Team Buddies v1.1

[Moderator]

17:42, 13th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[Hamsamwich]

THis looks like a truly wonderful game, and i will pleased to play this! I might even host this with my bot (Randomhost) on east/west

 

[duke-zip]

def gonna try this, take a look at that description!!

 

[Newominus]

You spelt "infantry" as "infuntry" and "strength" as "strenght". Anyway... The description is too big, and you should put how to play at the beginning. Not SMACK in the middle of your description.

 

[SOangeldust]

definatly looks entertaining! im givin it a go!

 

[Lag_Reviews]

Awesome map here's a review P:

Well I was recently saw this map and as it looked good, so I decided to give it a review.

So here is the review, Hope you enjoy and use my ideas and criticism to help improve your map.

The Review!

*NOTE I PLAYED A VARIETY OF MAP TYPES and ARENAS*

Things I liked:

• Epic Terrain
• Epic preview picture
• Custom gameplay

PRO's:

• No Bugs
• No Glitches
• All of the game worked

CON's:

• When you win a game and it auto restarts, the the toys that you can make are still out of place
• Auto pick up crate and take it to your platform, does not work properly as 99% of the time they just stand there and don't auto pick up the crates
• The tutorial is long/slow and boring (Read suggestion: Tutorials further down)
• Once you have got that buddy a gun he is stuck with it forever (Should be able to switch at any time as long as you make a new gun)

Ammo Problem:

• When you have run out/have no ammo you have to go get more, but when you go to get more ammo you realize you can't kill doodads to get ammo because you have no ammo to attack the doodads with and you try to make a new weapon and switch but you can't switch weapons to get ammo either, so basically you have to make a new buddy and just let the one that cant attack either sit their or sacrifice it, is this intentional?
  Also only buddies that can attack ground (not all buddies can attack the ground) can get ammo out of doodads when they have no ammo, also means units that can't attack the ground, can't kill doodads to get ammo which means no ammo for the buddies that can't attack the ground making the buddies that can't attack ground useless.

Things you can do to improve the description:

• Include the credits in the description and you could also include a Youtube video to spice up the map before people download it.
• Add hidden tags to your description to make it look a bit less like one big page of boring text
• Add a change-log and/or an upcoming updates log so we know what you are working on fixing/adding

Things you could add to the map to improve it:

• A loading screen would make the map better (Black screen with a bit of text doesn't look too good in my opinion)

Suggestions

Suggestion Tutorial:

Okay the tutorial is good and all as it gets the message across, but I found it at times that I had finished reading the text and was sitting there bored waiting for it to get on to the next part.

How this could be fixed:
Maybe you could add a narrator/voice to the guy that is reading out the tutorial to make it a bit more interesting.
Also you need to re-work the times out as atm it is a bit too slow and most people would just either not watch the tutorial or not even bother to play your map cuz of it.

Suggestion Player kills:

I was thinking our main building that we have to protect or our stacking pad will become unactived is a bit dull, boring and doesn't get much attention. So I was thinking why not spice it up?

I was thinking that there could be a counter to the top right of the screen which says player kills and every time you kill a normal player you get 1 point and every time you kill a super player you get 2 points.

What can these points do?

Well I was thinking you could then go and use your player kill points to buy upgrades/repair your main building that you have to protect.

What upgrades could we buy?

You could buy health regenerations, turrets, abilities and much more.

You could buy:

Regens:
1/4 regeneration - would take 10 seconds to regen 1/4 of the buildings health - Costs 2 player kills
1/2 regeneration - would take 30 seconds to regen 1/2 of the buildings health - Costs 5 player kills
Full regeneration - would take 1minute to regen all of the buildings heath - Costs 8 player kills

*Note if your main building is attacked while regenerating health, it will automatically stop regenerating and you will have to re-buy the regen again.

