Twelve Temples

[WolfFarkas]

Reserved

This is my entry for the Hive Cup 2020: Melee Mapping Contest #6
My other map Savage coast I discarted it for the contest

 

[Folderz]

These temples have really cool details. Double book drops are interesting. Middle map shops are quite packed that might create some hot gameplay. Lets go with the feedback then!
1. only one of the two goblin labs can be used with farm
2. I would turn green camps to face player bases for more options where to start creeping
3. what should player creep if he goes tavern hero first? Looks like the tavern hero would run for green camp near home.
4. ashenvale tileset allows usage of cool creeps like dark trolls and furbolgs why not some wildkins too. Those would mix up the usual creeping. I like the merc camp with burning archer.
5. Like nudl always says: more grass feels calming to the player. I see the brown ground makes minimap very clear but maybe break up those roads little bit with more green!

 

[WolfFarkas]

These temples have really cool details. Double book drops are interesting. Middle map shops are quite packed that might create some hot gameplay. Lets go with the feedback then!
1. only one of the two goblin labs can be used with farm
2. I would turn green camps to face player bases for more options where to start creeping
3. what should player creep if he goes tavern hero first? Looks like the tavern hero would run for green camp near home.
4. ashenvale tileset allows usage of cool creeps like dark trolls and furbolgs why not some wildkins too. Those would mix up the usual creeping. I like the merc camp with burning archer.
5. Like nudl always says: more grass feels calming to the player. I see the brown ground makes minimap very clear but maybe break up those roads little bit with more green!

1) a mistake , I am very used to do such silly mistakes.

2) I like green creeps with posibility of creep hack, makes the game even more fun very early
thats why I put them exposed. Orange creep, I prefer to have a safe AOW spot.

3) I am working on to see to have 1 more green more near tavern. edit: done

4) dark troll priest level 4 is unbalanced for 1v1, sleep skill. thats why I use forest trolls instead wich are equal in stats.
Wildkins have no ranged unit, so I need to combo it with trolls or centaurs or something.
fulborgs: the ranged shaman has rejuventation wich 2 of them to have anti air makes the creep hard.
the elder shamman has ligthining shield wich is a big no to me. So thats why I dislike fulborgs they have good melee but they lack good safe balanced ranged units. and I dislike to put fulborgs with trolls,

5) I will see to add some grass on the roads

thanks a lot for the feedback, it saved me 2 mayor things

 

[mafe]

Not much too say here. From gameplay I have barely any complaints. I'm worried that players might find a way to abuse the guaranteed lightning shield drop.
For visuals:
-Maybe consider downscaling some of the trees at the north of treelines, so that they dont obstruct vision like this (examplary screenshot, other creepcamps are similarly affected):

-I imagine the large temples will divide opinion and cause some irritation as it appears as if units could walk beyond them. And they also obstruct vision to actually playble areas in some places. But if you meant to imitate the nightelf-style buildings from classic wow, I think you did very well. If you want go all out easter-egg-style, you could place some nightelf statues in the temples.
-The terrain at both labs could be made smoother.

 

[WolfFarkas]

Not much too say here. From gameplay I have barely any complaints.

1- I'm worried that players might find a way to abuse the guaranteed lightning shield drop.
For visuals:
2-Maybe consider downscaling some of the trees at the north of treelines, so that they dont obstruct vision like this (examplary screenshot, other creepcamps are similarly affected):
View attachment 363792
3-I imagine the large temples will divide opinion and cause some irritation as it appears as if units could walk beyond them.
4-And they also obstruct vision to actually playble areas in some places.

5- But if you meant to imitate the nightelf-style buildings from classic wow, I think you did very well. If you want go all out easter-egg-style, you could place some nightelf statues in the temples.
6-The terrain at both labs could be made smoother.

