The Wailing Dungeon Beta 1.1

[Moderator]

18:42, 25th Nov 2012
Orcnet: BETA version is not allowed, see my comment

 

[UndeadImmortal]

You can use this templates or this Map Description Generator to make your description look more beautiful...

 

[Faestus]

Done.

Also made a small update.

 

[Legendary]

Okay I will test it now

 

[Faestus]

New fix that changes difficulty.

Changes included in the Changelog.

 

[TwoVenomous]

Suggested Players: 1 or 4

why not 1 - 4? it's hard to find 4 people sometimes, ability to play with two and three players would be cool

 

[DestinyEX]

When I tried this map on bnet..it wouldn't let us start since it didn't have a 2nd team.

Since I can't tell if it was solely on my end...thought I would point that out and if anybody else was having the same problem.

 

[TwoVenomous]

When I tried this map on bnet..it wouldn't let us start since it didn't have a 2nd team.

Since I can't tell if it was solely on my end...thought I would point that out and if anybody else was having the same problem.

no, anybody would also have this kind of problem if they host it on bnet, because
1. this is still in a beta phase.
2. the force for creeps hadn't been set.

 

[UndeadImmortal]

I think beta test maps are only posts in the pastebin or in the Map Development :3

 

[Faestus]

I made a new update that should now support 1 up to 4 players.

Also creep power has been decreased.

EDIT: Made a small fix that made Locust Veil work properly.

Also should solve Destiny's problem.

 

[Faestus]

Made another small fix.

 

[Radicool]

Firstly, I like you map, it has potential to be great. I'll give you a few pointers to work on.

• 
  A lot of tooltips are inconsistant. All stats which change on an ability should be listed on all levels, to show the strengthing of that ability. For example, the bow chicks arrows has "15 sec cooldown" on level 4, but the cooldown is not mentioned on any other levels. It looks like a mistake, or im not sure what the cooldowns were on the other levels. There are other abilities, thats just one.

• 
  At the beginning, I chose my hero, then selected the "repick ability" to see what each hero has. The second time I "repicked", it generated more wisps than 4. Each time I "repicked", it kept making more and more wisps. Fix that, heres a screeny:
  
  Screenshot

  

• 
  The ability that converts the bow chick into a darkness form is strange. Its odd and I dont like it. It seems more useless than helpful (my opinion). Converting out of the player's control, and losing all hp is a bit silly, then going invunerable and restoring all hp. Seems unbalanced, etc. You could make it an active which drains health much slower lasting X seconds, and increasing attack speed for the duration.

• 
  A storyline would be nice. It seems like your just in a dungeon, the reason why is not stated, the objective not clear, etc. Were they imprissoned by somebody and their objective is to slay that person to escape the dungeon? You could also add some cinematics (like at the start, after some important bosses and at the end, etc) to enhance the story. Good cinematics are a lot of work, maybe work on other things, then you can worry about cinematics.

• 
  This map makes me think that it would be very cool if the players could interact with the environment in some way. Some dungeons have mazes etc which is interesting, but some have no mechanics. Maybe 1 dungeon could have a portal which teleports you from one side to the other. Maybe 1 dungeon has TNT which you can use to kill off creeps (but careful you dont hurt yourself), and maybe one could have rocks dropping down from the ceiling which you need to dodge (give the players an indicator to warn of a falling rock, allowing them to dodge). This point would be hard to do, but it would be a very interesting and fun addition.

• 
  You have made a changelog, but you can also add a version number to your map (even if its a beta) so people know if their's is outdated or not. Since there is no version number, I'm not sure if you have updated your map since I downloaded mine.

 

[Faestus]

A lot of tooltips are inconsistant. All stats which change on an ability should be listed on all levels, to show the strengthing of that ability. For example, the bow chicks arrows has "15 sec cooldown" on level 4, but the cooldown is not mentioned on any other levels. It looks like a mistake, or im not sure what the cooldowns were on the other levels. There are other abilities, thats just one.

Well I'll reconsider updating the tooltips.. Thank you.

At the beginning, I chose my hero, then selected the "repick ability" to see what each hero has. The second time I "repicked", it generated more wisps than 4. Each time I "repicked", it kept making more and more wisps.

Yes. That issue should be fixed in version 1.1. Sorry for the inconvenience.

The ability that converts the bow chick into a darkness form is strange. Its odd and I dont like it. It seems more useless than helpful (my opinion). Converting out of the player's control, and losing all hp is a bit silly, then going invunerable and restoring all hp. Seems unbalanced, etc. You could make it an active which drains health much slower lasting X seconds, and increasing attack speed for the duration.

Well I wanted her to be forced to switch from one form to another (Kinda like the Gremlin) so that she wouldn't have to stay in one form most of the time. I will change it if I get a better idea.

A storyline would be nice. It seems like your just in a dungeon, the reason why is not stated, the objective not clear, etc. Were they imprissoned by somebody and their objective is to slay that person to escape the dungeon? You could also add some cinematics (like at the start, after some important bosses and at the end, etc) to enhance the story. Good cinematics are a lot of work, maybe work on other things, then you can worry about cinematics.

I haven't thought of a Storyline yet, but I might come to one on the way.

This map makes me think that it would be very cool if the players could interact with the environment in some way. Some dungeons have mazes etc which is interesting, but some have no mechanics. Maybe 1 dungeon could have a portal which teleports you from one side to the other. Maybe 1 dungeon has TNT which you can use to kill off creeps (but careful you dont hurt yourself), and maybe one could have rocks dropping down from the ceiling which you need to dodge (give the players an indicator to warn of a falling rock, allowing them to dodge). This point would be hard to do, but it would be a very interesting and fun addition.

Well I will add more interesting chambers in the future. Thank you for your ideas.

You have made a changelog, but you can also add a version number to your map (even if its a beta) so people know if their's is outdated or not. Since there is no version number, I'm not sure if you have updated your map since I downloaded mine.

I wil ladd versions from now on. Thank your for your review.

I made a new version that adds a difficulty setting and 2 new heroes. Tell me if you get any bugs.

 

[Orcnet]

all is going through but my apologize you shouldn't upload this map in this section since it is still in Beta test which is not yet suitable for other players to either play it on LAN or BNET or any console that can play wc3, only maps that are fully complete and compatible with the resource rules, I suggest you to re-upload them and make a thread here in the [url="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/map-development-202/]Map Development[/url] thread for more users to help you out than here, I'll be watching it then

 

[Faestus]

There is a thread there with this map already.

Is it Ok if I keep this map uploaded here till it's ready, then reupload the working version?

Edit: It now has a Computer player and should work properly on Bnet btw.

 

[Orcnet]

just update this by uploading the new map that is working

 

[Faestus]

Well this map should be working...

The balance is just messed up.

 

[ablackerby]

I am trying to help beta test this but it won't display the original post only #2+ can anyone upload a copy I can download?

 

[Faestus]

I moved most of the stuff to this thread:http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ngeon-4p-random-generated-dungeon-map-225788/