Abilities:
Attack - Allows the main building to attack - Costs 10 player kills
Heal all - gives the building a passive heal ability which can heal friendly units that stand near it over time - uses 5 mana a second - Costs 4 player kills
Mana - Would heal 50 building mana at a time - Costs 1 player kill

*Note attack only needs to be brought once and the BASE now has 100 mana*

Base Bullets:
Piercing - 10 bullets - 5 damage each, does not lock on - Costs 2 player kills
Rocket - 10 bullets - 10 damage each, locks on - costs player kills

*Once ammo runs out you have to buy more*

As this is only a suggestion/idea you can feel free to change the cost of stuff/player kill points as it is only a guide to give you an idea of the sorts of things/prices.

Overall, the map is a fun and enjoyable map which requires lots of strategy to win. The map also has endless possibilities and can give you hours of endless fun! Everything except a few minor cons and one unintentional ammo problem, seemed to be working in the map and there were no major glitches/bugs or errors. I would suggest this map to friends and anyone who likes a strategic type of melee map with a twist.

I Vote for Approval and would give it a 4/5 It doesn't get 5 as there are a few minor cons and one unintentional ammo problem which still need to be fixed.

All in all hope you liked my review as much as I enjoyed playing your map,
Lag_Reviews P:

PS: I'd love to here your feedback on my suggestions and can't wait to see what you can bring to this map and many others!

 

[Killer2c]

Lag_Reviews, actually bugs are the major problem in this map, everything else (except tutorial, thats super slow) is great.

About the bugs:
-Sometimes when you are going to make a box, the box doesn't appear, and that makes the stacking pad unavailable to use. (Frequent and Major bug)
-When a player is defeated and each time a unit that belongs to another player gets killed it says "Player is defeated"
-Once I used my crates to create a buddy box and when I opened it nothing spawned.
-(not sure about this*) In a map, one of the players couldn't return crates to his base, it didn't let him.
*when i saw him, he was returning a Supercrate, so I don't know if he had 1 already or not.


You should also change the speed in tutorial, its too slow.
Add info about each world ingame, you can't know what there is on each unless you come here.

 

[Lag_Reviews]

Hmm idk?

Yo, I never noticed this many bugs when I played it for hours on end testing it in single player.

Replies to Killer2c's Bugs/Glitches/Errors

-Sometimes when you are going to make a box, the box doesn't appear, and that makes the stacking pad unavailable to use. (Frequent and Major bug)

What do you mean by this, do you mean the boxes that auto spawn around the map and in your base. Or do you mean the boxes that you make that have buddies, weapons, tanks and ammo in them?

I made heaps of crates/boxes and they seemed to all spawn and work perfectly?

Also boxes mightn't spawn if your base building has been destroyed, as when your base building is destroyed your stacking pad becomes unactivated therefore you wouldn't be able to spawn crates on it.

-When a player is defeated and each time a unit that belongs to another player gets killed it says "Player is defeated"

Lol it is supposed to say that when you kill all of one enemies teams buddies as that means you have defeated that team and or won the game, because you have destroyed all that enemies teams buddies. (Do you mean say player normal has 2 buddies and I kill one of the 2 does it say that player normal has been defeated even though there is still one buddy left? OR do you mean it says Player normal has been defeated when you have killed all of player normals buddies?)

-Once I used my crates to create a buddy box and when I opened it nothing spawned.

I created many buddy's and all of them seemed to spawn when I kicked open the crate, I'd have no idea why it didn't work for you.

-(not sure about this*) In a map, one of the players couldn't return crates to his base, it didn't let him.

*when i saw him, he was returning a Supercrate, so I don't know if he had 1 already or not.

Most likely he didn't realize that he already had max crates or somehow got the majorly buggy auto return crates to work and just used another buddy to do something else.

Also another cause to this issue could be that they didn't realize that there base building had infact been destroyed thus making there stacking pad inactive and thus they would not be able to put crates into it.