1- changed to random charged L2
but it seems I will change it for that replenish potion to be 100% safe
2-ok got it
3- well mm you cant walk inside them, thats no the idea.
4- I designed them using the C game camara to not obstruct the game-play, I did many beta-tests and I didnt feel visual obstruction, 8 of them are in no playable areas, so i will do a re-chek of the 4 center ones. as you point to be shure

5- yeah that, in north ashenvale, where there are naga, in wow, the zoram strand, that was not my main idea, thats why not NE statues, also I didnt want to mix green with white.

the 12 temples of saint seiya, I am surprised nobody figure out. but well lets say it is an honor to both things.

6- ok got it.


you dont have any complains with the greens?

 

[mafe]

you dont have any complains with the greens?

No, didnt notice anything extraordinary.

 

[WolfFarkas]

No, didnt notice anything extraordinary.

centaurs: searing arrows was never used in ladder before as greens, both centaurs have heavy armor.
murlocks: L8 heal is not easy. I did it ment to more increase the hack
map lacks easy safe green. L5

an user told me to, work greens more, thats why I asked.

 

[deepstrasz]

the 12 temples of saint seiya, I am surprised nobody figure out. but well lets say it is an honor to both things.

Since, the position of the very similar constructions are not placed in that way, it was a stretch unless you'd count them to get a hint.

 

[WolfFarkas]

Since, the position of the very similar constructions are not placed in that way, it was a stretch unless you'd count them to get a hint.

edit: ok

if you literally write in google, "twelve temples" you will get a lot of saint seiya stuff. it wasnt hard to figure out, and the white building design is quite evidence.

 

[deepstrasz]

if you literally write in google, "twelve temples" you will get a lot of saint seiya stuff. it wasnt hard to figure out, and the white building design is quite evidence.

I thought you got the inspiration from the WoW Naga ruins, honestly.

 

[WolfFarkas]

I thought you got the inspiration from the WoW Naga ruins, honestly.

well kinda both,
-my original idea was to make the map title Zodiacal Temples, wich is also a reference to golden sun dark dawn NDS game. and put the blababla stuff of 1 temple for each zodiacal sign
- but then I had the balance problem, I couldnt make 12 different temples, imposible all together, similar to the saint seiya saga
so I did 6 paired temples, and the idea changed to elements.
wich I did, fire, water, nature and ligth., I wanted to relate it to the old Gods of Azeroth or some sort of very ancient times of wow lore. I mean I felt that praise the elements like some sort of very primitive culture.

and well it is a forest so, yeah kinda remains zoram strand in ashenvale, a wow player would relate it with that. wich I like to be more wide, like yeah it could be a wow area, but I dont want to feel the narrow of wow area, because when you do a wow area you have to stick to it, and I like my freedom of that this can be somewhere in azeroth...,

 

[mafe]

Approved based on the results of the recent melee mapping contest: Hive Cup 2020: Melee Mapping Contest #6 - Results

I dont feel like I have anthing else to add this time that I havent written earlier

 

[Nightmare2077]

Wolf updated the map a bit as per my request, as I plan to use it in an upcoming cup that I'll sponsor. Stay tuned

 

[WolfFarkas]

Wolf updated the map a bit as per my request, as I plan to use it in an upcoming cup that I'll sponsor. Stay tuned

I saw the videos, I am sorry for screwing the creep in the first expo, I shouldnt have raised the level from 14 to 16 as I did in the update, if you are still in contact with Hawk and the others, tell them I am sorry that such broken map was used in a money prize tournament.

 

[hivemessenger]

Review:
Gameplay: The map seems balanced to me due to symmetry. You have added goblin merchant, mercenary camps and laboratory to give freedom to players, by allowing them to decide between buying a zeplin and hiring a powerful mercenary. This makes it a good melee map.
Map layout: Maps by @WolfFarkas are always beautiful. So obviously this map has excellent terrain.
Conclusion: 5 out of 5 stars

 

[WolfFarkas]

Review:
Map layout: Maps by @WolfFarkas are always beautiful. So obviously this map has excellent terrain.
Conclusion: 5 out of 5 stars

Not always I manage to do a beutiful terrain, but thanks a lot for praise!!.