back. i looks like the map is working again. but we will look if there is still a bug with the felhunters.

the following text contains spoilers if you wanna find the secrets for yourself!

secrets

yeah and secrets: i just wanna say there are 3 secrets than can be directly discovered. 2 towers and 1 tower improvement.

yeah mercenaries seems to be clear. win the extreme mode and get the code so you can use them next game.
once you have a code you don't need a new one for every game. it can be always used from that point.
NOTE!: mercenary code does only apply if you don't pick another race.

1 bonus tower -> win very hard with bonus waves enabled (will give you a textcode, can also only be used in the next game and will drop from the archmage boss in wave 15)

bonus waves -> win very hard or extreme and get the book with the message

NOTE!: Both text messages must be used in the first 5 minutes of the game!

Styl4 · Apr 21, 2009

Hey Epix,
I just made Upadoro Td clear on Very hard with 55waves and i didn't even got a text code or smt else, i just saw the outro cinematic where upa kills the lichs and the 3heros dunno who really was it went through the portal. I wonder is the tower on very hard with bonus or extreme with bonus? Please help me if i just don't saw the textcode that i need to read, cause of the first code i get from the item in the inventory of the avatar but the general at wave55 doesn't got inventory slots :-/
Hope u can help me.

EpixBelongToMe · Apr 22, 2009

hmmm yeah looks like a little mistake that there is no message given. i gonna fix it.

Styl4 · Apr 25, 2009

I finally managed to make it on extreme with extra waves and i need to say... mercenaries are fucking overpowered... alone the last tower (the grey paladin) made i think the 2nd money wave alone? his splash is great and his chaincast is bit too powerful 9000dmg and only 5% dmg less after every target? this is too hardcore for a ultimate tower, in addition the whole race got splash or a bouncing attack. At all it is a "bonus" race but for a bonus race it is more like a "god" race, you wrote difficult 5/5 but i would say its just -1/5. I hope u undestand what i mean and sry for my bad english, im just a lazy german^^

Grredy_CS · Apr 26, 2009

Hi I am a Korean who enjoying your map. And I have a question.
There's 10 race in a list of the race. But I can't find tenth race.
How can I get the tenth race code? (It doesn't mean Mercenaries.)
And is there any other secrets? (except you said in the above topic)

And I'm not that good at English because I'm a Koean.
I hope you understand it.

deathreaven · Apr 26, 2009

Okay, looks like my problem was more or less fixed.

EpixBelongToMe · May 2, 2009

Grredy_CS said:
Hi I am a Korean who enjoying your map. And I have a question.
There's 10 race in a list of the race. But I can't find tenth race.
How can I get the tenth race code? (It doesn't mean Mercenaries.)
And is there any other secrets? (except you said in the above topic)

And I'm not that good at English because I'm a Koean.
I hope you understand it.

there are 8 pickable races. mercenaries can be achieved and nightelfs are random only. thats means you take random and with little luck you get them.

Xandrix · May 4, 2009

Hotkeys for Mercs are messed up, as well with other races, the Ogre Mage's hotkey "Z" for Fork Lightning casts Bind Totem. Roland's "Z" hotkey does not work at all. Dimensional Shifter's keys are messed up on some units, too. The "Z" hot key does not work with some abilities. Please fix this or put Autocasting back in on Extreme. As this makes Extreme Mode WAY harder than it has to be.

EpixBelongToMe · May 7, 2009

Xandrix said:
Hotkeys for Mercs are messed up, as well with other races, the Ogre Mage's hotkey "Z" for Fork Lightning casts Bind Totem. Roland's "Z" hotkey does not work at all. Dimensional Shifter's keys are messed up on some units, too. The "Z" hot key does not work with some abilities. Please fix this or put Autocasting back in on Extreme. As this makes Extreme Mode WAY harder than it has to be.

works fine for me and no problems with the hotkeys. maybe you changed the language of your keyboard? alt+shift changes the language for example on a german keyboard z and y are swapped. and if you change to english y is z and z is y.
only the ogre mage had messed up hotkeys. i fixed it. thanks for the hint.