You should also change the speed in tutorial, its too slow.
Add info about each world ingame, you can't know what there is on each unless you come here.

I also stated that the speed of the tutorial should be fixed. As it is too slow, I'd agree with you on that.

Also I didn't notice the need for the info on each world ingame as it is pretty self explanitory. It tells you to pick a weapon set, then a game mode which is for example Free for all(FFA) or 2v2 etc and then it tells you to pick the arena which every arena is different and doesn't really need explaining as you can just test the mall out yourself.

Sorry if my review is not entirely accurate, but too me it is as accurate as what I saw and tested. Thus to me everything I tested and looked at seemed to work most of the time, maybe you didn't download the latest version or it was a faulty download?

The only major thing I had an issue with was the auto crate return function and the function where when you have run out of ammo you can't get more unless you had previously destroyed doodads round the map as you can't switch weapons or attack the doodads to get more.

Hope this helped,
Lag_Reviews!

PS: Make sure you have the latest version of this map: Version 1.0a


EDIT: KILLER2C You have to re-read this post and edit your post below accordingly as half the quotes you made have been edited and changed in my post.

 

[Killer2c]

What do you mean by this, do you mean the boxes that auto spawn around the map and in your base. Or do you mean the boxes that you make that have buddies, weapons, tanks and ammo in them?

I made heaps of crates/boxes and they seemed to all spawn and work perfectly?

Also boxes mightn't spawn if your base building has been destroyed, as when your base building is destroyed your stacking pad becomes unactivated therefore you wouldn't be able to spawn crates on it.

I mean when you buy a crate, it doesn't appear sometimes, and that makes the pad neutral until you open the crate, but since theres no crate you can't open it, thus no pad.

Base was on full hp, and also the "crate" is there.

Lol it is supposed to say that when you kill all of one enemies teams buddies as that means you have defeated that team and or won the game, because you have destroyed all that enemies teams buddies. (Do you mean say player normal has 2 buddies and I kill one of the 2 does it say that player normal has been defeated even though there is still one buddy left? OR do you mean it says Player normal has been defeated when you have killed all of player normals buddies?)

No,no,no, lets start again.
Player 1 kills all the units from Player 2.
Player 2 is defeated and shows message.
After that, another player kills a unit from another player that isn't player 2.When it kills a unit the message appears: "Player 2 is defeated". And so on...

I think its clear enough...

I created many buddy's and all of them seemed to spawn when I kicked open the crate, I'd have no idea why it didn't work for you.

Well, as I said, it happened once.

Most likely he didn't realize that he already had max crates or somehow got the majorly buggy auto return crates to work and just used another buddy to do something else.

Thats why I'm not sure, but he said he had 0 crates.


Anyways, ill try to get screenshots of the bugs.

Also, when a player is afk and doesn't choose a color you can't start. Do something for that, maybe auto kick after X time if you don't pick color.

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PS: 1.0a is the only version so yes, I have it xD


Post Edited.

 

[Palid]

The tutorial's lenght... Come on! After seventh minute we got bored and restarted the WC3. Please fix it somehow. You can make time to read shorter than it is now, IDK, maybe cut it in half?
Maybe make tutorial with mini-games? Do that, and you'll see how it works!

 

[X-OOM]

Thanks for the comments. I will defenitly cut the Tutorial in half or something.
I will try to find that Bugs you have said and fixx them.

@ Lag_Reviews: As much as i like that Idea with that Kills. I tryed to make this Map as close to the original Game. And if you ever played that Game you know this Function is not in there. We speaking here of Team Buddies for Playstation 1. This Game realy exists (search in Youtube or something), this is a remake of the Game and trying to be as close it could be.

@ Lag_Reviews: What you mean by that? [When you win a game and it auto restarts, the the toys that you can make are still out of place] Do you mean the Order of Icons inside the Stacking Pad? If yes i don't know why this happens :/

@ Lag_Reviews: [Once you have got that buddy a gun he is stuck with it forever (Should be able to switch at any time as long as you make a new gun]. I can't make it other system because the System by know uses over 400 own Units for that.

