The Archeron ORPG 1.00c

[Moderator]

10:47, 7th Sep 2011
Vengeancekael:
Problems fixed.
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A really badly executed ORPG, it lacks unique quests and the gameplay could use some attention as well.
However the environment is beautiful.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Ah gonna check this out soon.

 

[Palooo3]

Hope to get some feedback
Map has been updated, check changelog

 

[Kanadaj]

player 1 can't pick thief Oo
No tooltips can be seen at the wizard spells
Wizards mana isn't enough to take more than 1 lvl 1 mob down...

 

[creyzi4zb12]

Why is this pending?

 

[Palooo3]

player 1 can't pick thief Oo
No tooltips can be seen at the wizard spells
Wizards mana isn't enough to take more than 1 lvl 1 mob down...

Yes descriptions (tooltips) are not finished.
Hmm you are true i will decercase mana costs, and increase mana regen by inteligence

Why is this pending?

Well my map is not in map section, i dont know why

Edit:
Oh lol i had filter on Approved maps, and mine is still pending lol

 

[Vengeancekael]

Review:

Gameplay:

The gameplay really isn't special, you pick a class and go around killing stuff. The quests get repetitive after 2 minutes, you just have to kill 10-15 wolves and then 15 gnolls and so on and on.
The classes are the most boring part of the map, I don't think any of them have any customs spells whatsoever, Water Bolts is just the rocket ability with a different missile effect.
The map also lacks an intro, kinda weird to start off the map just like that.
The shaman's voice just really doesn't fit his model.
The classes are very underpowered, the shaman can't even kill a wolf on his own. An auto balance system would be nice, which would detect how many players were playing and then weaken the enemy units.
Also why does the Wizard only have 4 spells? And why are the spells in a spellbook?

Terrain:

The only good part of the map, the terrain. The environment looks really neat, there are different areas with completely different climates, a desert, a forest, ...
A lot of custom models have also been used to make things really look attracting.

Other:

The most unpolished map:

*Barely any tooltips whatsoever
*Player 1 cannot pick Thief (not close enough)
*The wisp does not get removed from the game, so that the player can pick 5 heroes
*Wrong tooltips for items (Totem of Haste has a different tooltip when on the ground)
*Add a color to the game message 'Gnolls/wolves/.. slain'
*Can't finish quest 'Kill 15 gnolls'
*Remove the receive quest skill from a quest giver once you've gottten the quest

It's 'chosen' not 'choosen'.
Add some movement to the village and city, people going around, ...

Overall:

A really badly made RPG, the terrain is trying to hide the terrible gameplay, but fails at it.

Rating: 1/5

Please do not upload an unfinished map.

 

[Orcnet]

The Archeron ORPG (No Version/s Stated)

Rating System:

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

Gameplay-[5/5]
Note: The playability and how it is entertaining in play.

Terrain-[5/5]
Note: View of the map's terrain.

Managing-[5/5]
Note: About the outcome of the game's mechanics.

Overview:

Gameplay

Game is quite interesting, although their are a lot of objects or things that must be fix since the game felt low to me even though I'm a huge fan of rpgs. I couldn't understand the spell book because it doesn't show any directions or descriptions on how to use it [mostly all of it], creep difficulty is way too high [for creeping, not the boss raid] no shops to buy for potions, scrolls, and such, and I die for 30 secs? I suggest by reducing it to 20. in other words, the game is on still on progress. and I notice something about the creeps, are wolves an undead race?



Terrain

Terrain almost hit an astounding imagery, but I just have to say that it still lacks quality and also monotone in such a way the mountains look like a hill, and buildings look like it was hit by a storm and threw all the roofs away and make everyone suffer the cold night, anyways its a good idea to show the interiors of each houses. but the terrain also needs loving.


Managing

Overall, the game is under development as I looked and observed how you guys had made the map, and I appreciate it because its on-going and truly a teamwork, but as you guys manage to add more stuff in it, I notice their are bugs or leaks?[not looking in triggers] but on how the outcome of the game ended up, its just saddening. you can use all of the heroes without limits?, creep respawns are somehow bugged, and grammars were mispelled. hope you guys can check them all up.



Total Score:

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	7/15	73%	D

Status: Pending [conditioned for updates and fixes]

pm me for comments after reading this review

 

[Kanadaj]

Which moderator deleted it? Oo

 

[Palooo3]

It is not deleted, just rejected.
I am working on suggested updates, and than it will get approved (hope so)

EDIT:
-Kobas- rejected it

 

[Vengeancekael]

Rating changed from 1/5 to 2/5 (acceptable), however you still need to reduce the amount of leaks in your triggers for your map to get approved.
The 2/5 is mostly because of the nice terrain, gameplay-wise no points whatsoever:
Suggestions:

*Add custom spells (either make them yourself or use ones from the spells section)
*Add more interesting quests (catch the target/create an item using alchemy/...)