EPW · Jun 6, 2009

First of all, what is the point of pulse gem? I played many races and not one required the gem. Another thing, to make it more enhanced, add a Team attack mode, where the gate opens up and all monsters go through the other player's maze as well, and each team both sends and defends with a chance of dropping something. For example, Team One sends a Paladin Boss to Team Two, and the first player leaks, Teal, then Purple can kill it with a 33% chance of dropping something related to the Paladin. Just a thought, if you do, just make the monsters more buffed.

EpixBelongToMe · Jun 6, 2009

hehe many people ask me about the pulsing crystal. i can just say it's not related to any race or other special towers. it's combined with a little extra component.
and i already thought about more modes. but if i add something like that it must have a good plan and fit the map.

actually I'm working on 0.98 with a new feature and some additions but it will still take some time to balance and complete it.
but I'm also open for any ideas. So if someone has an idea like the comment above please post it. or if you found any bugs or imbalances.

EPW · Jun 6, 2009

Here is some more ideas.

Here is another idea I forgot to mention (mostly because it was late at night and I probably was high), maybe make it where special towers (such as Paladin or Evolution tower) cannot be moved in the hardest difficulty nor can be combined to make hidden (such as that

Paladin and Knight Tower

) for added difficulty, or maybe even a new difficulty altogether like a Legendary Difficulty which gives you a code for both Mercenaries and a new race, Legends.

One more thing, maybe add more rounds, and round types for even more difficulty?

Healing - Every 5 seconds, the units heal for some damage based on round and difficulty.
Divine - Every 15 seconds, the units cast divine armor, making them immune to damage.
Unyielding - The units take less damage from both tower and magic damage based on round and difficulty.
Ethereal - The units cannot be hit with physical damage, only magic damage.
Never Ending - The units have a chance to come back to life based on round and difficulty.
Myths - The units will split into weaker units upon death.

That's just some ideas for Round types.

I know some ideas are not that great, but always take into consideration for more options that players have to be challenged with. If you have any questions about triggers or such, do not be afraid to privately message me your problems or concerns (or ask any of the THW members as well :mwahaha:

).

f0rsAk3n · Jun 8, 2009

This map is just awesome.
I hope to see more versions soon!

born2rade · Jun 8, 2009

I beat this game in the hardest mode and i got the code where u can add extra rounds but there is no merc race....I don't see how to use them at all.
Can anyone help me out...?

DefH · Jun 13, 2009

Hey guys could some1 give me strategy guide for Demons please? I finished this TD with all races except Demons... Thanks!

EpixBelongToMe · Jun 13, 2009

the code for the merc race is given for beating the extreme mode. its a colored text code which is posted as a text message. but i will check the trigger if there is maybe a bug or maybe it was spammed away. i think i will need another way of posting it then.

DefH · Jun 15, 2009

lolz lolz
strategy isn't needed anymore

i finished the game with demons
BUT i found a buggy
i think i've seen it in this thread
about those crystals appearing near your maze and your nickname changing to "Lost!" althought you have 35 lives -_-

Jargalhurts · Jun 22, 2009

What's the strange phrases on the last boss' book? Is it a code or something?

Void · Jun 22, 2009

How about trying that out yourself?

Jargalhurts · Jun 22, 2009

I wrote that phrase on the chat and nothing happened.

EpixBelongToMe · Jun 28, 2009

@DefH i have never seen that before. so someone else lost and your name changed to lost! and the crystals spawned or what happend exactly?

@Jargalhurts codes can only be used after the game start for 5 minutes

Arthas9EX · Jul 22, 2009

I just wonder that why don't you continue this map with new races? I have played this map for a week to now and I just say that it's very great! I've completed all race with all difficulty levels (of course conclude Extreme Mode with no C-H-E-A-T!).

EpixBelongToMe · Jul 25, 2009

i'm still working on it but i don't have that much time actually like i had before.

but version 0.98 will still need some time. new triggers and balance aren't finished yet.
i think the new additions which will be made will bring some strategy into the game or atleast something except of just building every tower.

edit 2: 0.97e should work with 1.24. read the changelog in the hive discription.
The map is still not optimized for better loading times. but i will do it for 0.98 then.

Lobis · Aug 8, 2009

Then I try to host new version it says "The game was not found"

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