@ All: You don't need to kill World Objects for Ammo/Health. Just use you "Destroy Crate" spell on Red or Super Crates (that ones that drop and you pick up to build Stuff). If you use that there will be Ammo or Health spawned at its Position. And this Crates will drop constantly so you can't run out of Ammo so fast... Its just like in the real Game^^.

Edit: @Killer2c: Do you rembember on which Weaponset that happened? (Sometimes when you are going to make a box, the box doesn't appear, and that makes the stacking pad unavailable to use. (Frequent and Major bug). I think thats an Weaponset Problem it would help me to fixx it if you remember.

 

[Lag_Reviews]

Thanks for responding!

Reply to X-OOM's post

@ Lag_Reviews: As much as i like that Idea with that Kills. I tryed to make this Map as close to the original Game. And if you ever played that Game you know this Function is not in there. We speaking here of Team Buddies for Playstation 1. This Game realy exists (search in Youtube or something), this is a remake of the Game and trying to be as close it could be.

I can understand that you are trying to make the game as close to the original game as possible. I was just trying chuck ideas your way to try to make the game better. It doesn't bother me if you don't use them

@ Lag_Reviews: What you mean by that? [When you win a game and it auto restarts, the the toys that you can make are still out of place] Do you mean the Order of Icons inside the Stacking Pad? If yes i don't know why this happens :/

Yeah I mean the order of the icons P: Maybe you could ask for help on the Hive forums, as this is a pretty big bug as it means if you want to restart the game you have to quit and re-load instead of auto-restarting.

@ Lag_Reviews: [Once you have got that buddy a gun he is stuck with it forever (Should be able to switch at any time as long as you make a new gun]. I can't make it other system because the System by know uses over 400 own Units for that.

Aww, I can understand it would be too much effort, but I still recon we should be able to switch guns whenever we want. Although I do understand, so I guess its alright the way it is.

@ All: You don't need to kill World Objects for Ammo/Health. Just use you "Destroy Crate" spell on Red or Super Crates (that ones that drop and you pick up to build Stuff). If you use that there will be Ammo or Health spawned at its Position. And this Crates will drop constantly so you can't run out of Ammo so fast... Its just like in the real Game^^.

Oh I never noticed that as I used a destroy on a red crate and got nothing once and didn't realize why we had the ability to destroy crates. But it seems to be working now, thank-you for clarifying this.

All in all its a very good map indeed just need to fix the tutorial speed and a few known bugs(Which isn't many) and I'm sure this map will become famous,
Lag_Reviews!

PS: Good luck with the map and I can not wait to see what you have instore for us in the future.

 

[X-OOM]

Thanks Lag_Reviews for the positive feedback. You can check out my other Maps if you want. Just search for Maps with my Name in it.

I have released an update, hopefully it fixes all that Bugs, if not say it to me.
Changelog v1.0b:
-Fixed StartBuddy from Weaponset "Bikes"
-Fixed Base Colors to be shown as the Color you picked
-Fixed Message that showed which Player was defeated after each Kill
-Fixed Buddy automatic Crate pickup Spell. Note: The Buddies will get constantly Crates until you turn it off. They wont stand still on your Stacking Pad instead they dop the Crate near your Stacking Pad if you have full Crates of that Type.
-Fixed Bugs in some Weaponsets that spawn no Crates on your Stacking Pad, and the Bug that changes your Stacking Pad to neutral and you can't do anything after that.
-Tutorial is cut in more then half of the Time now
-Removed "Attack ground" attack from all Weapons

-Added Loading Screen Picture
-Added Kick Command : Player 1 must type in -Kick 2-8
-Added: Each Time you gain a new Weapon, the Buddy will get +100 Ammo

 

[Warhunter]

You spelt "infantry" as "infuntry" and "strength" as "strenght". Anyway... The description is too big, and you should put how to play at the beginning. Not SMACK in the middle of your description.