-> Memory leaks tutorial

 

[Kanadaj]

I think you should call it open alpha instead of beta

 

[Amargaard]

Interesting, I'll check it out later

 

[Palooo3]

Thank you, well why open Alpha?.
It is Beta, and it will be Beta since i fix all current buggs, make all spells and classes fully working, Instance Caverns of Crystals will be avaliable in Hard mode, add quest and shops to Archeron Keep. When this will be fixed, we will continue terrain to further parts, open The Castle of Black Templar, PvP arena, Thorns minigame and level cap will be 30.

 

[Eldubs]

Il take a look later.

Eldubs

 

[Orcnet]

Thank you, well why open Alpha?.
It is Beta, and it will be Beta since i fix all current buggs, make all spells and classes fully working, Instance Caverns of Crystals will be avaliable in Hard mode, add quest and shops to Archeron Keep. When this will be fixed, we will continue terrain to further parts, open The Castle of Black Templar, PvP arena, Thorns minigame and level cap will be 30.

it should be Alpha, because alpha maps are those that can now be uploaded here in the map resources, but if you call it beta, it will violate the rules and thus get rejected again
so uh, just make it alpha and then make updates for it instead.

 

[Palooo3]

Many buggs, fixes, rebalances, improvments, details have been improved last week, I am about to release 1.00D
so far, here is changelog:

- Wizard has new spell
- Most items have been rebalanced
- Item costs rebalanced
- Intro cinematic
- Single player detection ---> saving disabled in single player
- Added 1 quest
- Massage when you pick "Not for your class" item
- Massage when you "allready have item of that type"
- Not for your class now work perfectly
- Some sounds has been added
- Map filesize has been decercased a little, still working on more
- 4 New items to buy in Forestleaf village, so village would not look that empty
- Some "life" has been added to forestwood
- Floating text size has been decercased by 15%
- Tons of small bugg fixes
- Major bugg fix: Bleed
- More descriptions
- Upgraded F9 log
- Thread description updated
- Shaman has now got passive ability
- XP differences between levels has been changed

All this changes will make map better quallity, and im sure also approveable

 

[Vengeancekael]

Approved with a 2/5 rating. I hope you'll be improving your map!

 

[Kl3sk]

This shouldn't have gotten approved. Even with the 2/5 rating. This should go further into development before being posted as a somewhat finished / polished map. I'm considering this an Alpha, which, by the Hive's standards is unacceptable. Also, I deeply question the map's originality, seeing how almost everything reminds me of a poorly executed Gaia's Retaliation ORPG.

This is only my opinion. If some of you agree or not, I'd love to hear your side of the story.

 

[jxtranghero]

Like it!

 

[Palooo3]

Approved with a 2/5 rating. I hope you'll be improving your map!

Thank you for your approve,

We are currently working on updated version, with many gameplay changes , mostly as you pointed, wizard do not have triggered ability, it has been changed, also intro cinematic and many other.

 

[newbchu]

Hope this map is going to be epic

 

[creyzi4zb12]

I found it to be a good map, and votes for approval...please update

5/5 for me...for the epicness of it.

 

[Palooo3]

I might update but since there is no interest in anything i make, i think i will leave Hive.

 

[Kanadaj]

Well you can't blame the community's active members, more the others, since because of them Hive is this deserted ^^

 

[GoGoTauren]

I have a lot to say, if you guys are still working on this.

Firstly, this map has a lot of potential. There's loads of beautiful terrain, quests, 5 heroes etc. And in my experience that's the hard part. All you probably need to do is tweak the combat, redesign some of the heroes and quests and fix up a few minor things and this map will be great.

Secondly, a lot of the people on hive are assholes (mods: if you're one of them, go ahead and ban me). Behind the big post counts, flawless grammar and fancy review schemes they'll hate on your map before they even play it properly. One guy didn't even seem to read my description, and yeah... but this isnt about me.

The point im making is if you want to make a map don't worry about what they think. You'll also have to accept that warcraft 3 doesn't have many players anymore... my maps are a hit at LAN parties though Anyway, i'll list a few things you might consider changing for better gameplay.


