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discussion is encouraged, but no bashing genres.
comment your votes, hope i haven't forgotten anything
comment your votes, hope i haven't forgotten anything
Wait where's pop? Isn't that also a genre?
Wait where's pop? Isn't that also a genre?
edit: Unless you listed that as 'commercial', because that's rather weird, makes me feel like a gay jersey shore fan when you mentioned MTV in the same sentence.
Genre has no impact on the quality of music.
Why?
Good musicians don't set out to produce music of x genre; rather, they make their music, and the genre is applied to the finished product later by critics. If you do it the other way around, chances are genre will just be a limitation, and your music will be unoriginal and generic.
So "what's the best genre" is a question with no valid answers.
There's no Pop on the list. Either way, I take a little of everything: R&B, Pop-Rock, sometimes the styles of Within Temptation and Nightwish (gothic rock/metal or symphonic rock/metal).
The number of times formulas can be subverted is interminable. The number of times formulas have been subverted and tailored their own genre is accountable.It tendentially obeys formulas, and when it doesn't it subverts them, but it's always conscious of those, there is no way of making music without taking genre in consideration.
What if you incorporate chance into the process? There are several aleatoric forms that only interrelate at the level of their disarrangement.there is no way of making music without taking genre in consideration.
It was a style before it was a genre.Hubcool said:they're looking for a specific style, also known as genres.
In some cases it's just a collective for odd ones out.Genre is just another name to put similarities in music together.
If grenres don't have parameters, what's their purpose?It doesn't mean they're limited though; they can do whatever with genre
There's that again. In all my years of composing, I still haven't been able to fully reason how that is measurable. It's made out to be objective, or at least intersubjective. Over the years we all weave our impressions into fabric, but there appears to be more to it than that.the quality of music.
It was a style before it was a genre.
In some cases it's just a collective for odd ones out.
If grenres don't have parameters, what's their purpose?
There's that again. In all my years of composing, I still haven't been able to fully reason how that is measurable. It's made out to be objective, or at least intersubjective. Over the years we all weave our impressions into fabric, but there appears to be more to it than that.
I move that "The Quality of Music; An Intersubjective Notion?" be the official sub-topic tenet of this thread.
What if you incorporate chance into the process? There are several aleatoric forms that only interrelate at the level of their disarrangement.
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House and Trance For The Win!
Tecktonik and Electro are Epic too!
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I prefer this one:Come on guys, I can't be the only one who voted for contemporary classical
Anyone heard of this guy?
I prefer this one:
I DON'T agree with Void, in the way that bands do know what they wish to sound like, weither they name it in their heads or not, they're looking for a specific style, also known as genres. Genre is just another name to put similarities in music together. It doesn't mean they're limited though; they can do whatever with genre, they can fuse them (fusion), bastardize them (metalcore), etc. I know I couldn't be less clear, but I just think that bands do know what they're playing and what they want to play.
I agree about the part that there is no 'right' answer to this and that genres don't directly affect the quality of music.
No, that's not what genre is. A genre is a relatively loose categorization of necessarily multiple pieces of music/art/etc with similar attributes. It's a construct whose definition is arbitrary. Because it relies on many samples simply to exist, it is thus necessarily applied to music after its composition.
So you can make music with influence from a genre, but you can't create music directly within a genre without it sounding contrived and unoriginal. You'll notice that just like in any other categorization of anything, there is no one defining model for any genre, because all music is different.
Really though, what I want to stress is the arbitrariness of any genre. Go on /mu/ and you'll see people arguing for hours about what genre a particular band is, and they never really come up with a perfect answer, just because it's impossible to do so.
Also, there is good metalcore out there. At the Drive-In is post-hardcore, but the bands they influenced are mostly metalcore/screamo and some of them are not bad at all.
there was a stated vote for punk in the first page, but i guess the guy doesn't care much for polls... fight the system![EDIT]It's weird that no one voted for punk or hip hop, no love for urban music anymore?
where is the prog rock, as Jethro Tull, King Crimson, etc?
where is the glam rock, David Bowie, Roxy Music, etc?
and the grunge genre? Alice in Chains, Nirvana etc
and the psychedelic? as pink floyd first albums, some of The Doors, and stuff
also... this poll should be multiple choice. I like contemporary classical, jazz, blues, folk, world music and these above... shouldn't I be able to check all of them?
You put up only old and new metal genres, that's already a weird way to split it...
Just put metal overall. The point is, you forgot both symphotic and gothic metal.
My favroite genres are symphotic and gothic metal and rock comes as third.
unless you know something i don't, it's symphonic not symphotic. those are old metal, i guess.
i separated "old" and "new" metal because there are often conflicts between those who listen to either. that's how i made the groups, most people i know listen to several similar genres of music, i chose the most common combinations. for example, i grouped guitar blues with rock, and old blues with jazz, because usually people who enjoy rock and roll, billy and hard rock also enjoy guitar blues, while not caring much for trumpet jazz, and metal-heads usually are very choosy with the genres they want to be grouped with, but you're generally safe if you keep "oldschool" separated from nu-metal and the "cores"