A description does NOT come too long! He can build up the description as he wants.
And it fits better to have some sort of a story at beginning. Not how to play.
Stop being lazy and start reading.

 

[Lag_Reviews]

Good job fixing the errors!

I see you have taking in what we have said and decided to fix up some of the errors if not all of the major one.

I like how you have fixed them up 99% as I could not find any major problems with the things you have fixed.

Minor review of the new version/fixes

Things I liked:

• loved the loading screen image
• I like how you have cut the tutorial down but it is still pretty long & boring in my opinion. (Maybe if you add a narrator/voice to the tutorial it would be much more enjoyable)
• The fixing of the color issues.
• I like how you removed "Attack ground" attack from all weapons and I did not find any weapons you forgot to remove it from.
• The kick command was brilliant, as it worked and told everyone who had been kicked.
• I like how we can now switch weapons at any time, and get more ammo be remaking a weapon.

Some minor errors:

• Some of the text is cut off of the loading screen where it says "*Watch the tutorial to get a basic overview of the" (Is it suposed to stop at the word "THE"?)
• In game when you have the word "Infantry" you spell it "Infuntry" (For example Super "Infuntry" Buddy shouldn't it be "Infantry"?)
• When you go to buy something it says "we need more GOLD" and "we need more LUMBER" shouldn't it say "we need more RED CRATES" and "we need more SUPER CRATES"?
• When you go into Team Commands/Special Skills [Z] and select Enter Vehicle Order [E] and try to use it on an Airborne Vehicle such as a PLANE it says "Must target a ground unit"

Question?

• Are Super and Super Super Buddies supposed to have unlimited ammo, be able to attack the ground, not be able to pick up powerups and not be able to enter vehicles? (I have never played the game on ps1 so I don't know)

Overall glad to see you fixed most of the major glitches/bugs/errors and I can't wait to see what you bring to this map in the future,
Lag_Reviews!

PS: Keep up the good work and why hasn't this map been APPROVED yet?

 

[Luffy_299]

I think it is good game.I will try it.

 

[J_Low]

Its a very fun game. I just hosted it on garena and it was fun.

4/5 vote for approval

 

[X-OOM]

"Things I liked:"
[*]loved the loading screen image
[*]I like how you have cut the tutorial down but it is still pretty long & boring in my opinion. (Maybe if you add a narrator/voice to the tutorial it would be much more enjoyable)
[*]The fixing of the color issues.
[*]I like how you removed "Attack ground" attack from all weapons and I did not find any weapons you forgot to remove it from.
[*]The kick command was brilliant, as it worked and told everyone who had been kicked.
[*]I like how we can now switch weapons at any time, and get more ammo be remaking a weapon.
[Thanks ]

"Some minor errors:"
[*]Some of the text is cut off of the loading screen where it says "*Watch the tutorial to get a basic overview of the" (Is it suposed to stop at the word "THE"?)
[I take a look at this!]

[*]In game when you have the word "Infantry" you spell it "Infuntry" (For example Super "Infuntry" Buddy shouldn't it be "Infantry"?)
[Its Game Language, it is spelled like in the real Game. Other Example is "supazooka" instead of "superzooka" or "super bazooka".]

[*]When you go to buy something it says "we need more GOLD" and "we need more LUMBER" shouldn't it say "we need more RED CRATES" and "we need more SUPER CRATES"?
[I can fix the Messages but i can't record own Voice for that, my English is not good and it would sounds bad then ]

[*]When you go into Team Commands/Special Skills [Z] and select Enter Vehicle Order [E] and try to use it on an Airborne Vehicle such as a PLANE it says "Must target a ground unit"
[I take a look on that]


"Question?"
[*]Are Super and Super Super Buddies supposed to have unlimited ammo, be able to attack the ground, not be able to pick up powerups and not be able to enter vehicles? (I have never played the game on ps1 so I don't know)
[Yes they are its exactly like in the real Game, but i will removed the "Attack Ground" and add instantly Bullets instead.]