- Give enemies much less life, at least at the start
- For proof of concept, try playing with neutral hostile or whatever handicap set to 30%
- Fix tooltips for quests, abilities and items. Otherwise people won't even bother playing.
- Give out less quests at the start, its a tad discouraging to pick up 4 or 5 straight away
- Make hero abilities pack more of a punch, and clean up the tooltips for them so that players can see them having an effect
- Remove spellbooks and add QWER hotkeys and I think you'll find people like your map just for that
- Add some camera controls like locked, unlocked, and varying distances (I find 2000 to be good)

 

[xXxMKDxXx]

Nice Map! Keep Working on this project! It's a pretty good but with unbalanced gameplay! Hope Fixes are comming soon

 

[Palooo3]

I have started other project since I have loosed motivation for this but I'm really thinking to improve this so people could have atleast a little nice gameplay.
Or maybe I should delete this from Maps section beacuse this lack alot ;(

 

[InfernalTater]

This shouldn't have gotten approved. Even with the 2/5 rating. This should go further into development before being posted as a somewhat finished / polished map. I'm considering this an Alpha, which, by the Hive's standards is unacceptable. Also, I deeply question the map's originality, seeing how almost everything reminds me of a poorly executed Gaia's Retaliation ORPG.

This is only my opinion. If some of you agree or not, I'd love to hear your side of the story.

It's approvable. But it needs a lot of work. It does indeed seem like a less-good version of Gaias Retaliation, but it is still decent compared to other RPGs.

You can consider this a quick-finished version of Gaias Retaliation, which sacrificed some quality in order to actually get the game completed.

It's hard to appreciate this map, though, because it is so similar to Gaias Retliation that I am forced to compare it to it while I play, causing me to enjoy it less, as it is very hard to live up to a game like Gaias Retaliation.

It's not very original, the terrain is the only good aspect of it at the moment. I'll have to generously give this a 3/5.

This could be significantly improved; the hardest part of making the game is already out of the way. All you need to do is add a bit more fun into the gameplay by possibly improving the spells and giving the player more options in building their character.

 

[xXxMKDxXx]

Allright after some playing [LvL7]Wizzard....
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If you think/want to update:
+Add Fountain[HP & MP] Restore
+Item Shops
+Be Sure that only 1 hero per player is ingame, cause last game played,.. everyone could pick more than 1 hero
+Repair/Fix/Update.. Tooltips.
+Remove that Evade things from mobs... [Invul. if not attacked] - cause spells miss/not hit them
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Will edit if find anything more
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About Gaias... Who cares about that map, this one is someone's hardworking project!

Keep it up
[4/5]
EDIT: Make map Protected in future

 

[sengjung123]

map was ok, stat-based spells would be great, terrain was quite nice, and yeah, you still can pick all 5 heroes in the game due to wisp not being removed.

alot of missing tooltips, shops were not organised. i didnt know they were shops still i clicked on the guy. Items in shops would be best if the items were labelled properly, eg: a label in front of the name of the item telling players what item type is it. it really sucks when you save up and you buy the wrong item due to items not properly labelled.
good suggestions of marking the item would be:
[item type](item name)
small description.
stats.
item placement(hat, body, legs, offhand etc.)

i believe that would be more organised.
Also, put a set colour for item types, and the colour for rarity of item on the item name. it would really help this way.

ps: priest, seriously? all healing spells. at least put one holy offensive on him. it really sucks to call him to just whack using normal wands.
gnoll quest triggers wilkin box quest together, and gnoll quest is completed at another group in the desert.
perfect shell quest needs 5 shells, for some reason.


edit: tested your save load function, and my priest items do not save.
Need to introduce cooldown for your scorpid king, hes too overpowered, dealing aoe spells every second. With poison.

moar edits: wondered what priest's first skill does. can't seem to tell.
Also, why is the minos hand or something(blue item from diff dungeon) for thief, has the same stats as the thief's beginning item? makes no sense.

even moar edits: priest buys book from shop, cannot equip.
priest gets gnoll book from gnoll boss, can equip.
seriously?

hard mode dungeon spawns some archer with 1-1 attack, invul etc. couldnt do the damm dungeon after 2 runs, due to it blocking the damm path.

last note: you can equip loads of weapons. wow. my character has 6 hands.
you want me to upload the replay?
replay here.

 

[xXxMKDxXx]

#bump?
Update?
Fix?

 

[deepstrasz]

This map really needs descriptions for almost everything. Quests need to be near precise regarding the target's location.

 

[Shadowman5573]

You cannot even pickup items and hunter is not a class. this map needs to be finished.