PS: Keep up the good work and why hasn't this map been APPROVED yet?[/QUOTE]
[I dont know, maybe the Moderators to test this are addicted on this map and can't stop playing it xD, or they think its big rubbish.

Unfortunately i found a Bug myself that i think i can't fix.
Lets say you Start the Game with 7 Players.
Player 5 leaves while the Game is loaded or while the Tutorial is running.
The Map was supposed to play on a 8 Player Map because of 7 Players.
But Player 5 has leaved. So the Game sees there is only 6 Players left and it will change the Map to 6 Player Maps. So Player 7 starts with nothing and can't do anything because every Player has his own Startrect. And there is no Player 8 or 7 on the 6 Player maps so he even can't take his Position. I don't know how to fix this, its realy sad. Any helpfull Ideas would be appreciated.

Edit: A Question to all:
Should i take out the Music it would save 2.3 MegaBytes and make the Map much smaller. Its only 5 Files. Say if you want.
For the Tutorial i can make it so:
Each Player can select a Unit in the Tutorial Arena which is named [Step1-10], each Step stands for a Tutorial Step example Powerups.
If the Unit is selected it places the Camera to that Region and the Message from the Narrator will be show. But you will still have full User Control and no Cinematic Mode. Is that a good Idea?

Edit2: New Version released v1.0c Changelog:
-Fixed Messages if you have no "Red or Super Crates" instead of showing "No Gold/Lumber" to "No Crates"
-Removed Tutorial Video and created new System. Now all Things are shown as "Flooting Textes" and you can show all Steps any time with full User Control. If you have forgotton something just scroll to the "Tutorial Area" and watch for it.
-Removed Music, this makes the Map much smaller
-Fixed Gatling Tank Bullets to 6 Bullets like Gatling Gun instead of 4 Bullets
-Removed "Ground attack" from Super and Super Super Buddies
-Fixed "Order Enter Vehicle Spell" to target Air Vehicles too
-Further fixed the "Automatic Pickup spell" for unselected Buddies. Now if they have a Crate and are unselected they will periodicaly move to your Stacking Pad.
-Added Function: If you leave your Stacking Pad and have a Crate in your Hands it will removed now too. Before it was only if you enter the Stacking Pad so you had to get out and get in.
-Fixed :"Cyborg Buddies get damage if they step on Lava"
-Fixed :"Super and Super Super Buddie get damage if they fly over Lava"
-Adjusted some Special Skills from Buddie-Types (except Supers and Medics) to the normal Spell Interface. This is now doable because "Attack Ground" Spell Button is removed forever and wont be added by any Weapon (so there is no Spell Icon override).
-Bullets from Gatling Tank/Tower/Gun are now like Bullets from "Gatling Cannon" and will be hit the target always. This will keep the 2 Weapons balanced for eachother.
-Super and Super Super Buddies now can picl Up Health,Ammo and the effect of carrying a Crate will be shown. They even can pick up created Weapons but it will have no effect on them and is wastage.
-Medic "Healing Spell" is now automatically activated

 

[Snacker]

Tested in single mode.

You should make loading screen darker.

 

[valkemiere]

why dont use original team buddies model. it easy model i think

 

[Cweener]

Approve.
3/5

 

[X-OOM]

Her is some Multiplayer Gameplay with a friend (long time ago in older version) but you can get an overview of the map. A lot has changed since then though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2QFBLBlV9k&list=PLE837A24A59723F34&index=1&feature=plpp_video

 

[Tank-Commander]

Oh an update? great! Was quite the fan of this when it came out originally

 

[Traner]

Cool map, when game is full. 4/5